According to Lighthouse Trails and Understanding The Times, Roger Oakland's program has been removed from KWAV radio.
This commentary did him in.
Oakland's statement:
Following the publication of the commentary "Ichabod" posted at our web site Thursday, November 15, our "Understand The Times" radio program that has been broadcast Monday through Friday on KWVE 107.9 for the past fifteen years was removed from the air. The final program KWVE was Friday, November 16, 2007.
For those who have been regular listeners, you will be able to continue to hear Understand The Times radio programs by going to www.understandthetimes.org and finding the "Webcasts" button on the home page. The link to the radio transcripts is under that button.
New Understand The Times programs are posted weekly. You will be also able to download the transcripts of each program or sign up for Understand The Times podcasts.
Further, when this announcement was made by the KWVE manager, Roger was in Rome speaking at a conference on Biblical Creation. Evidence was presented to support the Genesis record and the theory of evolution was exposed for what it is - great deception. Many people's lives were impacted. God's Word was proclaimed with the anointing of the Holy Spirit. New doors are opening. God is on the throne. Jesus is coming soon!
Please pray for Roger, his family and the ministry of Understand The Times, at this time. Prayers are being answered and new doors for ministry are being opened, as other doors are closing.
Now gird up your loins, and arise and speak to them all which I command you, "Do not be dismayed before them, lest I dismay you before them. Now behold I have made you today as a fortified city, and as a pillar of iron and as walls of bronze against the whole land, to the kings and to the people of the land. And they will fight against you but they will not overcome you, for I am with you to deliver you," declares the LORD. Jeremiah 1:17-19
Sincerely In Christ,
Roger Oakland
Understand The Times, International
oh my!!!!!!!!!!!!
the Ichabod comment came on the heels of him being thrown out (according to Roger) of the Logos building. I sure would like to hear Costa Mesa’s version…………………….
what has plagued Roger is that he divides so sharply………… wonder where he learned that???…………. hmmm………..
I think I’m gonna find a safe place to weather the storm.
I have no inside info on this, but it sure seems strange to get canned for towing the company line.
In my world, that being outside of SoCal, there is a distinction between CCCM and the CC fellowship of churches. So when stuff like this comes up, my brain automatically goes into a mode of either thinking about CCCM, or the fellowship. I’m saying that because many people seem to lump them together, when that isn’t always the right way to look at an issue.
In this particular situation, I can’t say a word about what is happening at CCCM. I can imagine, I can speculate, because I’ve worked in that environment and that was 12 years ago. Being part of the fellowship side of things I can say that I have witnessed and been a part of what Roger is talking about. In fact I just tossed up a blog over on SMP that was inspired by Brother Oden which dealt with a similar concept. Hope I don’t get kicked out too!
I don’t get it.
Did Roger get the boot because he inferred that megachurches are by nature carnal and like a corporation?
He spoke in such generalities in his commentary — I guess I don’t understand why he got axed.
Oh, and Lighthouse Trails — what a bunch of rocket scientists and wizards!
Scintillating headlines —
“Hillary Clinton To Attend Saddleback Church”
Wow!
What’s next? I waited with baited, er, bated, er, whatever…breath
“AntiChrist to Attend Saddleback Church”
No, wait — that’s Hillary!
Way to take on the important issues, Lighthouse!
ROTFLOL.
The funny thing about that commentary is that I could have written it for the most part.
We do know he ticked someone off
Lutheran, I take it that you weren’t edified and informed by the house where the lights are on but nobody’s home ?
Michael,
Which house? I think there’s more than one!
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Long live free speech. Long live the internet.
I’m with Lutheran on this. I don’t understand why he got the axe.
The things he said seemed pretty innocuous, and they certainly weren’t original–many people have those same thoughts about megachurches. And he was very general in his statements–it’s not like he singled out any *specific* megachurches.
Yeah, Roger must’ve ticked off the powers that B.
Or maybe the Powers that C.
Or, more correctly the Powers that See.
They’re everywhere!
Jessica,
They knew who he was talking about …
Do you think Roger was talking about Chuck Smith, Jon Courson, Skip Heitzig, Greg Laurie, et all???
I’ll add my voice to the ones who are saying that it doesn’t make sense why he was dropped from the airwaves for the Ichabod post.
Let’s remember, though, that the man did not get fired, since he was not an employee of CC. His program was simply dropped.
He was referring to one or all of the above.
Still, the reactions from kicking him out of the office space, then the airwaves, sounds like he ticked off CCCM.
Roger made the mistake of mentioning “Jesus People Movement” before describing the group of churches that have had their candlestick removed. And he made a second mistake for mentioning Eli and his sons. That’s a sensitive one - for a well-known evangelist who is a friend of Roger’s preached a message called “The Sons of Eli” at a Calvary Chapel several years ago and identified Eli as Chuck Smith and the sons of Eli as his sons. That got that evangelist and his comrades in hot water with Chuck Smith.
I myself would not have dared put so many of those clues into such an inflamatory statement as Ichobod. That is close to saying that Ichobod is on the doors of all Calvary Chapels. Roger might not have meant that, but I think that is how it was received.
I don’t agree that Roger is broad-sweeping in his stand on the Emergent, but I do think this was far-sweeping because not all CC churches are the same and I don’t think God sees them all as one single unit to be accepted or spewed out.
[Please keep me anonymous, Michael}
I love how an Amazon link appears on subjects & names in a post. I’m going to string a whole sentence together some time that is all links! LOL!
There has to be more to the story…obviously Pastor Chuck was not happy with Roger and or Understand the Times.
Because not only was his program dropped from KWAVE (so was Chuck Missler’s years ago) but when he got back from the conference in Rome his office was emptied out and his stuff was out in the hall of the Logos building.
You don’t do that because you need the office space…
I would really like to interact with Oakland…I can’t find an email address for him,though.
He’s welcome to come on and converse with all of us…I think we’d behave.
Would it be fair to say that this is probably not the first time Oakland ticked Costa Mesa off?
The “Eli” reference went right over my head…that explains everything.
Case closed..that was asking to be taken out.
Wow…
Sparky,
He committed the unforgivable sin…that reference to Eli guaranteed him a spot in the parking lot.
The other interesting aspect of Roger Oakland’s statement is his quotation of Jeremiah 1:17-19
He’s obviously connecting what CCCM did to him on the same level of persecution Jeremiah the Prophet experienced from the powers that be during his day. Scary thought!
Wow…
I didn’t know CC had a trademark to the “Jesus People Movement” name.
Kind of a secret sauce/secret language going on here, I guess.
Thank God I’m not part of it anymore!!
Michael,
I can give you Roger’s e-mail if you wish.
Yeah, I’m so rusty I can’t even spell my own moniker properly.
AB,
My thought is to bring him here to interact with his critics and supporters in real time.
I’ve been critical as have a number of the pastors, but I’d like a chance to hear his heart.
Do you think he’d do it?
Dyselsik,
It’s KO.
I’m not sure. I left a voicemail telling him he was receiving some free publicity on Phoenix Preacher. So far he hasn’t called me back.
I know he’s very busy right now.
?been you have How~AB
Seriously, it’s good to see you again AB!
AB,
I’ll bet he was thrilled.
If he responds go ahead and float the idea, he might not be comfortable with me having his email addy.
It’s good to see you again!
I have talked to Roger at length many times regarding his concerns about CC and the movement overall.
I’m not really at liberty to share any of his perspectives with you or the PP audience.
Perhaps he will come on and respond himself. What has he got to lose!
AB,
“what has he got to lose?” is right
good to see you bro…hope all is well. How’s your family? Is your daughter still in Florida?
Wow, it’s not safe anymore for anyone!
Emergents get slimed by Oakland.
Oakland gets slammed by CCCM/Logos/KWVE
Wait ’til Lighthouse goes all flashing lights at CCCM!
I wonder if Buddhists would rent Oakland an office at a reasonable rate and treat him kindly?
Somebody dumped Roger’s papers for Faith Undone(reported in his newsletter) out in the hallway of Logos Building and then axe him from KWVE. Wow! Sounds like strong arm tactics to me. What’s next? Just to think last year when I was in the S.O.M. Roger was a featured speaker for one of my classes. As Dylan said in his 60’s song “the times they are changin”.
Thanks for the kind words everyone! It’s good to see you all too.
G- behave yourself.
MPH
My daughter is back home with us now. She’s working as a nanny in a troubled home (the mom has been in rehab).
She is being a great witness there and is having a powerful influence on that family.
The rest of the family is doing well. Thanks for asking!
They dumped his Faith Undone papers in the trash can and then axed him? WOW! This is starting to sound the WatchTower Organization!
AB
Long time! How have you been?
***Somebody dumped Roger’s papers for Faith Undone out in the hallway of Logos Building***
That is really rude. I don’t get how someone can call themselves a christian and then engage in such petty, rude behaviour. I can understand someone losing their temper and doing something stupid, but throwing someone’s manuscript and notes out in the hallway is calculated meanness. What jerks. >:(
AB and Dread are both back, maybe there will be a night crew again
good to see ya back AB
Bob,
Very busy, but good.
I haven’t had any time to blog in quite some (a good thing probably), but it is good to see some of the regulars still here.
Blessings to you Bob.
Adios all.
oh man, I can’t shake the 800lb gorilla
I need another GrAvatar exorcism..
OK, I just read the Ichabod commentary by Oakland. Sounds like vintage pp to me. Roger could have been a regular here a few months back.
Who preached the Eli sermon?
Deadman
Good to see you too friend.
Ah, memories of the Night Crew.
http://www.oddtodd.com/Picture%20053_Smalls4g1w.jpg
A Believer,
Did someone say night crew?
Vampire Dread
“A number of situations have arisen that have made the ministry of Understand The Times quite difficult. For example, while I was away in Canada during the month of September, my office containing my research materials used for writing Faith Undone, along with personal itmes was dumped out into the hallway of the office building where I was located. This building is owned by a church.
Of course, those who were responsible for dumping my office into the hall did not choose to inform me. Apparently there was an urgency to move someone into the space that I had occupied. A board member of Understand The Times who had provided the office for me, had to move my possessions back to my house where they can now be found piled in our garage.
This is rather frustrating as you can understand. I have attempted to find out why such a thing would happen to me but no one seems to have an answer. Apparently this is the normal way to behave when a church becomes a corporation. I can see now it would be much better to have an office in a building that was not associated with a church where people operate with a code of ethics.
Some have said that if I should go to these brothers who threw my office out in the hall and talk with them personally according to Matthew 18. But, I am confused about this, you see. Why wouldn’t they have come to me? I didn’t have a problem with them. Apparently, they had a problem with me.
However, this situation is minor compared to the words that come as missiles from the “brethren.” Apparently, some within the movement I have been part of for 20 years, believe the emerging church is just another Jesus movement. I agree. I believe the emerging church is “another Jesus” movement, and the sheep are being led to slaughter.”
http://www.understandthetimes.org/updates/currentupdate.shtml
BD,
Drop me an e-mail sometime and let me know what you’ve been up to lately and how you are doing.
Dropping in an saying “hi” is much tougher than I expected!
I wasn’t expecting so many regulars. I figured the site would have an entirely new crop of posters by now. You guys (and gals) are diehards!
Connect the dots:
“Apparently this is the normal way to behave when a church becomes a corporation. I can see now it would be much better to have an office in a building that was not associated with a church where people operate with a code of ethics.”
Compare the “Corporation” reference Roger used with the recent “Ichabod” article Michael posted, and it’s painfully obvious he’s talking about Chuck Smith.
Well, a lot of us have had our notes metahphorically dumped into the hallway over the years at CC. Welcome to the club, Roger.
Oakland knew what he was saying and certainly should have known what the reaction would be.
Wowsers man! This site is taking a long time to refresh!
There is a welcomed power shift taking place at CCCM that is wisely undercover. Roger Oakland is being taken down smoothly and effectively and it reads like a 007 novel. It is about time. Get the picture Roger, Roger.
Rogers statement “I can see now it would be much better to have an office in a building that was not associated with a church where people operate with a code of ethics” is a little puzzling to me in this sense.
If he has a “Discernment Ministry” why did it take him so long to realize that he was fellowshipping with people that weren’t operating as the “Church” where people operate with a “Code of ethics”.???
His words, not mine.
My prayer is that Roger will use his vast knowledge and history of CCCM’s history, inner workings, family dynamics and politics in a gracious, healing way and not give in to the temptation to “let it rip” beyond the boundaries of grace and love -
a tall order for someone of Roger’s talents, predespositions.
With the “ammunition” he has at his disposal, I felt his article was written very diplomatically.
If you all think his rhetoric and passion gets a little over the top regarding subjects he is not well versed in, can you imagine the havoc he could wreck if he decides to let it all hang out about stuff he does know and has personal knowledge of?
Kinda scares me.
Lord have mercy.
Will do AB,
Absentee Dread
Since AB is here I will drop in and say “hi” too. I miss all you good people, and some of you bad ones too.
PS. It IS good to see you AB! Even those peeps you don’t see around are probably cruising through now and then….
thanks for sharpening my iron as well as making me laugh when the nite crew once gathered.
sometimes greived, sometimes rejoicing, sometimes rascally rusilla -
but always Anne
Hi Dave!!
AB
’sup dude! go to have you drop in
Yo Dave! How are you feeling these days?
I assume you were referring to me as the “Bad ones too”?
Hi Sola. Good to see you.
Hi Scott. You are one of the good guys for sure. I am feeling pretty decent. Recovering from my surgery, one day at a time. I am still sore and stiff at times, but I’m surviving. Thought about changing my moniker to Sore and Stiff and posting again but I’m still a bit too busy to dive back in.
Cap’n Kev, eric, and filly are gonna be bummed if they miss catching an AB and Pastor Dave sighting! :-0
So help me out here. Was Roger Oakland on staff or an employee at CCCM? If not, was he getting free office space? If not free and he was paying on an office lease for his ministry, how did they kick him out?
Seems strange - perhaps CCCM and Understanding whatever his company name is, should be thrown into the Senate investigation.
That’s why you should always be suspicious of any church that owns a 20 story (or however many) building.
Hold the presses…
I’ve got some additional info.
Let’s just say for the record that Chuck wasn’t behind this and Oakland’s wounds are self inflicted.
There is a whole nother side to the story, but I’m retired now.
Suffice to say that it would be an error to pass judgment until you have all the facts.
Which you don’t.
and won’t.
Cause I’m retired.
Nice to get an update Dave! Glad you’re recovering well, you’ll be back 1,000% in no time!
Changing your Gravatar could take mos.
I like the one you’re using now!
Don’t be such a stranger.
I’m pecking away and Rolph shows up…
Looks like 2005 in here
I knew this thread would draw Dave Rolph out of the closet
Dave…I sent you an email earlier.
Yeah Michael, I’m sure you’re email press is cranking overtime right now! Damage control, LOL!
BTW, I never inferred Chuck Smith was behind the dirty deed. Now, the Eli reference is another story
Uh, Michael-
In all due respect, if you were really retired, would you post the initial article?
And since you opened the floodgates with the first, isnt’ it proper to follow up the first with updates or clarifications?
It must be a hard thing to retire from a calling, if you’re still getting the call(s)……
ScottH,
Sometimes I remember why I stopped doing this
Like tonight
MPH,
I didn’t get your email. And I’m still not out of the closet. In fact, I don’t even use the restroom at the airport.
Anne,
You have a point
The clarification is that it appears that Oakland is attempting to look like a victim here and my information is that is not the case.
My guess is that we haven’t heard the last of this.
I have to resume my true calling now…babysitter.
Michael,I love how in the midst of the fray, you’re keeping your priorities in focus! May blessings abound in your babysitting dear brother!!
Dave,
daverolph@calvarychapel.com
that is where I sent it…
“I don’t even use the bathroom at airports”
***The clarification is that it appears that Oakland is attempting to look like a victim here and my information is that is not the case.***
If that is the case, it throws his commentary into a somewhat ironic light, considering he talks about people being deceived but then turns around an immediately tries to deceive people himself.
Ah well. You can at least admire his ability and willingness to play politics. :p
MPH,
That is the correct address. When did you send it? I could have missed it as I have been gone a lot. I looked back for the last couple weeks and don’t see it. You aren’t in my spam list.
Michael wrote: “Let’s just say for the record that Chuck wasn’t behind this and Oakland’s wounds are self inflicted.”
From what little I know (a long story in itself), this was my conclusion as well. Don’t blame CCCM on this one.
Dave,
I sent it earlier today…I will resend it right now.
Jessica,
You’re very good at this
Thank you, Anne…he pretty much rules the roost ..
This discussion is much more confusing than bowls and beasts… I simply do not get it.
So Michael unretire….and give us the scoop.
Better yet…
Forget It Dread
MPH,
I still haven’t received it. I suspect Chuck Smith is breaking into my inbox and throwing your emails out in the hall somewhere. We need to get Michael on this one.
Dave,
did you check your junk box? It says it’s being recieved…oh well just seeing how you are doing and how your health is.
MPH,
Yeah, it isn’t coming through, but I’m getting other email. Sorry.
I am doing well and feeling decent. I went to El Salvador a few weeks ago to speak at a Pastors Conference and at some churches down there. I spoke this last weekend at a mens retreat in Lake Tahoe. So I am starting to get out a bit. Thanks for asking.
Dave,
You are the best. Thank you for showing up around here once and a while. There is a fresh wind blowing. CC is going to be changed from the uttermost parts inward. The mission field is holy these days.
Dave,
Good to hear that you are feeling better.
When I was up in Vancouver I called Bill Ritchie. We were both too busy to meet together. Just thought I would let you know.
Pastorx2,
You make a great point.
While we watch the weirdness here in the States, the CC ministries overseas are doing good work in tough places.
They are far enough away to not be affected.
I have to finish watching “Joseph” now…a fine cartoon introduction to Calvinism for Trey
Pastor Pastor said “There is a welcomed power shift taking place at CCCM that is wisely undercover. Roger Oakland is being taken down smoothly and effectively and it reads like a 007 novel”
WOW! A 007 Novel??? Remember the old days when we’d develop a script with real present life characters matching the part in the original?
So, who is going to play Agent 007 in this novel? Dave Rolph? LOL!
Of course we should stay Biblically correct and call him Agent 777!
Michael,
Wounds self inflicted?? Maybe. Is it right (assuming that Roger is telling the correct version here, and I’m well aware that there is two sides to a story) to take the man’s items from his office and dump it into the hallway??
Centorian, it had to be Ernst Stavro Blofeld. I’m still waiting for this story to unfold!
I think it’s interesting that this guy seems so teamed up with Lighthouse Trails and then goes this route. It’s like he had some kind of replacement support strategy. No?
Centy,
Let me just say that Oakland’s story is different than what I’ve been told by very reliable folk.
That’s not really how it went down.
Mr. Oakland is obviously going through a difficult time and he’s welcome to come and speak for himself.
Hmmm, many of the smps have 007 monikers, and Mr. Oakland did throw out a pretty pointed challenge recently to CC pastors as a whole. Like what’s up with all that??
May there be a heart to limit the collateral damage among those caught unawares between the old and the new guard as the shaking and sifting intensifies in the days to come.
I hope what is remains is more transparent and simple without all the vatican like intrique and politics of the past.
michael,
e-mail me please
cntorian@yahoo.com
Hey Anne… Just lurking and saw your comment. Actually, I’m the only SMP with the 007 thing. The SMP blog was at one point 6 other authors. When I joined I was suppose to be SMP07. I messed up my wordpress sign up and ended up as 007 which worked out anyway since I loved Sean Connery as a kid in 007 movies.
SMP,
I figured that the 007 reference would get to you just a little but there is a bit of “under the radar” stuff going on that signals the shift of power in CC.
007 - I think Sean Connery played 007 as an adult, not as a kid.
Yes… I’m a grammatical genius. Thanks Corby
Anne,
you’re right, bummer to miss some of the MIA’s…I’m really glad to hear they are doing well.
Centy,
UGM
Thanks SMP007 for reminding me there is only one OO7-SMP or Bond
I mistakenly lumped the number of other double o’s into the same basket. I am encouraged by the discussions you all have over at SMP when I lurk in them there parts.
Hoping all is well in filly-delphia.
Between following the end times discussion and the oakland breaking news, I managed to fall off the blogging/lurking wagon big time. Oh,well tomorrow is a new day. But I gotta admit it was great to ’see’ ya’all tonight!
Delurking
Jessica wrote ”
***Somebody dumped Roger’s papers for Faith Undone out in the hallway of Logos Building***
That is really rude. I don’t get how someone can call themselves a christian and then engage in such petty, rude behaviour. I can understand someone losing their temper and doing something stupid, but throwing someone’s manuscript and notes out in the hallway is calculated meanness. What jerks. >:(”
This is more common then some may thing and quite mild when it comes to some forms of retaliation. I E dog poop on the pastor’s desk after a pastor comes home from a retreat demonstrating how little some of his congregation felt about him. Being terminated with a message on your answering machine then relegated to the back row of your fellowship until you get so depress you leave. Then your blamed for being a spiritual so and so. Families kicked out because of the “sin” of one person. Pastors lied about fired with no notice because of political reasons, office door locks changed, medical insurance canceled in mid cancer treatment, because its to expensive.
Gossip spread through out a church where the pastor is driven out, lied about, physically threatened (this happens alot more then people think). Families split up, careers sabotaged for Jesus etc. It is vicious with a purity that is rarely found in the world. It truly brakes ones hearts. We need to repent, and God will forgive us, he really will.
Pastor 2x and all:
Let’s hope and pray the power shift looks, sounds and acts like this.
Rev.4:11 ” You are worthy, O Lord, To recieve glory and honor and power; . .”
Rev. 5:12 ” Worthy is the Lamb who was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom And strength and honor and glory and blessing”
Rev. 7:12 “Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom, Thanksgiving and honor and power and might. Be to our God forever and ever. Amen.”
If not then may be Townsend and Daltrey are prophets.
“Meet the new boss, same as the old boss” Power chords follow.
anne, all’s OK in filly, still working on the brotherly love.
brian, as one who got kicked in the teeth as a staff member in a church many years ago, I vouch for the scripture that love covers a multitude of sins. I say that for I sat to dinner tonight with a man who led my ugly dismissal, and we laughed and shared and hugged when he departed. Forgiveness is our privelege to recieve as well as to give.
victorious, amen.
Dear Believers,
I am sad about what I am reading. I have no details or facts, and don’t want them. I can easily believe that any or all of it is true, because I could do it. 1 Cor. 10:13a
That being said, the comedic statements also sadden me. If this is simply a case of comedic relief, O.K. I find no relief in it, but we deal with things differently. Maybe there needs to be freedom for that kind of thing.
Whatever validation anyone might feel, including me, re. our suspicions of “them”, just remember that “they” are “us”. The Body of Christ. The Bride of Christ. His Bride.
It’s another sad day in the Kingdom. God help us.
Filbertz,
Good word.
Bill Walden
ditto.
Bill,
That was a good word…this kind of situation is heard for all of us now, as well it should be.
Time for rest…God bless all.
filbertz
I would give almost anything for such an event, it cant happen but I would give almost anything. For some reason that kind of stuff just does not seem to happen, I have forgiven these folks many times over, I had the opportunity to get even, I chose not to. That to came back on me in spades. I have always wondered why. I no longer have those expectations. I am glad it happened for you. God bless all back to lurking sorry I spoke up. Happy thanks giving.
brian,
not all folks respond to grace when its given or forgiveness when offered, one can only try and move on. With this gentleman, 23 years have elapsed. Nearly 20 years had passed when I served that church for 9 months as their interim pastor. Not to say there weren’t moments of deep awkwardness, but walking by faith usually goes cross-grain to my nature. Living in grace and forgiveness keeps us stable when others don’t buy in. Kudos to you for not getting even when you had the chance.
Bill Walden, I’m sorry if I offended you. For me, Pastor Pastor’s connection of a 007 novel with this current CC flap hit my funny bone. Unfortunately, I have a weird sense of humor, I’ll try and be more sensitive next time
Yes, you’re right, this situation between Oakland & CC is sad. The irony is titillating, however, I’ll refrain from piling on.
I hope everyone has a wonderful Thanksgiving with family & friends!
God Bless!
Scott,
Thanks, I am not offended, and I do see the irony, etc., and part of me wants to chime in, but I am more sad than disgusted, plus there is speculation, as Michael has made mention. We don’t know what happened.
This probably isn’t a fair example to use, but when Saul was killed, David lamented, and said, “Tell it not in Gath”.
We had a pastor leave Napa, and when he did, I rejoiced, but had to remember that it was a tragedy as well. I knew details, and wanted to “tell it in Napa”, because the guy disgusted me. Bittersweet is much of what we deal with as believers.
Whatever has happened has been noticed by many. Let’s pray that whoever the offender(s) is/are, that they take notice that the public is watching, and their decisions are bringing reproach. The Philistines are cheering.
O.K….enough of that. Blessings on you guys. Give thanks, His mercy endures forever.
Bill
You spoke wisdom in your last post
Hey
Can we mover on from this thread? I think the purpose for posting it was served. There are other issues concerning the kingdom we could be talking about.
Respectfully,
Steve
Sorry Steve, my magic 8 ball says “no”
Roger Oakland is our brother in the Lord, He loves Jesus Christ, He is under attack right now.
Please pray for him and his family. I have meant Roger and he is a humble, courageous man.
May the Lord grant me and each of us to Love the Lord Jesus Christ with all of our heart, mind, and strength and to love our neighbor as ourselves. It is only with His power we are able…..
CF,
Rest easy…Roger is not under attack and I’m sure the Lord will guide him.
Thanks Michael, that is the truth
blessings to you this evening!
Is it possible that it was something as simple as a program director making a decision that was in the best interest of the audience served? Is it also possible that the decision that was made was something toiled over by someone that is being led by the Spirit?
Pmike
Pmike
Some one being led of the Spirit would demonstrate at a bare minimum basic ethics in working with Roger and engaging in conversations with Roger face to face to arrive at a decision and plan honorable to both.
Remember; speaking the truth in love, not carrying out decisions behind someones back.
victorious
Who ever said it was behind Rogers back. A radio station has no obligation whatsoever, Christian or not, to air anything. And changes can be made on the fly. That is the beauty of live radio.
And quite frankly if the Spirit is leading someone that is a steward of God’s resources to do something then I personally believe that it would be plain old dumb to second guess that leading.
Chuck Smith is a steward of quite a bit that God has seen fit to put him in charge of. Chuck has put responsible and experienced people he trusts in charge of KWAVE to make decisions that they see best in the interest of that which God has given them. Therefore I don’t think that any one of us have any right to second guess the decisions that are made.
KWAVE is doing nothing to stop you from enjoying every minute of Roger Oakland’s ministry. http://www.understandthetimes.org
Amazing all the problems in the Church or is it?? God has invaded His people with His Holy Spirit, yet we all still have the Flesh to fight against everyday, every hour. To humble us? Yes, to have us remember that salvation is all of God, none from us, yet our free choice to receive. Yes, that’s humbling too!! Yep, this whole walk with God is He is God and we are not, yet we are now IN HIM, In His Son Jesus, by the Spirit, 4ever!! Wow. I think we ought to be reveling and treasuring what we Have received in Him and letting others know in Word and Deed. Yes, there will be the enemy lurking in the Church. But killing each other off, where is the Love of Christ there? I just attended Calvary Chapel Pacific Hills on Sunday and heard Pastor Dave teaching about the Unity of the Body in Eph. Chapter 4. That’s where I want to go. To learn to edify the body, in unity, in Christ, under His headship. Picking on others and warning all the time…. Well, if someone is really, really saved, and I believe when you are born again, it is 4ever!! Then, yes you can be prone to deception when you walk in the flesh and serve self, but the Holy Spirit, now dwelling in you will over time bring you deeper and deeper into apprehending the Grace of God that saved you (I don’t think we ever really understand Grace, but we can accept it and revel in it and live in it (in His life, now in us 4ever!!) We really need to get back to living in the perception of our own personal wretchedness of the flesh, and then to walk crucified in Christ and alive in Him, we have Personal Revival!! That is all one can do and then spread, overflow this Joy and rest in Christ to others. What they do about getting it, is up to them and God. In the last days, it appears self centeredness will abound, even in the Church. There is a pervasive spirit of evil, I think connected with the fruits of evolutionary teachings that have permeated the schools now for 50 plus years and the magnificence of mankind “spirit” that we are good and can get better….that is affected All of us!! Anchor into Jesus, tie yourself to the Palm tree as the Polynesian did when the Hurricanes came. We are in the last days!! But we need to strive for unity, yet we do need to be open to correction from each other, for no one, not even Pastor Chuck Smith is perfected yet!!! We all have flesh and feelings that can rise up and have us do things which cause division. Help us Lord to fight the fight of faith to grow into You in the wonder of your Grace, Mercy, Love and Eternal life, given to us in Jesus. let us walk in wonderment and filled with the Spirit to overflow this Spirit of Love and the truth of your Word to others, especially the New Covenant Promises that have been given to all, yet are only received by a few. In Jesus name I pray, Amen