Lots of links for me to choose from. Here are some of the best ones from this past week:
The Desiring God National Conference starts on Friday.
Nathan Busenitz of Pulpit Magazine criticized speaker Mark Driscoll in advance of the conference. Doug Wilson, used as an example of how not to speak, responded to Busenitz on his own blog. Busenitz replied to Wilson, and had more to say about language in a second blog post.
Barton at FTA on Biblical authority and how it should manifest in our lives to nonbelievers.
Bryon Mondok is at the Calvary Chapel Northwest Pastor's Conference in suburban Seattle this week. So far he's posted on talks given by Chuck Smith, Tom Stipe and Wayne Taylor.
Mondok also reviewed The Shack.
Internet church campuses are sprouting up everywhere.
Scot McKnight is studying the word 'gospel', part 1 and part 2, with subsequent posts at his blog. McKnight also reviews Rob Bell's latest book, Jesus Wants to Save Christians.
What Daniel Fusco is doing.
J.D. Greear on compassion for the poor.
Keep pastor and blogger Steve McCoy's wife in your prayers.
Bill McCartney is returning to head up Promise Keepers (HT: Todd Rhoades).
The much-trumpted ESV Study Bible is soon to be released, and if you want to see if it's worth your while, Crossway has released as PDF files the introduction, text and notes for Esther and 1 John.
The audio from the Santa Fe Conference on Biblical Discernment is here. (HT: James White)
Don Miller posted on a way, through Chris Seay's church in Houston, you can help people in the Houston and Galveston areas.
Matt Chandler on pastors and pursuit.
Ligonier is posting the complete text of R.C. Sproul's book Does Prayer Change Things? starting here and here.
Frank Viola and Ben Witherington recently debated about the institutional church versus the organic church.
R.I.P. Emerging Church?? - Alan Hirsch's take on the possible demise of the emerging church.
Thinking Biblically about the banking crisis - Justin Taylor interviews David Kotter.
C. Michael Patton on homosexuality.
Dan Edelen on soul man, spirit man, part 1 and part 2.
Lifeway Stores pulled from its shelves the latest issue of Gospel Today which has…five women pastors on its cover. (I might have to drive by a certain Lifeway store near me to see if those Joyce Meyer books I thought were there actually are). iMonk weighs in.
Patton on doctrinal disagreements.
Tom Ascol on engaging in controversy.
iMonk on evangelicalism and on evangelism.
Ed Stetzer and Bob Hyatt review and critique the "roadshow" tour featuring Doug Pagitt, Tony Jones and Mark Scandrette.
Ligonier's top five commentaries on Job.
Check out neue magazine.
I’ve repeated this post at my new blog, but there are a few extra links there that you won’t find here:
http://briandblog.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/linkathon-924/
Interesting about Joyce Myers, I went to her conference and heard the Gospel and really saw people blessed. It was very good for me.
I make a crack about Joyce Meyer, and then brian, you come along and put things into perspective. Hope you are doing well tonight, bro.
Still need to get out to Lifeway and do a quick inventory though
I was wondering about harsh speech, now I have been told, by people I loved dearly “I wish you were not born”, “spiritual whore”, and “spiritual abortion” (my personal favorite), “apostate”, “lost cause”, and the ever present “reprobated”, “damned from eternity past”, etc. titles of love. Granted they sound not make one “feel” bad, as a christian should never feel, ever.
I dont like many things pastor Driscoll says, I would not go to his church and I find some of his ideas silly. Now what I have found vile that has come from the pulpit, the Jewish people suffered the holocaust because they killed Jesus, this idea makes me puke, and I believe such speech should be actionable and illegal like in Germany. I find such a concept completely revolting in the extreme. I think Pastoral advice to women to stay with their abusive husbands because that is God’s will also vile, and should be actionable, with a vengeance.
Personally I find these types of speech much more evil then anything Pastor Driscoll or others have said, except maybe one statement, but that is another post.
You see I feel like total trash if I utter a harsh word, I know thats pathetic and whimpish on my part, but I just cant bring myself to say such things to people. I guess I need to grow up and be a real man. Na, I dont want to be a real man if it means being rude to another creation of God, GAaaaaaaaaaaaaaag how pathetic is that.
I am not a fan of Joyce Meyer’s teaching of theology and doctrine. She basically teaches a lot of stuff which frankly can’t be found in scripture. What I do like about her is she has a positive way of looking at things. Kind of a “pick yourself up by your own boot straps yourself” approach.
But don’t ask about her finances and multiple homes.
Brian:
I agree with you about Driscoll. While I find his doctrine good his use of words is often pouring right out of the sewer.
Drew I see your point, and I did ask, the ministries she sponsored the time I was there were well regulated and I have dealt with before. You mentioned houses, in my whole life every house I have lived in has been open to my students and others day and night, and I mean night, two three four in the morning. Not a brag but just what I tried to do. My dream is to end the time I have left offering that same heaven, if I had even a small house of my own it would be used for that.
In Joyce’s speaking that day it was not that, she kept going back to the Bible and reliance on God in all things, she kept stressing that. Of course there was the media stuff but the folks I brought understood her approach and it touched them deeply. It touched me as well. I will admit if I had access to the houses they would be filled with folks from the least of these. But it was a start for me.
http://www.joycemeyer.org/AboutUs/annualreport/financialstatements.htm
These are more accurate then many and trust me I am a complete cynic I dont trust anyone and by no means am I a supporter. But the idea of just being in a room with fellow Christians worshiping was very moving. I will agree I did get a bit emotional, something I loath and try very hard to fight in Faith groups but I will say I found it a good day.
Brian:
Did you see her ministry has $21 mill in cash and cash equiv. WOW!
yes I did, that is small compared to other ministries to be honest, I am not trying to defend but ministry is big business. I dont know what to say, but at least the records are public. Personally in my “ministry” life I have never been given a penny, I could not even get help when I tried to help have a memorial when my father died, I will agree to have that expectation was extremely presumptuous on my part. I have repented of those expectations. Have a good evening.
Hey Bri—go back over to that other thread we were talking on..
BrianD,
Thanks once again for all your hard work in compiling this great information.
Speaking of R.C. Sproul, I’m going to a conference this weekend in Scottsdale with Sproul, Johnny Mac, Ligon Duncan, and others. I’m so excited! My Calvary pastor even thought it was great that I am going to hear all these Calvinists (I think he’s a closet Calvinist).
I echo Nancy’s thank you, BrianD
and an outline of the book. I like that it includes a literary analysis as well.
I like the 1st John “sample” of the ESV Study Bible….it gives some solid historical and cultural background, a timeline of John’s life to put his writing in perspective, themes,the requisite map
The first Bible I ever bought was an NIV Study Bible and I still use it today because I have so many notes in it! I also like the NASB Inductive Study Bible because it allows more room for notes and instructs how to do book segment divisions and analysis and provides space to do all that. All in all, I think I’ll have to save up for the ESV
Now, regarding “thinking biblically about the banking crisis”… it provides a half way decent background on why we find ourselves where we find ourselves now, but says that the bailout will cost every man, woman and child in the US $1000. Well, given that kids don’t pay taxes and 40% of the adult population doesn’t either, that leaves a considerably larger chunk of the debt for those of us who do pay taxes.
The lesson I take out of all of this is not to just not “love the things of this world” but to pull our heads out of the ground when it comes to evaluating issues and electing people. Unfortunately, the American public has not responded well to being “educated” about such things, but it’s about time we understand our constitution and our bill of rights in this country. In my opinion, we have become lazy, letting our elected officials act in whatever way they see fit without any recourse of action. Friends, that’s taxation without representation by means of “distraction”. The bottom line is that now, we must pray for our leaders, be wise about spending and continue to be generous in giving and we need to hold our leader’s accountable for the job for which they were elected to office.
CK… will you do a summary of what you learned when you get back from the conference?
Here’s a link I received this morning. This is a pretty dire word. What do you all think about this? Bear witness to it? Doom and gloom? Crazy irrational man?
The DEPRESSION HAS BEGUN
-by Andrew Strom.
Ten months ago in November 2007 while preaching in Wisconsin
USA, I felt a strong unction from the Holy Spirit to speak about
the future of the United States and the imminent Crash. As often
happens under that kind of anointing, a real boldness came over
me, and for the first time I found myself clearly putting a “date”
on the coming financial Depression - something I had never done
before - except in the vaguest of terms. I found myself predicting
that tragically within six months America would be in Recession,
and within 12 months the actual Depression would begin.
(-This audio is on our website - http://www.revivalschool.com )
So let us look at the evidence. It is now ten months later. Has the
Depression begun? Sadly the answer has to be “Yes”. In the last
two weeks the two largest mortgage giants in the world (Fannie
Mae & Freddie Mac) failed, the largest Insurance Company on earth
crashed (all taken over by the US Government), Lehman Brothers
went bankrupt (almost taking the entire financial system with it),
Money Markets reeled, the two remaining giant Investment banks
sought protection as “holding banks” - which means the end of
Wall Street as we know it, etc, etc. Stocks are in turmoil, Oil leapt
on Monday by the most ever recorded, gold is volatile - and on it
goes. -The most shattering two weeks since the Great Depression.
Meanwhile the US Treasury is seeking 700 billion dollars in a
forlorn effort to put Humpty back together again - tragically too late.
THERE ARE “JONAHS” on THE BOAT
Why is this storm hitting America at this time? There are certainly
many reasons - most of which we have discussed before. But let
me put something else before you that I believe God spoke to me
not long ago:- There are “Jonahs” on the boat - and they are
sending the nation down.
Who are these Jonahs? I believe they are the “prophets” of America
who will not preach the truth - who sleep comfortably in the bowels
of the nation while chaos reigns all around them. Too afraid to
deliver God’s word ‘Repent’, they run the other way - toward smooth
talk and pleasant sayings - “Peace peace” when there is no peace.
And the depths of this great crisis can be laid directly at their door.
Yes - that’s right. A big reason why the ship of America is sinking
is because her prophets ran away from their God-given task and
message at the crucial moment.
If only these prophets had preached the TRUTH when the nation
so desperately needed to hear it. If only they had begun - way
back in the 1980’s - to call the lukewarm church to repentance,
to rebuke the people for their love of money, their greed, their sin.
But no - the siren call of “popularity” was too strong. The call of
“grace, grace”, of mass acceptance, of big reputations and even
bigger offerings. And so they sold out. And now they sleep bliss-
fully in the midst of the ship, while the storm whips to fury all
around. How do you sleep, O Jonahs, who would not cry “Repent”?
And it is not just the “prophets” either. It is the televangelists too.
Caught up in a world of fakery, hype and money-grubbing unseen
in the church since the Dark Ages, these hucksters are spreading
their garbage to every Third World Revival nation around the globe.
Greed, manipulation and pride on a scale that only America could
generate. Where is your shame, O charlatans of greed?
And so God is forced to act. And just like Jonah, the storm will
not abate until the wayward preachers are thrown overboard. Until
America is rid of these international thieves and prostitutes, she
is finished. And she will not recover until they are gone.
You see, it is not just the leaders who are at fault here. It is also
the people, who “love to have it so”. And thus until the heart of the
people is scourged and purged they will accommodate the “Jonahs” -
even seeking more of their ear-tickling fables to comfort themselves
in this time of breaking.
Until the heart of American greed is shattered - until her people
act of their own volition to throw these Jonahs overboard - this
storm will go on and on. In fact, it is about to grow a whole lot worse.
Mark my words, America: Until you remove these Jonahs, your
nation cannot recover. They have held the whole world in thrall by
their apostasy. And God cannot have it so any more. How long will
it take you to realize? How long will it take you to act?
THROW THE JONAHS OVERBOARD and be done with them!!
Only then will this mother of all storms subside.
-Comments welcome. -Send to- prophetic @ revivalschool .com
PLEASE FORWARD THIS EMAIL to OTHERS
God bless you all,
Andrew Strom.
Bryon Mondock’s review of the Shack was one of the most balanced I’ve read. He cites the flaws in the story while still upholding the good things Young tried to accomplished. It’s a worthwhile read
“Yes - that’s right. A big reason why the ship of America is sinking
is because her prophets ran away from their God-given task and
message at the crucial moment”
Yeah, that’s why America is in such financial turmoil…Give me a break. Why do things like what America is facing right now bring out these kind of guys? They say the reason Katrina hit America was because God was judging New Orleans. The Trade Towers because of Sin…now the financial crisis because pastors didn’t preach the truth..I think Im gonna be sick
Typical prophecy “Jonah” used as a metaphor for something specific.ARAUGGGGHHHH
Steve,
Now this guy blames the pulpit riders for what the pew sitters do/don’t. D’d if you do, D’d if you don’t!
Pastors are usually ignored if they do say anything about finances because there’s probably a hidden agenda to tithing!
filthyfil
Scott…Andrew Strom?
You know, if this is God’s judgment on us as a nation, we, as God’s people are individually responsible. We are responsible to know the Lord, to know His Word and to obey Him. We obey Him because we love Him. We love Him because He first loved us.
Though pastors teach the Word, it is our job to know our God and to know what He says. Though teachers incur a stricter judgment (as James 3 says), they are not solely responsible for our meal of the Word. If we go about the week malnourished, is it not our fault for not eating what we should every day?
Just some thoughts….I’m sure MLD will take a shot
Did he say that this condition is laid solely at the feet of the Leaders?
“You see, it is not just the leaders who are at fault here. It is also
the people, who “love to have it so”. And thus until the heart of the
people is scourged and purged they will accommodate the “Jonahs” -
even seeking more of their ear-tickling fables to comfort themselves
in this time of breaking.”
Most of the problems we’re facing economically are because of the fine old sins of lust and greed.
I was a banker during the boom of a couple years ago and people were using their homes as ATM machines by the millions.
I personally was writing fifty home equity loans a month, sometimes rewriting the same loans as many as three times in a couple of years as people took the cheap money from their homes to purchase whatever their eyes desired.
When that money started becoming more and more expensive, the trouble started.
The second factor we have to look at is that this economy is now run for the benefit of corporate shareholders.
Nothing has impacted the quality of life of the American worker like the now quarterly test of whether the numbers are up.
With the demise of the family owned business most of us work for major corporations and our security is not based on job performance, but stock price and profit margins.
It’s not enough anymore to be profitable, you must be more profitable than the quarter before and compared to the quarter last year.
The pressure is incredible to produce more and more and the result is a burned out, stressed out workforce.
God’s judgement…no, just a realization that a refusal to live by biblical standards of provision and contentment bear bitter fruit.
re money…a former Assistant Secretary for Housing-Federal Housing Commisioner (Catherine Austin Fitts) in 2006 said “HUD is a Sewer.” She also said “Surviving and thriving as a free people depends on creating and transacting with currencies and investments other than those printed and manipulated by Wall Street and Washington to the eventual end of our rights and assets.” … dunwalke dot com
I have also heard that next year our financial tracking system will leave what we use now (GAAP) for some European model…something is going on behind the scenes and it is happening at a very inconvenient time
probably the Church is better off focusing on the Church and our Christ IMO
Michael, I agree that it is not God’s judgement…more like natural consequences. If I lick the woodstove, God hasn’t judged me via a burned tongue. Too many self-righteous people equate the difficulties that befall others with God’s displeasure…and it causes incredible grief and suffering on top of the hardship. Life has many difficulties and trials for the righteous and unrighteous alike. Grace and compassion are a much more valued commodity in this ‘economy.’
Michael…amen!
Home Equity loans? I guess I’m old-fashioned…I thought the objective was to pay off the existing mortgage, not buy more stuff that needs to be maintained and depreciates and requires more insurance
Of course, you’re talking to someone that is happy with a date with my husband to a dollar movie! Remember, our kids call us the Amish.
yeah, what Michael said
Michael comments are closer to the truth than Mr. what’s his name the prophet.
Lust and greed all around. People want more things so they spend money they don’t have with credit cards or refinancing their homes. Then when they get the things they want they want more so we spend more money we don’t have by refinancing or getting a higher credit limit on our CC’s. We Amnericans leveraged the banks until they can no longer handle the stress and viola’ here we are.
It starts with congress under the Clinton Admin. forcing banks to lend more money to less than blue chip applicants. Then people get greedy start buying more stuff. Americans are addicted to credit!
Steve, I suspect there’s been “a plan” going on for quite some time…was it FDR that made gold illegal tender and citizens had to turn it in for paper? Then was it Nixon who took our currency off the gold standard? Little by little … it’s almost demonic…
The really bad news is that this isn’t fixable, short of leadership that would have the wisdom of Solomon or the God led vision of Joseph.
If interest rates climb by even two points the next shoe will drop and real chaos will ensue.
That’s not prophecy, that’s economic reality.
Psalm62… a friend was listening to someone who was a Christian financial guy (wish I knew who it was), who said the only solution he sees in this situation is to re-issue our currency.
Have any of you Calvary pastors read Tal Brooke’s “When the World Will be as One?” We used to have a copy, but can’t find it now.
He purported that the Federal Reserve appeared to be an arm of our government (they have a .gov address) but that in reality, it was run by independent international financial institutions. If that’s the case, this “bailout” makes even more sense and is.
Any comments?
that should be …sense.
Michael….any indicators of how many ARMS comprise total mortgages?
Linnea,
This is where the great deception is being wrought.
All of the home equity lines of credit on homes today are NOT counted as mortgages.
Those are going to be the killers.
A lot of folks got out of adjustable rate mortgages over the past couple of years…and immediately got an HELOC on the home as well.
Most of the ARMS written during the boom don’t adjust till next year or 2010…so the real crisis is still in front of us, at least in this region.
I’m not even sure the ‘Federal Reserve’ is an American institution…is the board made up entirely of U.S. citizens? dunno… except that the drum beat that it marches to is not looking out for U.S. citizenry - except in a collatoral way
Michael, **All of the home equity lines of credit on homes today are NOT counted as mortgages.** so, if you default, who gets the house?
In the meantime, while the church should be stepping up in prayer and unity in the face of these crises, we’re too busy ripping the hide off each other over bad language and prayer styles to bother…
Why does everyone get so bummed out? This guy has a plan and I think it will work
Hi Pals,
>
> I’m against the $85,000,000, 000.00 bailout of AIG.
>
> Instead, I’m in favor of giving $85,000,000, 000 to America in
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> a We Deserve It Dividend.
>
> To make the math simple, let’s assume there are 200,000,000
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> bonafide U.S. Citizens 18 .
>
> Our population is about 301,000,000 /- counting every man, woman
>
> and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up..
>
> So divide 200 million adults 18 into $85 billon that equals $425,000.00.
>
> My plan is to give $425,0 00 to every person 18 as a
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> We Deserve It Dividend.
>
> Of course, it would NOT be tax-free.
>
> So let’s assume a tax rate of 30%.
>
> Every individual 18 has to pay $127,500.00 in taxes.
>
> That sends $25,500,000, 000 right back to Uncle Sam.
>
> But it means that every adult 18 has $297,500.00 in their pocket.
>
> A husband and wife has $595,000 .00.
>
> What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?
>
> Pay off your mortgage - housing crisis solved.
>
> Repay college loans - what a great boost to new grads
>
> Put away money for college - it’ll be there
>
> Save in a bank - create money to loan to entrepreneurs.
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> Buy a new car - create jobs
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> Invest in the market - capital drives growth
>
> Pay for your parent’s medical insurance - health care improves
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> Enable Deadbe at Dads to come clean - or else
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> Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18 including the folks
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> who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company
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> that is cutting back. And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.
>
> If we’re going to re-distribute wealth let’s really do it…instead of
> trickling out
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> a puny $1000.00 ( “vote buy” ) economic incentive that is being proposed by
> one of our candidates for President.
>
> If we’re going to do an $85 billion bailout, let’s bail out every adult U S
> Citizen 18 !
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> As for AIG - liquidate it.
>
> Sell off its parts.
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> Let American General go back to being American General.
>
> Sell off the real estate.
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> Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up.
>
> Here’s my rationale. We deserve it and AIG doesn’t.
>
> Sure it’s a crazy idea that can “never work.”
>
> But can you imagine the Coast-To-Coast Block Party!
>
> How do you spell Economic Boom?
>
> I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion
>
> We Deserve It Dividend more than I do the geniuses at AIG or in Washington
> DC.
>
> And remember, The Family plan only really costs $59.5 Billion because
> $25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.
The bank still gets the house, but those in trouble with HELOCs aren’t counted in the troubled mortgage statistics.
Things are far worse than they seem…the “good economy” was fueled by people spending the money from their homes like drunken sailors…as that money dries up the economy slows and because we have become a service economy, without spending the whole machine collapses or starves from lack of cash.
Michael…didn’t realize HELOC’s were different and that those ARMS won’t adjust till 2010. Wow. Much prayer for wisdom needed right now. Sounds like a depression in the offing to me.
MLD! push the bankers into the sea! MLD for President! Can I send your post to my E list?
MLD,
That sounds crazy, but it would be the American version of the Year of Jubilee and if it were a requirement to pay off mortgage debt with the windfall it would in all likelihood work.
IMHO. When did it become anathema to blame stupid people for making stupid decisions? The buyers used their home as an ATM, then got in trouble as the loan rates change? Stupid. They should have READ the papers they signed. Corporations sucked up all the money they could on the loans they knew would explode? Stupid. Let them fall and reparcel their assets that remain. The general public spends like “drunken sailors” (and I was one)? Stupid (and I speak to myself as well). Let us all learn to live within our means. “Want” does not equal “need”.
My wife and I are paying for STUPID financial decisions we have made in the past. We have been poor stewards of God’s finances, but we have realized that and are PAYING for it. We are not asking for someone to bail us out because of our STUPID decisions.
I am all for helping out those that have had bad circumstances arise beyond their control, but being STUPID is a choice, not a circumstance.
I know I sound harsh, but I am just tired of people/comrporations trying to find someone/anyone to blame for their own stupidity.
I vote for MLD
Michael, you said “In the meantime, while the church should be stepping up in prayer and unity in the face of these crises, we’re too busy ripping the hide off each other over bad language and prayer styles to bother…”
Amen. Not only that, the reality is the church (comprised of individuals) are going to have to do a better job helping one another. I’ve given thousands to the local church over the years and during a recent economic downturn in my life, I haven’t received even one call from anyone at that church offering even a bag of groceries.
That, in my opinion is deplorable and shameful. The bulk of the money brought into most local churches goes to maintain the building facilities, salaries, benefits of the staff, etc.
Is that what it means to bring your ‘tithe’ into the storehouse? I don’t think so.
MLD, you’ve got 2 votes. You’re on your way. And Michael got out of the industry just in time, because I sure don’t want to push him into the sea.
gotta get busy … thanks all for taking the edge off of this looming unknown today, for me at least
MLD, I’m with you!
MLD
We will form a “grass roots” committee. Hopefully Round Up won’t be used!
FYI**the church (comprised of individuals) are going to have to do a better job helping one another. I’ve given thousands to the local church over the years and during a recent economic downturn in my life, I haven’t received even one call from anyone at that church offering even a bag of groceries.**
This sums it up and FYI is not the first to hit this invisible wall in a local church - not by a long shot - we want to keep our down-and-outers down and out and at arms length
are things still in that ‘downturn, FYI?
‘ can’t seem to break away from this thread, but I must
I was wondering what to do with my vote - now I’ve got a write-in candidate
Didn’t MLD say this was someone else’s thoughts? “This guy has a plan and I think it will work ” I want to know who “this guy” is. What if it is Perot?!
Of course, MLD as president would be interesting!
There you go…………………a Ross Perot, MLD ticket!
MLD
You too can be standing at the entrance to Air Force One like I was in my gravatar.
Just to be clear, FYI at 8:14 is NOT fyi who posts occasionally here.
That’s hilarious! Protecting a pseudonym! Okay, how’s FYI The Second?
MLD
You can post your 95 reasons why you should be president on the White House door.
Your both carzy!
At least they aren’t crazy! Okay…going back in my hole….
THAT’S FUNNY!!!
MLD..I like the plan and Michael if all mortgage debt would be paid off, they’d have to re-write the tax code…no more huge mortgages with interest to offset income. The CPA’s and tax attorneys might object, though.
You know, though, giving that much money to people is a little akin to winning the lottery….have you seen all those pitiful stories of folks who won the lottery and within 5-10 years had lost everything?
I once sat on a plane next to a debt collector. I asked, “who are the worst for not paying their debts?” He said “semiconductor engineers and doctors”. That was in the 80’s when those 2 professions were at the top of the earning ladder. Income didn’t seem to help them
fyi FYI2 -
Thanks for the clarification. That was starting to get confusing.
Bob -
“You can post your 95 reasons why you should be president on the White House door.”
HA!
Speaking of sound fiscal policies…my husband and I planned to sell the house, buy an RV and hit the road for a year when he retired (he was one of those workaholics)…well, he retired in a RE downturn and the house wouldn’t sell…so, we finally bought a used 25′ RV and hit the road anyway while we waited…what we learned was that we didn’t need any ’stuff’ to enjoy life…now I’m looking at selling another house and getting rid of stuff and that ’stuff’ is all ’stuff’ that was necessary for the house…there’s something wrong with this…
course, when the snow comes, it’s nice to have heat and a roof…
Has there ever been a Lutheran President?
ummm, MLD can run for office and the guy who compiled the list can be the power behind him…it’s always a personality boy up front and somebody (unknown to us) pulling the strings behind the curtain
Sarah, praying for your health, too
MLD~ The math in the equation you posted is way off! I’m surprised at you
85billion/200million isn’t $425,000 per person.
Besides that, the person who wrote that bogus projection can hardly speak English.
Anyone care to do the math?
And just think MLD, you had people lining up to vote you in as El Presidente!
Would you believe $425.00 per person?
Thanks Scott!!
Fred, bingo.
I don’t know about you, however, where I come from there’s a HUGE difference between $425,000.00 & $425.00
I figure MLD does math the same way the government does, so I’m still voting for him.
I’m guessing somebody does math like I do…what’s a few zeroes? Funny, I was listening to the hearing yesterday and thinking, ‘well, at least, they’re not talking trillions’ … but the 85 billion isn’t the whole package, it’s just this particular go-round…anyone know the figures we’ve already ‘invested’ or who else is expected to show up with their crisis hands out?
hey, everyone.
Didn’t see any Joyce Meyer books at my local Lifeway…though I did see plenty of Beth Moore and Kay Arthur.
Good discussion on the financial stuff. Bummer that MLD was off; I already had that money spent
News is leaking out now that these Politicians are loading up this bail-out bill with all kinds of pork barrel earmarks, or else, they won’t vote for it. Not very surprising. In addition, some of them want money to bail out bad car loans, bad credit card loans, student loans, etc. This is an ugly picture developing here.
Will they cover me if I run out real quick and rack up a bunch of loans, or have I missed the boat on “freebies” again??
Scott
Where do I get in line for the student loan bail out?
it is time for the politicians to practice a little ‘tough love’ and tell a bunch of spoiled brats ‘tough luck.’ As voters, perhaps we should underscore that message to the politicians.
But isn’t being “tough” against us as a whole as Christians? Aren’t we supposed to just stand from the outside and shrug?
AMEN FIL!
I’m on the verge of bankruptcy because of a declining housing market over the past two & half years. Can I send in for a voucher to cover the 150k I lost building homes? NO!
Yet, it dawned on me today that even though my Bank took the houses back from me, they are going to be able to package all of their losses & illiquid loans and have the taxpayers (under this bail out) cover their losses! At least that’s how it appears.
Has there ever been a Lutheran President
Ps. 62,
LOL.
If there was, he probably would look down at his shoes and mumble something about it.
Paul Simon (not the singer!) from southern Ill. was a very influential and respected senator, from downstate Ill. I think he founded or cofounded Bread for the World. Obama has cited him as a role model in one of his books.
I meant to say that Simon was a Lutheran.
Lutheran
Paul Simon had the biggest ears that I have ever seen! He always wore a bow tie.
Thoughts:
I wish I could check out the Desiring God conference this weekend…
Barton’s article this week at FTA is very good…
Prayer people, please remember Steve McCoy’s wife.
neue magazine has a lot of good articles….so has iMonk, as of late.
I’ll probably end up getting the ESV Study Bible. Though I can’t really think of a reason why - I’ve got too many Bibles as is, including some good study Bibles: MacArthur, Reformation, NIV, Spirit of the Reformation. Am I being swayed by Crossway’s marketing campaign?
BrianD,
You can have study bibles, but do you STUDY the bible?
Ahhhh. The crux of the matter
It is excellent for me to study the Bible, choosing from one of the many copies I already own.
It’s also good for me to take care of some things…some of which make it necessary for me to get out of here for a while.
Later, everyone.
Doesn’t a Study Bible do it for me?
…or is that the room you keep it in?
fil,
Depends on whether you get the hard back generic or calfskin leather, jewel encrusted, refridgerated, solar-powered version…..
We should market the Steady Bible which won’t fall off your lap…or the Sturdy Bible whose binding will have a lifetime guarantee and pages won’t tear…or the Studly Bible where all the personal pronouns are male…
Or the Stately Bible which gives the appearance of culture and sophistication….
…or the Stymie Bible–very difficult to get into…Stuffy Bible whose pages are made out of tissue paper…I’ve got too much time on my hands.
…or the Stanley Bible- takes you to Atlanta and gives you an accent
…or the Stanza Bible- sings its own hymns….
TonyP and filbertz, too silly
Dusty,
Yes, but did you SMILE??
yes…thanks for that.
My pleasure. Feeling better I hope?
yes, better than yesterday.
Outstanding. I’ll keep you and Buster in my prayers.
thank you so much.
You are more than welcome. How did Buster’s first day go if I may ask?
So far his week is going very well. He has already connected with a Christian family in the area to fellowship with.
Scott,**Yet, it dawned on me today that even though my Bank took the houses back from me, they are going to be able to package all of their losses & illiquid loans and have the taxpayers (under this bail out) cover their losses! At least that’s how it appears**
you got that right, I’m pretty sure…
toss all the bankers into the sea, I say
Amen! Isn’t it amazing that everywhere we go there are brothers and sisters to help uplift us?
Romans 8:28 “And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love Him, who have been called according to His purpose.”
Amen Tony.
Dusty,
Distance can be difficult, but it makes coming back together that much more sweet. Seven months into my marriage I had to go to sea, and spent My birthday, our anniversary, and her birthday apart. But when I saw her form the rail of the ship, I was just stunned and overcome with emotion. We went over 12 years in August.
“My” with a little m…..
“form”? from…..man, fat fingers are rampant today……
Linnea,
I’ll see what I can do about posting a summary. Might take a while. I really shouldn’t be going to this conference ’cause it’s the weekend before report cards and parent conferences. I’m kind of a glutton for punishment, but I really want to go to this conference. Praying that the Lord multiplies my time (whatever that means).
Speaking of bible study, does anyone else use e-sword???
Tony, thanks for sharing that with me. So sweet.
I know what you mean about “Distance can be difficult, but it makes coming back together that much more sweet”
When we were first married Buster worked across the country for two years…I only saw him every other weekend. This is only for one year and me going to visit him will be much easier that is was years ago….and I get to see him every weekend this time.
happy Anniversary.
we use e-sword
Dusty,
Thank you. It’s great that you’re in a position to see him every weekend. That really does help. When I was courting my wife I would drive from San Diego to Pahrump,NV every weekend. Ahhhh…..the things we do for love
Dusty,
Isn’t it the coolest? The part that floored me when someone told me about it was that the guy who did it made it free! It has more stuff to it than I have been able to use so far.
And speaking of seeing loved ones…..I must “away”……
God bless you all
Hi Dusty and TonyP and Captain Kevin
CK…no worries about a summary, I just hoped you’d post some of the things that made an impression on you.
I understand about progress reports and teacher conferences….gird up those loins, parents can be brutal
I will pray for time and efficiency to be multiplied this weekend.
Dusty…so glad Buster is doing well and that you had a better day today
TonyP:
I personally use Logos software, but when I teach classes I give away a cd with E-Sword on it. It is a fantastic program! I highly recommend it.
James tells us to pray for wisdom. I would say the financial mess many of us are in qualifies. He also says these trials lead to the perfecting of our faith. We must need a lot of perfecting
One thing I do know He has never abandoned His people, nor forgotten His covenant.
Stuff comes and goes but I will admit I hate the pain of the process.
TonyP…I like e-sword, but have found that if I remember a part of a verse and not the reference, if I type what I know into google, it will get me the verse reference very quickly!
howdy everyone!
The times they are a changin’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vou4qUu5YY&feature=related
And Joshua Guild doesn’t understand why he got himself banned from the Phoenix Preacher???
Check this out:
http://holytriage.info/index.php?/archives/435-Hell-is-the-Biggest-Lie-told-by-a-Majority-of-Churches.html
FYI” Amen. Not only that, the reality is the church (comprised of individuals) are going to have to do a better job helping one another. I’ve given thousands to the local church over the years and during a recent economic downturn in my life, I haven’t received even one call from anyone at that church offering even a bag of groceries.”
An Amen, In my life I pretty much attended three churches about eight to ten years each. In each of these churches I gave much of my free time, which does not mean anything what so ever in the modern Jesus economy, and I gave what money I had, which did not mean much either because I did not have. A sin on my part. I just stopped attending this last church, not because they did not want to help, but because the memories of my failings just did not go away, I did try to reconcile, but I failed, another sin on my part.
When my sister got sick and sense passed away the amount of income spent was well into the tens of thousands, then supporting other family issues I am still paying on it. I almost fell one time and went to the church to ask, mainly for moral support but repented of that. I did ask for a pastor to say my sisters funeral, I still feel a bit guilty about that, though the pastor was fine with it, he is a good man.
Now when I was really down and out, and totally desperate and needed someone to talk to at the utter lowest point in my life. I went to a Catholic church, walked by the big Marry to the rectory and was invited in. This priest about 80 years old, whom had seen it all or heard it all sat with me. He listened to my confession so to speak. He listened for about an hour or so, did not say a word, did not really make a sound just listened. Then offered some basic though sound fatherly advice, put his hand on my head, I almost ran out of the room on that one, but kept in the chair and said your your forgiven not the exact words.
I know the CC stand on confession, I know how repugnant that is the the protestant ear, it is truly only me and God ONLY. In the real world people to people outside of work and with in faith communities, this was the first time I heard that phrase ever uttered to me with out the “there is no way you can be” in front of it.
He did not have contempt for me, he did not loath my very breath and presence, I was not a “walking ministry” to be fixed. I was just brian, a human being with an actual soul that was restored. Now of course after I walked out of the rectory all the “you apostate, liar, filth, spiritual whore, traitor, compromiser, etc” yes my evangelical faith the “gift” that keeps on giving.
I dont share this lightly and never for the Ah poor brian effect. My point has always been, there are many out here like this. You see FYI I was always one of those that would notice when someone from the fellowship was gone, and I would call. One guy got the boot one time from a fellowship for not forgiving, caugh hack on that one pot kettle etc. I went to his new fellowship and sat down behind him, he looked wided eyed at me and I merely asked, do you need any money. He about fell off his chair, he said no but was so taken back at the offer. I dont say that again for accolades as in many ways I wish I was more of a selfish so and so, life with in the faith would be much easier.
Dont get me wrong I really am a selfish so and so at the top of the list as I have no illusions about me. But I think you get my point.
If you are like me, I’m not sure what is going on with this economic crisis. I listened to the President tonight and his explanation and plan to deal with the problem. I just am not sure what this crisis is all about still. I found a short video that GMA had on it from this morning and if it is of any help check it out. Thomas Friedman an award winning columnist from the NY Times has one of the easiest to understand explanations I’ve heard so far.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/
Captain Kevin, your 7:52 post fell into the spam filter. I fished it out.
Kevin,
Wow. No hell he says.
I gave Joshua the benefit of the doubt. I really didn’t understand why DMW and Hopkins and others challenged him so forcefully on FTA. Now I do.
Driscoll would call him a wingnut, if not worse; I suspect some of us might do the same
Maybe instead we should tell him the truth in love if the opportunity comes up.
Puz,
What really scares me is that the people supposed to fix the problem seem to not understand the magnitude of it either! I guess a lot of these bundled “high risk” mortgages were sold globally.
I just read on the drudge report that Hong Kong had a run on its banks.
Because of global trade and debt, we are all in this together, but it appears as if the world economy expects the American taxpayer to take the hit.
Linea,
It seems the old addage is correct: When America sneezes the whole world gets pneumonia.
Thanks Brian. Joshua is a very nice guy and I wish him no ill will. Nonetheless, when it comes to Bible interpretation, he is definitely a “wingnut.”
Joyce Meyer:
She teaches the “Born Again Jesus” doctrine. Considering “we” need to born again because of our sin, and Jesus was impeccable in every way, I call that kind of teaching heresy. I “do” have audio to prove it.
Captain Kev:
I wish I was in Phoenix for this conference. I was there the end of August, an the friend I was visiting goes to SBC. The people I met were wonderful.
Also spent one day in Sedona. I don’t think I’ve ever seen so many “psychotic reading centers” condensed into one area in my life. Even Miami with all the Santeria centers couldn’t match that.
Peace….
Hi Eric,
Yep, gotta watch out when you’re in Sedona that you don’t get sucked into the “Vortex.” Jeep tours are great! Never been to SBC, but really looking forward to this weekend. It’ll be air-conditioned. Blessings to you.
I will be off blog for a few thanks all and I wish you the very best, hope to return next week sometime. God bless.
BrianD: I initially stood behind Joshua and tried to hope the best and actually encourage and bring out the best in him.
However, it became apparent over time that he was not just expressing opinion nor just being unclear or cleverly nuanced in his online expressions; but was seeking to draw others after his heretical doctrines. He steadfastly refused to learn at all.
I took the lead and engaged the other pastors and Michael behind the scenes to deal decisively with Joshua as a false teacher, not as an individual blog participant.
Vic,
Thank you for taking that necessary action. Refusing to learn at all is a clear sign that ego has gotten a foothold … yikes. Joshua is clearly a danger to himself and others at this point … very sad.
Ohhh … to remain completely faithful to the truth while also remaining humble and teachable. Lord, may it be so ….
Like I said: I had no idea.
Good on you guys for doing what you did.
Forgive me, all, for doubting any of you and not supporting you.
Thanks Vic for helping to watch out for us “sheep.”
BrianD, no worries, you erred on the side of grace. Can’t fault you for that.
brian, hope all is well. Look forward to seeing you back next week.
Ahoy, Blogmates! Off to teach my crew. Have a blessed day, and may you have the wind of the Spirit in your sails today.
CK, teach well and truly.
God bless
“China banks told to halt lending to US banks-SCMP”
http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSPEK16693720080925
thanks for the links
We need to pray for Joshua. He is truly diluted theologically. He is almost childish and very hodge-podge–mix and match in his thinking…I sometimes wonder (and I mean this) if there isn’t some biological disconnect.
He built a theology that had no system at all–a little of this and a little of that. In the end, all he’s succeeded in doing is building a theological version of Frankenstein’s monster
Unfortunately, when he first came here, we had a little input into him. He seemed receptive to Brian, and Vic and even me (who gave him the hardest time) But as time went on, he became more and more ensconced in his views and the window of opportunity closed.
Hey guys, Can I change the subject and share a little of my heart? I am scared about this current economic thing. I’ve seen America pull itself out of some deep holes in my 57 years of life but this one has me worried. Any of you feel the same way?
I know it’s early but how are you navigating this crisis. It could mean the collapse of America just like the Soviet Union several years ago.
Is Bill Clinton stumping for McCain?
Does Sarah Palin exist?
Could the Dodgers and Angels tangle in the World Series or is it a better bet the Cubs and White Sox will meet?
PETA wants womens breast milk used in ice cream for Ben and Jerry’s!
Letterman really nailed McCain last night, especially when he showed a live feed of him preparing to speak with Katie instead of being on his show!
Larry King and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had such a nice chat. Mahmoud charmed Larry with his insights on the Jews and nuclear issues. I never knew he had three children and he looks so young! Larry must learn to not cut off Mahmoud during his ten minute responses.
Newt Gingrich says the bailout is a disgrace and needs to be drastically reworked.
Alan Colmes was rumored to voice an opinion on Hannity and Colmes this week!
I don’t think Keith Olberman likes us.
World Net Daily exclusive…. “Groundbreaking investigation reveals truth of Scripture you’ve never been told” With a foreward by Bill O’reilly!
* There’s a character in the Bible called a “dumb ass”
* Underwear didn’t disintegrate despite 40 years of heavy use
* The worst case of hemorrhoids in history is recorded
Nancy Grace spends 123411 consecutive days covering the Anthony case! This just in…… shocking new details revealed. Ratings or true concern?? You decide…
Our national debt goes up over one million dollars per minute!!
The beat goes on.
Steve, Sorry to post a light hearted post, not knowing what you had posted.
I honestly don’t know who or what to believe any more. The idea that a small group of folks could put us on the financial brink is unfathomable. Seems there is corruption of the worst sort everywhere without a care for the citizens of our nation.
“It could mean the collapse of America just like the Soviet Union several years ago.”
Yes there is a very real crisis, but as in all things people will get through this. Yes even ungodly ones will prosper.
Our faith is never in the system and the current crisis should prove it.
For those who are close to eviction with no where to go I realize these are empty words. I wish I could help further.
I brought up Nancy Grace because she represents the power of the media. With her nonstop coverage of the Anthony case you end up with people at the Anthony home where anything could happen.
What if Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity said it was time to pull your money from the banks as financial calamity was unavoidable? Do they have enough clout to create a crisis? Everything is so media driven these days and sad as it is, the media has their bias. And it impacts society.
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I am not concerned about the US collapsing. I am against this bailout. The government is going to become the classic “enabler”. These banks made bad loans hoping to make a profit. Its consequences, just like you and I have to face.
Bob, What happens if they can’t agree on a bailout in say, the next week. Seems folks are all saying the results could be terrible for the economy and our nation.
Bob,
AMEN! The other point I heard is that this will also save some foreign banks as well?
Erunner
I don’t believe the threats.
Besides, GW, one of the “big guys” can write a check.
Bob, I pray you are correct. It seems many are stating we have no idea how terrible this could turn out to be.
I know a few of those “big guys” and I’ll get right to work!
Gotta get ready for city officials to come over as I’m having my own crisis with a remodeling job done through them. God bless!!
I some how don’t think this is a simple problem to solve. The bail out is only a bandaid me thinks. It’s going to take a lot more than that to solve this crisis
The bail out is only delaying the enevitable,
Its putting a huge burden on the taxpayers,
that they will have to bear one way or the other,
and the mess will be even greater after all the politicains,
financial gurus and corporate crimals have gotten their golden parachutes,their financial relief,
and bottom line,
the common people will continue to suffer the fallout
Erunner
Thanks for your concern…no problem!
sister
I think higher taxes in the near future will become our part in helping save the country. We will also need to ween ourselves from our addiction to credit and the banks are going to have to toughen up on loans. It’s a big problem and we all have to share in solving it
Steve, I agree. As long as people, in the case corporations, can do as they like, because there will always be someone to bail them out, they will learn nothing.
When I taught history, I used to tell my students, “The greatest assets of our nation are also its greatest liabilities.” Fir instance, the Constitution, will all of the freedoms it guarantees, is also a liability because of those freedoms. Capitalism (free enterprise) is a wonderful economical system, but it is also a liability.
Our government spends money because they can print it, or borrow it from other countries. It all has to stop somewhere, sometime. The Russian government was not stable enough to withstand the collapse of the economy, I believe our government is. We (the US) are not going to solve our problems by printing or borrowing to turn around a bail the irresponsible corporations out of the mess they created. There are still strong banks and corporations out there. I bank with Washington Mutual. Their stock is selling for less than $2.00 a share, down from around $30. If I had the money, I would buy as much WAMU stock as I can. Why, because a stronger bank will buy them out. The government should just stay out of it!
“I am not concerned about the US collapsing. I am against this bailout. The government is going to become the classic “enabler”. These banks made bad loans hoping to make a profit. Its consequences, just like you and I have to face.”
Bob,
its just shifting the money…
The banks made boatloads of money,
The Ceos and Cfos made millions of bonuses,
Lenders made tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars on loans that should have never been made in the first place.
In my estimation, the unethical practice of putting so many people in high risk loans…
with banks/lenders only hedge of protection being counting on home values to increase exponentially…should these people walk away from loans they had little to no investment in when they realized they couldnt afford what they had been sucked into…
was criminal.
Centorion was right.
Its greed run amuck…
and now its time to suffer the consequences
We need to remember one thing about financial markets - it is all based on confidence, there is nothing tangible in the financial markets.
If word came out that Oregon housing would triple in value in the next year, all of Scott’s homes would sellout in short order.
So, the point of the bailout is to restore confidence in 2 areas, (1) in the markets themselves and (2) that the leaders in both government and Wall Street can handle a severe problem.
On first thought, I am against the bailout - because I am vengeful and like to punish people. However, that is a no win.
But let me tell you what does give confidence (but we never seem to do it) - if the government announced today that from now on, we will have nothing but a balanced budget, worldwide markets would skyrocket, the dollar would get healthy and oil would drop in price by 50% and all of that would happen before anything was actually done.
Aside from that, Newsweek has a short article that even speaks to the issue how the government could turn a profit on the bailout. Newsweek is no friend to Bush and Paulson so it is worth the read.
I will put the link in a separate post since my links end up in PP jail
Steve,
“I think higher taxes in the near future will become our part in helping save the country.”
Higher taxes without…. Righteousness,
accountability and fiscal reponsibility,
will not go very far in helping this country out of its debacle
“We will also need to ween ourselves from our addiction to credit and the banks are going to have to toughen up on loans. It’s a big problem and we all have to share in solving it…”
This one I would highly agree with.
France for example has very stable home prices
Life is more expensive and you will not find the extent of the luxurious living found here,
Yet in many respects, due to their much stricter lending practices
there is far less abuse.
I was told if you bounce a check in France,
One cannot have a checking account at ANY bank in the country for 5 years.
Be assured theres not many bounced checks going around over there.
and theres not many foreclosures on the books.
They have a boatload of other problem though…
Righteousness exalts a nation
Newsweek article
http://www.newsweek.com/id/160780
My Newsweek link is stuck in moderation.
MLD~
I hope to read the Newsweek article later,
Appreciate you posting it,
I have some really good Forbes and articles from other reputable financial newswriters, but I lost the link…
Nevertheless,
Wishful thinking and consumer confidence only goes so far…
People cant buy houses on wishful thinking,
most people buy houses these days on credit, not cash.
If the lenders have imposed credit tightenings on steroids,
people cant buy houses, plain and simple,
until either the banks ease up on lending,
or prices drop to where people can pay for them in cash and can avoid the banks.
I can have the utmost confidence in bonds, stocks, gold and oil,
but if I dont have the money to buy them,
my confidence doesnt get me very far.
sister,
In the end, the banks MUST lend money - that is the ONLY way that they make money.
They cannot payout interest on deposits and not bring anything in.
I am a mortgage lender in the middle of this as bad as Scott is in the building trade. It’s nasty right now, but I have a stack of loan files on my dest, just waiting for the banks to loosen up - and they will. (I may starve to death in the mean time
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MLD~ I don’t have anymore houses, the Bank took them back.
On another note, I never did make a boat load of money on anything I built. I was always very fair and equitable in my margins. I essentially provided myself with a job. In hindsight, I probably missed the boat on that. What difference did it make? I’m going to lose everything anyways. And my “Friends” are nowhere to be found.
Regarding the ‘Bail-out’, I think the Fed stands to gain tremendously by this move. These assets will eventually begin to appreciate, as they sell them off, that money will flow back into the federal coffers. However, does anyone really believe they’ll give it back to the taxpayers? Heck no! The Politicians will use it to expand their programs! They always do.
Scott,
I know your situation. My point with your houses was the only difference between selling them and losing them was ‘confidence’ in the market.
Nothing tangible changed about the houses, people just lost confidence.
As to the bailout, I guess that is one of the sticking points. Where does the money go when it is returned? This is where you can see that it doesn’t matter who we vote for, President or Congress, because they will all keep it and 4 years from now (next election cycle) will brag about how well they invested the people’s money.
The Congress reached an agreement on the 700,000,000,000 bailout. Isn’t it amazing how they sit on their panel sounding like their all tough. Posturing for the voters!! Then they all role over. I believe they knew what they were going to do before the hearings. They just needed to put on a show for the public.
heard this AM on TV
in 2005 there was a bill before Congress to put meaningful regulation on Fannie and Freddie:
1-all the Democrats voted no, ‘leave em alone’
2-all the Republicans voted yes to regulation, ‘they’re running amok and will ruin us all’
someone said, the golden parachutes are an excellent idea…, give one to each of these guys, take em up to 18000 feet and push em out!
(probably not new, but first time I heard)
I’m thinking … (after going thru the list of canons, my brain is bruised), that smart people have converted their dollars to pounds and opened an account with Barclays… can you do that inside an IRA?
also, since we are at then end of the quarter (don’t know when the banking year ends, anymore), is this rush to get ahold of more money just to make things look less scary on the books? also, since the gov’t prints money at will, why can’t we all move our assets into foreign currency and tell em to go ahead and print all the dollars they need…it would make loan repayments really cheap, wouldn’t it? … they’d do ‘that’ to us if they could…
then = the … just in case someone actually reads what I post
Psalm62,
Aggregious error in typing noted……see, I read your posts
Psalm62~ The propaganda machines on all sides are in full force right now. It’s like the “Shock & Awe” mentality.
People are already weary with all the info. and terminology, much of which none of us understand anyways, that we’re ripe for the ‘compromise.’ Which is what they already agreed on anyways.
It’s a done deal.
God bless all of you that work in this arena (builders and lenders), I get a headache trying to figure out who messed up what. Electronics is much simpler.
Scott,
I’ll keep praying for you.
TY, TonyP.
Scott, you’re right … I’m wishing you weren’t, tho
Here is an article I wrote about my thoughts regarding the NW Pastor’s Conference.
http://ryancouch.wordpress.com/2008/09/25/nw-pastors-conference/
CNN reported that protests against the bailout have begun in 20 cities around the nation. One that they showed was on Wall Street. You don’t know what to believe with so many contradicting opinions from “experts” being put forth.
It’s sad when you can’t trust those who are supposed to be looking out for us.
Know what would be great IMO … I wish McCain would come out of this White House meeting that’s going on right now and say, “That’s it! I’ve had it with the corruption. I’m resigning my candidacy. Get yourself another boy!”
Buffett wailing the sky is falling? There’s something about that fella… bet all his liquid assets are in a British bank…
I think I’m ready to give this thread a rest…I can’t take two brain fries in one day
God keep
Erunner, FOX just interviewed a Kentucky congressman (senator?). 25 years a stock broker and he was very outspoken against this bailout. I came away thinking (as Scott just observed what isn’t propaganda now?) that all we’re doing is saving some rich guys, not the U.S. (as in ‘us’)
and I really, really am thru pontificalizing now…
Just think of the education all of us simpletons have gotten this week.
I’d never even considered terms like:
Mark to Market
Swaps
Commercial Paper
Derivatives
Hybrid Securities
Futures
Forwards
Hedge Funds
Investment Banks
And the list goes. My eyes are rolling into the back of my head. Go ahead, hurry! Pass that bill! LOL!
I will vote for McClain if he has the courage to cast a negative vote on the floor of the Senate.
Oops McClain is my boss, that should read McCain!
Sister C
I certainly am desirous for a godly nation but your illustration of France’s economic stability and righteousness kind of fail…me thinks…France is one of the most godless nations in all of Eurpose!
I’ll vote for McCain no matter how he voted. At least he went on record and did what he felt was right. Obama won’t even do that…he doesn’t want to have to explain his decision later! McCain is a leader Obama is a poser
“Obama is a poser”
Steve,
Like this?
http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flipflopsp1.jpg
I began my discussion of the Living the Cross Centered Life book today on my blog
http://briandblog.wordpress.com/2008/09/25/book-discussion-living-the-cross-centered-life-introduction-and-chapter-1/
I’m also posting daily (or semi-daily) linkathons at my blog now…you’ll also see many (if not all) the links at PP, BrianDblog and FTA on Wednesdays. Here is today’s edition:
http://briandblog.wordpress.com/2008/09/25/daily-linkathon-925/
If ya’ll are interested, here’s an article regarding Fannie Mae written in the NY Times back in 1999.
”From the perspective of many people, including me, this is another thrift industry growing up around us,” said Peter Wallison a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. ”If they fail, the government will have to step up and bail them out the way it stepped up and bailed out the thrift industry.”
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0DE7DB153EF933A0575AC0A96F958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1
“I certainly am desirous for a godly nation but your illustration of France’s economic stability and righteousness kind of fail…me thinks…France is one of the most godless nations in all of Eurpose!”
Steve,
You are right, France is one of the most godless nations in Europe, if not one of the top ten in the world…
No, I wasnt holding them up as an example of righteousness at all,
just that they are more fiscally responsible in the credit arena,
Sorry if my thoughts are coming through jumbled today,
its been a really rough week for me…
“…bet all his liquid assets are in a British bank…”
we have been transferring funds over to euros,
You know people are asking even in the grocery store,
where are we to put our money, wheres the safe place,
Jesus didnt say to lay your treasures up in heaven for no good reason,
Sister C
We love ya anyway
Here’s what my district’s Congressional Representative had to say on the floor of the house today. I totally concur with his sentiments, even if he is a Democrat!
http://www.defazio.house.gov/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=435
Can someone fish out my last post?
Thank you
Scott,
Done