McClure Announces Potters Field Shutdown , Raises More Questions Than Answers…

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  1. Hmmm … Another white (do any black pastors exist in Calvary Chapel ?) , calvary chapel pastor who is a REPUBLICAN mayor of Thousand Oaks … For an example of Calvary Chapels right wing bent and PRIME cheerleaders for the Porn Star president … please see Raul Ries webpage where he informs us that Donald Trump is a gift from God in His Mercy to His church … So lets see … Donald Trump has lied about paying $130 million in hush money to Porn Star Stormy Daniels 3 days after the Access Hollywood tape where Trump stated that as a celebrity he could grab a womens P**** (His words not mine) … He had sex with Stormy Daniels when his THIRD wife was at home raising their 1 year old … and then paid $130 million to cover up … THINK IT’S SAFE TO SAY THAT RAUL ISN’T REALLY HEARING FROM THE HOLY SPIRIT THESE DAYS … Chuck Smith refused a salary for years … Raul claims Chuck as a mentor … Hey Raul … why don’t you follow your mentors step here …

  2. Michael says:

    Hopefully, the video is working now…

  3. Michael says:

    Nope…efforting…

  4. Madj says:

    There are plenty of black pastors in CC, but most of them are associated with CGN, largely due to Brian Brodersen actively promoting diversity in the movement.

  5. Bob Sweat says:

    This should be no surprise to anyone.

  6. Michael says:

    video is now working on my end…hopefully on yours too…

  7. Jessica says:

    This is kind of the same tone speech when Coy got the boot and the announcements we heard. And that is when I saw the light. CCA has no intention of accountability and served up the Kool Aid in the back table per McClure. The only way things will change is if people stop attending, stop donating to CCA. No need for Housekeeping McClure instead knock the house down. In the meantime the Rozells go off to their wealthy lifestyle riding horses into the sunset. I am still am looking for another church and ministry that I can trust. Will keep these brave articulate young adults that cane frm PFM in my prayers. I have a feeling years from now, they will be the change needed.

  8. Jessica says:

    How does McClure say, “some of the money has not gone to the ministry and wellthat’s none of my business but McCoy you know is taking over the ministries and if you want to continue to still support it go to the table in the back”? These are the things that drive me crazy bc they don’t make sense and people listen. And I should follow and trust their Bible studies? I don’t think so.

  9. Steve says:

    Michael,. Is this the same Don McClure that was deeply repentant and took full ownership of his part in the PFM abuse scandal 2 weeks ago where he supposedly was in tears? To me he sounds like a typical politician and not one at all that cares about the kids. He he coming across more currupt than I have ever imagined. Is this just me? My perception could be off.

  10. Steph says:

    Too little, too late, Mr McClure. You’ve been caught! “Some of the money didn’t go to the kids” but now the majority of the tainted money is going to another CC!!??? You have got to be kidding me! Who in their right mind believes any of this? Do you seriously believe that CC had no idea any of this was going on? Do any of those people sitting in that audience not feel any sort of a red flag warning from the Holy Spirit that maybe they should, if nothing else, look into this a bit more?!! People throw the cult word around, and maybe a bit hastily; but the CC group as a whole has shown horrendous judgement time and time again. They also have a lot of people that follow blindly, without question. Call it what you will, but please do not call this “of God”.

  11. Steph says:

    Michael, how do you have this video and when was it taken?
    This is a very different Don than we heard about last week; I totally agree, Steve.
    The wagons have been circled.

  12. Doug says:

    No, Steve. Your perception is correct. This people are corrupt to their core. Of course Don “seemed” repentant. He did what he needed for the time being. He couldn’t act like he was complicit when several family members were victims. Now back to business as usual. Jessica, you’re also correct. He’s completely hypocritical. Steph, I totally agree. This is all so infuriating. Once again, CC seemingly gets away with corruption. Not for long. God will NOT be mocked. This is typical Calvary say little to nothing while using a LOT of words to do so. Pray that this gets more exposure.

  13. Bob Sweat says:

    Maybe Pastor McCoy will hear GodSpeak regarding decisions regarding assets of PFM.

  14. Jessica says:

    When is someone going to do a documentary on this? The Lonnie Frisbee ones were very informative. There is a lot of info that needs to get out.

  15. Steve says:

    Actually I’m already starting to feel healing coming to my own soul. I’m starting to feel my own chains coming off. To me this is much needed validation and I hope the exposure of this group continues more and more so I can be even more free and others can break the grip of bondage this group perpetuates with their mind control.

  16. Midwife says:

    Wow… I am disgusted at Don McClure’s politician response here at this conference. He had a great opportunity to share with these pastors how sad and repentant he is (was?) at the abuse these kids at PFM suffered. But noooooooo…. I saw this kind of protective behavior in the church way back in the 70s in Jesus People churches not connected to CC. To think he came on this blog that offered open hearts to hear him and then he digs right down into the filthy Calvary Chapel cesspool of denial and back hands the hearts of every victim. SHAME on YOU Don McClure! These guys (so called pastors) really think they are Gods elect do t they? Please tell me that the finances are being investigated?!?!?! These guys are acting pretty fast absorbing the Intl’ missions while placating honest blogs with what is becoming clear to me false repentance. This McClure is in deep with money and he’s doing a big job here protecting his interests!

  17. directambiguity says:

    When a 501c3 stops operating the assets are supposed to go to a “like” ministry with the same vision as the original “ministry”. Apparently, CC Thousand Oaks has become that entity.

    It’s still easy to pocket millions of dollars through salaries, retirement plans, etc., so like a said the other day Mike and Pam will most likely leave with their golden parachute intact.

    Also, reread Don McClure post again, he didn’t seem sorry at all, he made a couple of jokes in it.

  18. Duane Arnold says:

    I would encourage those who are dismayed by Mr. McClure’s remarks and his report as to what is being done (or not done) to look at the article “Is It Normal?” posted here earlier this week. Then, ask yourself a few questions…
    Is it normal, considering what has taken place, not to have complete transparency?
    Is it normal, in light of money being misdirected, not to have an external audit of the finances?
    Is it normal, as this was a leadership issue, not to give the names of the new board of directors?
    Is it normal that “the corporation has been closed” and not to indicate where the assets are going?

    All the above are normal for any ministry or church which claims to be ethically and fiscally accountable. What was outlined by Mr. McClure is not normal, especially for a 501c3 religious organization.

  19. wontbefooledtwice says:

    To ask for more money at this time seems crass. Maybe the churches that were asleep at the wheel should take over financing the ministry needs for a while, to ensure these children to not go without. Everyone might feel much better if the amount of funds left and transferred to Thousand Oaks was made public. And if there was a public accounting every three months including specific information of where the money is spent. Not just “administration fees” but full names of those receiving any money. Calvary’s are notorious for collecting money but not necessarily spending it where it was intended.

  20. Michael says:

    Duane’s article that is very germane to this topic…

    https://phoenixpreacher.com/35321-2/

  21. JD says:

    Protecting the money and assets from lawsuits and seizures is the only reason I am doing this, sheep. Now be good sheep and go to the moneychanger’s table in the lobby after the service and support the poor, innocent international victims of Corruption Chapel Kool Aid.
    A very effective and clever ploy. Satan is no doubt dancing in the asiles.

  22. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    In today’s day and age if you don’t belong to a church that is congregation controlled, you are subjecting yourself to such fraud and tragedies. You must be in a church that has constitutionally scheduled voters meetings where you can stand up and voice your opinion – such as “I think we should fire the bastard!”

  23. Bob Sweat says:

    MLD
    😂
    The problem is, some believe that sheep are too dumb to vote.🤫

  24. Xenia says:

    MLD, some of the worst churches I have ever been part of were congregation controlled. At those churches, the poor pastor was lucky if he lasted 2 years.

  25. Steve says:

    Well I admit I feel dumb sometimes when I vote but this is why I like having a church counsel that is composed of not only pastor’s and elders but deacons as well. The church counsel in reality is quite powerful and can balance the tension between the congregation and the elder board. Don’t really like having a senior pastor.

  26. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Xenia – the point being, no matter what the issue, it can come to the floor.

    Steve, we all have church councils or boards – the question is how do they get their – pastor selection or congregational vote.

    No system is perfect but in the CC system (and most independent churches) discussing church “issues” is never brought before the congregation for discussion – let alone a vote.

  27. TheGhostofBelleStarr says:

    He’s just so nonchalant about the matter isn’t he..Where is the righteous anger? He should have pounded his fist on the podium and said ” Brothers there has got to be more oversight and true accountability among us so this does not happen again , and I bear guilt in this. God forgive me ! ”
    He should have asked the audience to join him in prayer for all those hurt and victimized by these wolves. But the Moses Model fosters this. It’s not going to change with these men.
    Many of these victims were young tender hearted ones who loved Jesus and were new to the Church and ministry. They had tender hearts, unfortunately many will now be made cynical by this experience, and may be so for a very long time. Their tender heartedness was taken advantage of. This also brings reproach on the name of Jesus among the world, as once again people look at this and say
    ” more Christian hypocrisy, they are all so phony, who wants to be a part of that .” Its grievous on many levels.

  28. Steve says:

    MLD,

    We have congregational vote for every office. We are also independent. However,. A person would not even be put on the ballet to vote for without the church counsel approving the person first. This avoids the issue of congregational abuse.

  29. WWG1WGA says:

    Same as it ever was… Right Don?

  30. Michael says:

    This is not the time or place for political commentary.

  31. I don’t know Don McClure from Adam. But as an observer of this short video, I got a very Joe Paterno-esque feeling about what was being communicated.

  32. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Was Brodersen’s group of churches supporting this Potter’s Field group? I don’t think we have heard a peep out of them.
    If they have had a 20 yr run with CC I can’t imagine they do not.
    Why their silence?

  33. Michael says:

    The only reason the CCA said anything is because of McClures involvement…

  34. Steve says:

    If Don McClure is the hero in this story, it really begs the question of what this group is really trying to cover up and deflect from. Can it be worse than PFM?

  35. Michael says:

    This is getting old. McClure did the right thing as far as confirming the abuse and affirming the victims. That’s rare. Time will tell what his other involvement is.

  36. prodinov says:

    Stormy received $130,000 not 130 million and then had to pay Trump almost $300,000 in legal fees for a breach. Just correcting the first post.

  37. JM says:

    If the abuse and minimizing wasn’t scary enough, the issue of the money is also scary. I hope it will all be accounted for, but have doubts. People who can rationalize all that evil can also rationalize weird things with money.

    (I knew of a CC where the pastor took their onsite school’s tuition fund to pay for his “needs”.)

  38. Don McClure should receive credit for making a baby steo. How it came abour doesn’t matter.
    It also should be recognized that church tribal interactions are amoung the most complicated human behaviour patterns.
    For a senior member of a tribe to make even the tiniest admission of a problem, can be the coup de gras.

    Im still thinking of Michael’s recent statement that revivals are messy. I think also, that we should not expect people to be more, or do more, then they are able. The local CC leaders are not the ones to wind this situation down. I expect God will provide attorneys, therapist, friendships and family this task.

    Overall, we should be thankful.

  39. Midwife says:

    There are really great folks here. It’s good to be here. Thanks🧡

  40. I briefly met Craig Lindquist, and he gave a few sermons at our church. He seems like a kind, unassuming guy. I could believe him the opposite of the Rozzells. On the surface, a good person to take the helm of the kids’ missions.

    In told my kids about this tonight, in so many words. My son remembered the guy with the clay. I told him that yelling, screaming, getting in your face was unnaceptable no matter who it was. Then his little sister chimed in, “you block them if they get in your face, and then kick them in the nuts!” I explained that unwarranted escalation of force could also be a crime, but I appreciated her spirit.

  41. victorious says:

    New Victor
    I am glad that Craig will be stepping in to oversee the care of the children.

    I knew him and his wife for a season before he stepped into ministry leadership roles.
    He grew up on the mission field outside of CC . He and his wife are college educated in their respective fields and worked in the real world using their training before fulfilling a life long call to return and minister in Africa long term. They are both kind and caring.

  42. Donor Help says:

    Note for current monthly donors: PFM come to our CC (east coast) church 5 years ago, I signed up to be monthly supporter since I thought it was a legit organization if our CC church was supporting it. I paid the monthly support payment via our AMEX credit card. I called AMEX this morning to put a “block” on PFM so they can no longer charge my credit card. I asked AMEX if there is a way to get any of the other monthly payments back and they said I can “contest” up to 90 days back. So they are contesting the 5/5, 6/5, and 7/5/19 charges that were paid on my credit card. The reason for “contesting” it is “the organization has been shut down, there is news about it online that there may be fraud in the organization, and what they were representing may not have been what was occurring financially.” So AMEX is giving me back the past 3 months of sponsorship charges and they are contesting it with PFM. What I have learned from this – it is best to know the missionaries you are supporting personally and not just go off of a recommendation of CC (west coast).

  43. Steve says:

    Donor help. Good advice. My CC (east coast) church wouldn’t even tell me who were the board members of the church. Hence, I speak out against their lack of transparency and their unwillingness to properly vet their touring guest speakers time and time again. From Ergun Caner to PFM to GFA and the list goes on. I hope you are reading pastor Joe from philly. Actually I don’t care if you read this or not. I write to inform others.

  44. Anon says:

    How can these pastors exhort the Church week after week, preaching about the courage and faithfulness of David, or Paul only to play the coward when it matters most. THIS is the moment, gentlemen. THIS is when you lead.
    Among the glaring omissions are:

    -Acknowledging and apologizing for the hurt, while exhorting your fellow pastors to help victims in their fellowships. Educate them about how to minister to God’s kids in whatever ways they need. This is not something you whisper about at the back table, perpetuating a stigma. This is something you declare loud and clear.

    -Owning your part in the recommendation and promotion of a toxic system. This will require faith on your part, but it’s the right thing. Be doers if the word, guys! When some of these people left, they were friendless, penniless, and homeless. Just a thought.

    -Initiate an honest discussion of the failed anointed/ appointed Moses model, which is why we are in this mess in the first place.

    This whole thing is sad and tiresome. It took us years to recover from this. How do you get time back? The sad thing is, in spite of it all, we had (and still have) no plans to litigate. All we wanted was an apology.

    A heartfelt thank you to Michael for his advocacy.
    At least you tried!

  45. Robert says:

    There was a period of time not that long ago when Don McClure was flying to Whitefish once a month for many months in a row. He was teaching at PFM’s Tuesday night church service. Apparently he’s not very observant.

  46. Godlover says:

    It’s too bad Don didn’t bother to do so due diligence before speaking. The funds raised by the Rozells for the children were always solicited as “for the work we do with the children, training and sending mission interns and for the direct care and education of yhe students.” They never inferred 100% was going directly to the kids. How do you think they were able to prepare and send a whole new group of young adults every year to work in the orphanages? That costs money, people. More than the interns could afford to pay for themselves. Smoke. Vicious allegations that are unsubstantiated, with no thought to the character of the accusers. God forgive!

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