Politics and Potters Field

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  1. CM says:

    McCoy, being the lawyer he is, has bigger fish to fry in the dealing with California than a bunch of abused kids. Besides it means more exposure and notice from the Evangelical Right ===> more and better paying clients ===> higher profile job at another law firm.

    I hate to be a cynic, but maybe McCoy saw this Potters Field mess as a means to an end. Get some cred for going after church abuse, adding a couple of blurbs on his CV, a stepping stone if you like. Gets some free PR from here, Wartburg Watch and others, establishes himself as a “conservative” Christian who goes after the abusers (a*shats like Wade Burleson will then fawn over him then). He was likely this ambitious from the start.

  2. Ambition. ambition, ambition……that’s what is at the core of many who are affiliated with Calvary Cult Chapel. I remember when I had a spiritual awakening after “serving”(free labor) there for so many years….I saw so many people wounded, emotionally in pain and superficial…..yet, the organization was most concerned with building churches and church growth,,,,(aka money). Beyond disgusting, and certainly not aligned with the teachings of Christ. …..love this quote from the article, …”The reason to go to war was because dozens of young people had been spiritually, emotionally, and psychologically abused by religious despot.”….

  3. CM says:

    And to be even more cynical, maybe Jack Hibbs and John MacArthur will pay to have McCoy on retainer…

  4. Mike E says:

    Sorry but I have to bring this up because I’m not sure anyone saw I posted the other day that John MacArthur’s lawyer is also President Trump’s lawyer and she works for the Trump campaign. So what does this mean? Does it mean MacArthur is doing this to help the Trump campaign? Honest question.

  5. CM says:

    Mike E.,

    It certainly looks that way and of course he supported Trump in 2016 (despite Trump’s myriad of character flaws).

  6. Michael says:

    Mike E,

    I don’t think MacArthur is necessarily trying to boost Trump.

    What we all have to come to grips with is that a public health crisis has been politicized and the church has been swallowed up in the melee.

  7. Mike E. says:

    I understand Michael, but he is using a Trump Campaign attorney to litigate this case. Is there not something weird about that?

  8. Michael says:

    Mike E,

    Not really.
    When you get a lawyer you get the best you can afford in the area you’re litigating.
    Mac has money to burn…

  9. Duane Arnold says:

    In past pandemics, the Church was known for “works of mercy”. Now it is known (rightly or wrongly) for extremist politics and litigation.

    I think the older model was better…

  10. Kevin H says:

    I commented about this on Facebook. I’ll copy and paste part of my comment here:

    This is an astute and honorable message that may be hard to hear in some ways but is much needed.

    One only needs to peruse their own Facebook feed to realize the truth behind this message, especially for those of us who are Christians. We have become so caught up in the battles of the culture wars and political wars that it draws our attention away from the troubles and unrighteousness and hurting people in our own families and backyards. The Bible, and Jesus Himself when he was here on this earth, speak much of serving and caring for others, most especially the downtrodden and disadvantaged. God puts special emphasis on doing so within the family of God. He also places special emphasis on judging sin within the church and not being so preoccupied with the sin outside the church.

    Do our Facebook and social media feeds reflect those same priorities? I think we all know the answer to that question. What about the rest of our time and activities? To which and what are we giving greater thought and time?

  11. Shaun says:

    Duane – the older model didn’t have Facebook, blogs, and the media picking and choosing the examples they wanted to prop up to get their point across. Churches all over America are actively helping and showing mercy, but those stories aren’t sexy. Your lament is part of the problem, putting the emphasis on the wrong things, without attempting to focus on what is write. You can do both – will you?

  12. Michael says:

    Facebook and Twitter are private company and the content is basically from everyday people.

    We will print the good stuff when it’s brought to our attention…so if you have examples, show us.

    Nick Cady has some good things to say and they were printed here.

    That doesn’t change what I wrote in this piece…

  13. We have used the term..Culture War.. for many years now. But did we ever stop to ask ourselves what an actual Culture War would look like?
    Did we envision it as polemical blog post and campus debates? What if a Culture War turned out to be a struggle in which people died, and the front lines involved race, class, religion and voter preference. It does mean that the war was planned, but an event occurs and in the aftermath, people gradually start fighting becasue they felt ill will and wished harm on those not of their culture.

    That event happens to be a Covid outbreak.

  14. Kevin H says:

    Of course the church is still doing good works and showing mercy. But Duane is spot on on what the church has become “known for”. And it’s not just Facebook and social media and the internet. I couldn’t tell you how many of my personal conversations with other Christians revolve around political/culture war issues compared to how much they revolve around opportunities or active service to help those in need. And I’m not the one who usually brings up the political/cultural war topics.

    So there is still definitely good being done by the church. But is what we are becoming “known for” just because of Facebook and social media and the way mainstream media likes to portray the conservative evangelical church, or are we also adding to that impression by losing some manner of our focus and priorities?

  15. Bride of Christ says:

    Nathan Priddle, I think you meant to say ” It doesn’t mean the war was planned, but an event occurs and in the aftermath… ” Or did you actually say, ” It DOES mean that the war was planned… ” as it says above in your post? If makes a big difference so I am wondering what you meant because it is a very thought provoking post.

  16. BoC. Thanks.
    Correction: Doesn’t mean that the war was planned.

  17. Brooke Garza says:

    Michael, I appreciate what you’ve done for us, but I’m confused by this post. (PFM survivor here)
    There’s only so much I understand about Rob McCoy from a distance, but what I do understand is that he tried to shut down the ministry, and the ministry fired him months later, after a brief display of cooperation, because they have their own agenda to never lose power. What more do I want from this guy? For him to spend his life’s mission campaigning against the Rozells? I’m really quite satisfied with his efforts and consider the Rozells continuing on as evidence of their own hardness of heart and a feeble attempt to recover their former influence.
    Also, watching Rob’s video, his decision to reopen his church had nothing to do with an election and everything to do with conviction and realistic risk assessment that he tried to discuss with the local government through many conversations. Why does this article make it seem as though this was a Trump-touting move, or like McCoy ignored the abuses inflicted by the Rozells?

  18. Michael says:

    Brooke,
    What I’m saying in a nutshell is that the church in general,( in this case represented by McCoy) will fight tooth and nail for many things other than things that directly impact the core of what it means to be the church.

    While I wouldn’t say that his “life mission” should have been to campaign against the Rozell’s, I do believe that all the “authorities” involved should have finished what they claimed they set out to do.

    That being to get the Rozell’s completely out of the ministry and to insure that some form of reparations were made to the victims.

    There was much more that could have been said and done…and not just by McCoy.

  19. Brooke Garza says:

    I would love for them to be out of the ministry. But I’m not sure how that is possible in a non-denominational context. The only authority they report to now is civil (and God, of course, and He will be a faithful and just Judge that Day). There’s no further recourse available to leaders in the church, other than condemning them and not allowing them to minister to their churches / congregations. They can’t stop them from existing and desperately, pathetically, humanistically trying to revive their ministry, though.

    I’m just not sure it’s fair to call McCoy out, when realistically, he DID confront evil – to his credit: when he didn’t even have a dog in the fight, as I understand it, entering into a very corrupt, broken situation as somewhat of an objective third party mediator / closer.

    I think there are plenty of pastor leaders out there fighting the wrong battle, like you’re describing. I just think McCoy proved himself to be in the exception we want, and I want to see him honored and thanked for that.

  20. Brooke.
    The subject matter Michael raised is complicated and Evangelicals are not used to complicated. We are passive. We do not question, we are told the answers instead by our leader, in three-five headings, followed by a reinforcing closing prayer, and a one-two song selection.

    Lets set aside the big picture and narrow the aperture to just PFM. Think on these things:
    1. White Fish, MT. Where is WF? It doesn’t matter, Brooke. Yes, events could have taken place in a smaller, lesser known local. Could’ve been Buffalo Butt or Squaw Tit Gulch, or some such place, but WF will do for this discussion.
    2. It’s a big world Brooke, with a lot of big fish. WF,PFM and the Rozells are not, those big fish, not influential. Who? There are however a lot of CC’s in places bigger then Squaw Tit, and possesing more influence and gravitas then Buffalo Butt, or White Fish. There are leaders that have names actually recognized when they comment on issues.

    Now, there are also a bunch of (mostly) kids that went public with stories of exploitation. Who? Important kids, really important kids. Kids that appeared to be claiming a part in this faith. Claims that if true would make them Children of God, and accepted in the beloved.

    One of these groupings (the kids vs. all the other stuff in points 1 and 2) is not like the other. One of these groupings should should be of more concern and action then the other. Which one?

    There’s a good starting point.

  21. Duane Arnold says:

    Kevin H

    Thanks… I’m glad you got what I was saying…

  22. Mike E. says:

    Duane–for what it’s worth–I get what you’re saying too and I’m in complete agreement with you. The church has been taken over by the world system. She has lost her salt and her light. A return to her historic roots is called for. The Bride is committing adultery with the world. Can She even be distinguished from the world? The Bride should repent and cut her lover out of her existence and return to Her Husband.

  23. Duane Arnold says:

    Mike

    You must have overheard Michael’s and mine conversation today…

  24. jtk says:

    I wear my mask, I rarely complain about COVID19 restrictions, I don’t even feel insulted when I’m called a “sheep.” Our church follows the prescriptives as well.

    But do you, Michael, and others, not think it is possibly to probably that Pastor McCoy could be right in making the stand he’s making against California?

  25. Michael says:

    jtk,

    Right and wrong is almost impossible to discern at this point.
    My personal view is that this is high political theatre that could come at the cost of church…

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