Bethel, the Bible, and Resurrection Tales

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  1. Captain Kevin says:

    I feel sad for the Heiligenthals, and this whole resurrection circus gets sadder by the moment. How long can they keep this up?

  2. EricL says:

    I belong to a movement that regularly prays for healing and deliverance. I can understand why a grieving mother would pray for her child to be restored to life. However, I wonder if the church’s attention is celebrity-based. In a church that large, there must be dozens of loved ones that die every year. Do they treat all deaths to this same attention, praying for all those loved ones to be restored too? Or maybe they do this only for those loved ones who died as minors? If this is a common practice provided for every church member, then at least it’s consistent. If it isn’t done the same way for all members, then I can see it causing great hurt to those who didn’t get the “prayer for resurrection” treatment. Just my musings…

  3. MM says:

    Is people rising from the dead biblical and applicable for every generation?

    The biblical answer is yes and no.

    First it is not a normative part of the many thousands of years of biblical narrative. While the Biblical text states the life span of a human is 120 years and the Psalms puts in a practical observation of much less.

    Yes Jesus raised the dead, Elijah seems to have done so and some say Paul did the same when his listener fell asleep. However, the norm is it doesn’t happen.

    Second, regardless of a particular church doctrine, there is no indication in the Bible God stopped doing miraculous things and people rising from the dead.

    Of course I wonder, why would a person who has entered the Heavens want to return to this world of conflict?

    why then does Bill Johnson and his sons (they run the church in key positions) push these miracles in light of Biblical rarity?

    Could it be a little fame and fortune involved?
    Maybe making a “name for themselves?”
    What if this child did rise from being stone cold dead? I can’t imagine what that would do for Bethel and the Johnson family.

    I don’t know what is going on in California and I’d feel a lot better if we knew more about the circumstances of the child’s death and those involved. Yes it’s a private thing, but that seems strange when her mother has made this a “global” affair.

    Again just rambling on my keyboard. I’ll never solve anything, but I do know this;

    Regardless of what happens at Bethel Jesus is Lord over all!

    May we all live to 120.

  4. Hillbilly NonDenom (FKA JesusFreak) says:

    Personally I agree with MM that miracles have not ceased. I don’t know what to make of all of the controversy and confusion, other than to note that Satan is the author of confusion and I’m sure he wants us (believers and non-believers) to be cynical.

    Any thoughts on this guy? Pretty interesting commentary.
    https://coffeehousetheology.com/miracles/

  5. Jeff Rodrigues says:

    On the issue of those in the body of Christ praying for people to be brought back to life and declaring it by faith, it goes without saying that if the New Testament gave clear instruction on this, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. But if it was indeed valid that it’s always the will of God for someone being brought back to life in their lifetime (not referring to the time of Jesus’ return), contingent on other people’s faith in every instance, one would expect to see this happen in the early church as recorded in the book of Acts.

    Certainly in Acts 9:36-42, there was an instance in which Dorcas had died and was then brought back to life. But although this happened with Dorcas, it didn’t happen with Stephen in Acts 7, nor did it happen with James in Acts 12. Should someone claim that a lack of faith keeps someone from being brought back to life, that claim wouldn’t be valid regarding the Apostle Peter. He personally witnessed the resurrection of Jairus’ daughter in Luke 8:40-56, he was with Jesus when Lazarus was resurrected in John 11, and he had a role in the resurrection of Dorcas in Acts 9, yet Stephen and James remained dead.

    No matter how much faith one has for God to do something miraculously, it’s still contingent on the will of God in that given situation. It’s no different with physical healing. For instance, the same Apostle Paul who was used of God in healing others (Acts 14:8-10 & Acts 19:11-12) is not only the same Apostle Paul who had a bodily illness that brought him to Galatia to preach the gospel to them (Galatians 4:13-14), but also the same Apostle Paul who left a disciple behind in a sick condition (2 Timothy 4:20). Yes when someone is sick, we’re to ask God for healing, exercising faith in Him for it, but it’s still up to God to heal, no matter how much faith one has.

    One of the dangerous beliefs and practices of Bethel relates to how everything God does regarding healing is always contingent on one’s faith. If that was true, then Bill Johnson wouldn’t be wearing glasses today. That false theological mindset has the potential to shipwreck a believer’s faith when God doesn’t do what a believer presumes and expects Him to, and unfortunately that has happened with others. I sincerely hope that the faith of others doesn’t get shipwrecked due to this little girl not being brought back to life.

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