“Brother, I Couldn’t Write Those Books Today”: Inside Gospel For Asia Part 3

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  1. UnCCed says:

    For decades I endured the answer of why people “persecute” ministries (obeying Scripture) is they are contradicting the “Moses Model,” ironically reflecting more of the Caesar model than anything.
    Then it occurred to me, 1,950 years of church history also contradicted it, and I grew up.
    To REALLY twist your noodle, take a church history class, specifically regarding doctrinal development – when our doctrines were officially articulated (church councils, over 1000 years go).
    These “we have it all figured out” or “God’s blessed us because [insert some story of what ‘new’ thing they do]” attitudes quickly become bunk.
    I remember the first time I realized God wasn’t impressed with my dove, I was bummed.

  2. Nonnie says:

    “The biggest question is, if the need is so great why are there millions sitting in the bank unspent?”

    Exactly! Why would anyone give to GFA, when we now know that they have millions in the bank? There are missionaries around the world, pouring themselves into the lives of those God has brought to them, and they live on meager support and are barely making it each month. And those missionaries don’t go around to big churches giving guilt talks in order to raise million$. They serve and trust Jesus.

  3. once a cc guru says:

    Comparing GFA’s audited statement with their reports in India reveals a $90-100 million discrepancy over 2012-2014…. GFA aka KP still remains silent about it!

    Where is all that cash KP that people gave for the poor in India???

  4. Em says:

    i have no history with and only very slim awareness of GFA, but this morning one thing seems very clear to me … every Believer needs to dig into the O.T. because, if one is truly a believer in the one true God, you will fear Him…
    the O.T. does one of two things to you – IMHO – you either decide that you don’t like that kind of God and want nothing to do with Him or you realize that He is a holy, absolute and all powerful God to whom you will one day answer…
    my point is? organizations that prey on the people of God, have lost their fear of Him and that is a dangerous place to be – pray for GFA? i can do that, we all can, but they may not like His answer – they may be sorry they asked, but who knows? God have mercy indeed, have mercy on us all

  5. Jim says:

    Mark Driscoll was persecuted as well. Damn internet!

  6. Brandon says:

    This might not be a tangent worth exploring and that’s ok. Ignore if so. But as I set and read these things and hear what’s going on I can’t help but think of my introduction to GFA probably over a decade a go. They were that “cool” group that wouldn’t let Americans leave the office but instead focused on local workers going and doing (that was our perception whether accurate or not – I had friends that were signed up and in the office that talked about having to sign up for special trips to go overseas just to visit briefly). Hearing everything coming out makes me wonder how much of that talk was just to cover their butts rather than intentional missiology – it’s easy to pretend when you lock those supporting out of the real work. I ponder this now, as a worker, with similar ideals but living in the context (albeit Africa not India) and knowing how difficult that reality is -intentionally raising local leaders. I’d still say it’s the ideal when done right with lots of intentional time spent actively developing but many people are out to take advantage and will play the long game to do it. Maybe they don’t hide the work as much as it came across to me but it sure seems like a great way to control the message. Unfortunately. I’m not on the Internet as much over the past few weeks so forgive me if I’ve missed any missiological discussion.

  7. EricL says:

    GFA told a great “story” but how much of it was fictional from the very start?

    We can enjoy a good movie that is loosely “based on real events”. We know that such stories have been shaped and changed to make a great tale. We know the movie is only vaguely connected to an actual event or real person. Reality is exaggerated, events condensed, people combined into one character, and so on.

    But we aren’t talking about spending a few bucks to enjoy a movie. Many people gave hundreds or thousands of dollars to this ministry. How much of that money was misspent?

    Sadly, with all that is coming out, anyone who worked for GFA will now be considered suspect. Some good people will be sullied by KP’s misconduct.

    As for those who sat on GFA’s board or offered their “celebrity” endorsement on its website: they should be ashamed of themselves, but they probably won’t be. Not as long as their celebrity status isn’t hurt.

    As for the pastors who endorsed KP or brought him to speak at their churches, they all need to offer a public apology to their congregation. Whether they were duped by him or by other pastors who raved about him, they let a fox into the henhouse.

  8. Rob says:

    I seriously question why there needs to be huge, international, multi-million dollar organizations, in order to do ministry in India.

  9. EricL says:

    According to Christianity Today, GFA was the 2nd largest mission organization in the world by 2010, just below CRU (formerly Campus Crusade) and larger than Southern Baptist’s IMB, Wycliffe, YWAM, and all others.

    Wow, I had no idea that GFA had grown so large. If the SBC can fund 4,800 US missionaries overseas, then GFA should have had tens of thousands of missionaries. I wonder if we will ever know how many were really supported over the decades.

    All of this news about GFA saddens me. Was all that money used so that KP could build his own denomination? If so, then he has outdone L. Ron Hubbard, the jaded founder of Scientology, who left writing science-fiction because he said the real money was in religion.

  10. Scott says:

    From the CT article linked above:

    “Carnine said that as he looked further into the complaints made by former staff, he began to agree with them. He felt that too much deference was being paid to Yohannan.

    And he worried that GFA has too much control over the lives of its staff members. Most live in GFA-owned housing at the group’s campus in Wills Point, Texas. Yohannan, he said, discouraged staffers from attending a local church. Instead, they were told to turn to him and other GFA leaders for spiritual guidance. Staff members were also told that their work was more important than anything, including their families—a charge also made by the GFA Diaspora.”

    Classic cult tactic.

  11. Dennis says:

    I’m done with the “ends justify the means” mentality of so many ministry. I endured it for years in CC. Too many abusive pastors and ministry are given a pass because of past successes while a trail of damaged people are left in their wake. I don’t care how “successful” a ministry was in the past. If it was successful, it was because God made it that way for a period for His glory and His alone, not for glory of the Pastor or the ministry.

  12. Dennis says:

    *ministries

  13. Scott says:

    Also, as noted in the CT article, the smuggling in of large sums of cash into India by GFA students, pastors who were touring with GFA into India, etc. has gotten the attention of the dept. of Homeland Security. No wonder K.P.’s lawyers have told him to remain silent. After reviewing this stuff more closely, this thing stinks to high heaven.

  14. Rob says:

    OK, I’m an old timer. We used to wire money overseas (for our missions work). Does that no longer exist? Why carry cash? And, if you need to carry cash, why try to hide the fact? Aren’t there other ways to move funds? Passing around cash without even issuing receipts? Why?

    I’m really, really, wondering how hard it is to transfer funds into India. Wasn’t that hard back in my day. Have things changed? Of course, we weren’t handling 100’s of millions of dollars. One reason was a dollar went a long way in Indian (which I suspect it still does.) So, I still wonder why US/Canada are sponsoring “missions” that sound like they should be managed and funded by Indians themselves. (Yes, I know there is more than India involved…)

    And, I can’t buy that a GFA’s CFO just sort-of, kind-of, let a few accounting details fall through the cracks…oops…sorry…we didn’t notice. Uh-huh.

  15. brian says:

    I try to give directly now and when I “sense” the need of someone, what is sad is good ministries that can make a huge impact combining small gifts may lose contributions because of this scandal, The people who really need it will be the ones that really lose out.

  16. EricL says:

    The CT article on GFA isn’t as squishy as I feared. They even mention the GFA Diaspora group and Throckmorton, but fail to mention that he is a blogger or how bloggers were the main ones who brought GFA’s practices to light.

    They also mention that over $500K was smuggled into India. That’s not pocket change, unless you have the deep pockets of KP. I believe that is a felony, if it can be proven.

  17. Surfer51 says:

    Good point Dennis.

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