Calvary Chapel Amarillo Publicly Ends Support For GFA

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17 Responses

  1. EricL says:

    The snowball is starting to roll down the mountain. How much bigger will it grow? I hope that soon no one in Christian community will be ignorant of GFA’s nefarious actions.

  2. Michael says:

    We just have to keep pushing…and we will.

  3. brian says:

    I am glad he said what he said and “confessed” if that is what it is called. Can I ask sort of an off topic question about confession, Other than here and two other boards online I have “confessed” publically two times in a real world faith community. That was ten times too much and that was made very very very clear to me. First its the crying thing that bothers me, if I ever did that in a faith organization I would be accused of some sort of demonic wanting attention or some other such issue. I will admit going to a Catholic priest, and most likely I will burn for that, and he just listened. No judgement, no anger and he did not hate me for it, say I enjoyed it, doing it for attention etc. and then he forgave me. I got physically sick after that because of how much garbage I was shared about Catholics, Lutherans, Anglicans, EO, Charismatics … were all of Satan.

    It really helped when the priest did that, it should not have and it is weakness on my part for needing it but it did help. Why is it that his man can say what he said and spend so much time discussing it, I E over three minutes that is far much longer than most rank a file could ever spend discussing anything on a congregational level. I am glad he said what he said, I hope the news gets out and all that but I dont get why this confession stuff does not apply to us in the pews because it does not, never has.

  4. Scott says:

    So, where’s the discernment from these men of God who spend so much time in prayer, bible study and teaching? Millions upon millions of dollars from hard working people have been squandered because of men like this man who promoted and gave a platform to scoundrels like K.P.

    Although I appreciate his honesty at this time, I’m honestly incredulous with how undiscerning many of the so called shepherds of the sheep really are.

  5. Michael says:

    brian,

    I don’t know where you got beat up, but there are a lot of us that hear “confession” all the time…and offer the grace of God in return.

  6. Michael says:

    Scott,

    I really don’t fault most of them
    This org had a pristine reputation.
    I thought it was whacked for years, but not because of the finances.

  7. Scott says:

    Michael, I understand how on an outward experience GFA could of appeared to he pristine. However, I’m having a hard time reconciling how men like this could of been so blind. Couldn’t the Spirit of God warned him during his prayer time about hosting and supporting GFA that the money was being raised under false pretenses?

    How could he say in that confession that he still believes all the money they sent to GFA was for the “kingdom”…even if it ended up in a “bank in Hong Kong…”

    I don’t know, I’m probably being too cynical, so I’ll shut up.

  8. Michael says:

    Scott,

    I think you overestimate the spiritual abilities of pastors.
    Pastors have no special spiritual skills which is why the whole body is necessary for a healthy church.
    The Holy Spirit could just have easily warned some of the hundreds of thousands of non clergy who gave to the cause…

  9. Nonnie says:

    That is a pastor who loves and cares about those In the church he pastors.
    Respect !

  10. Scott says:

    I went back and listened to the pastor again this morning. It took a lot of guts to do what he did. Kudos to that guy.

  11. Scott says:

    I received this reply from a fellow I know from back in the 70’s. He was responding to my linking to the stories about K.P. Yohannan.

    Scott, after the last thing you posted about this I asked my friend *****, who used to edit publications for them, if there was “another side of the story.” This is what she wrote back (edited slightly): Yes Ken–
    I had not seen the article, but I was told by former GFA staff that it was coming out this week. Having just now read the article, I have to say that I believe it is accurate in its reporting. It is consistent with what I had observed at GFA during my time there (the beginnings were apparent even in 2008 when I left) and also consistent with the recent conversations I have had with former staff.
    It is all so, so sad. I hurt for my friends that have left the organization–some after being there 30 years. And I hurt for those who remain–blindly following a leader who sets himself up as a sort of god who is not to be questioned.
    K.P. needs to take the responsibility for this. But I can tell even from the CT article that he is letting others in the office–like David Carrol–take the blame. I hope the government doesn’t use this to rationalize shutting down US donations to foreign missions. … I’ve warned my friends/relatives who were major donors. I’ve cried and I’ve prayed…”

  12. pstrmike says:

    Thank you Bill.

    I would like to address this idea that is prevalent in many church circles about the things you read on the internet not being credible. While there are some exceptions, people don’t write such things with malicious intent. They have the same sense of responsibility that you took when you informed your church about the truth concerning GFA. Hopefully this experience with GFA will sharpen your discernment, and that you will realize that not all bloggers are the enemy.

    The truth will set us free.

  13. UnCCed says:

    So, the Internet is all-of-a-sudden not the place of devils?!!!
    What changed?

    What about all the fruit of the Caesar Model?
    Or, is this just another example of WHEN CCs feel like it, they’ll repent, but till then, they’ll bash anyone on anything they can while ignoring all their own traditions-nepotism, no REAL accountability, living extravagantly, public and official hypocrisy, whoredom to the Republican Party, etc.

    By the way, I do have some optimism NOW due to a few CC kings who at least seem to have learned some humility. Will they ever trust God enough to have real elders? Don’t know. However, at least they’re speaking out against some old CC idols.

  14. Jim says:

    I dropped personal support as well as church support a while before the scandal broke. I think my feelings for GFA took a dive after I tried to go visit a village where we had purchased one of about a dozen “Jesus Wells”. I was told that because of security reasons that was not possible. We could not even know the names of villages where we bought wells. I was offered a “pastor vision your” or something like that. Philosophically I want to give in relationship with people. I think it may take a while for some churches to figure this out because they simply write checks.
    FWIW, I have found a much better alternative way to be involved in Gods work in India with “serve India ministries”. I have been on the ground there with them, it’s much more hands on.
    Another way to be involved in India is trough what Bob Caldwell is doing out of Boise.

  15. Jim says:

    That was “pastors vision tour” 🙂

  16. francisco says:

    I know that this has been a challenging year for many but I was encouraged by this message from pastor B. Gehm to the local congregation as an example for others to follow.

    It can be easy for us as shepherds to simply remain quiet after endorsing a person or ministry that goes astray but we do have a responsibility not only to repent but also to inform the church publicly if necessary to protect her from further harm or deceit. Also for the sake of the hurt, the unrepentant, and the church as a whole….. we must be able to correct, reprove, and exhort in or out of season for the glory of Christ. If all private attempts at reconciliation fail, Paul provided for us an orderly process to handle the public rebuke of an unrepentant elder in a way that honors Christ. As shepherds we know how to comfort the afflicted well but also must be able to afflict the comfortable when necessary. The pastor of this local church addressees the issue with grace, brokenness, and with a spirit of meekness.

    Finally I’m coming to terms that we are not only accountable to God…………. but also to the bride of Christ this side of heaven. If there is something that we need to pass on to the next generation of faithful men is that we are to honor all men and fear only God not men. I hope that the message in the video clip blesses many as much as it did me.

  17. Michael says:

    “Finally I’m coming to terms that we are not only accountable to God…………. but also to the bride of Christ this side of heaven. If there is something that we need to pass on to the next generation of faithful men is that we are to honor all men and fear only God not men.”

    This brings me joy.

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