Calvin’s Corner

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  1. xenia says:

    While it is true that the Recapitulation Theory of the atonement is one aspect of EO soteriology, I don’t think most people have ever heard of it. I never heard of it until I was assigned some of the writings of St. Ireneus of Lyons this winter. I think the Christus Victor theory more acurrately explains how we think about these things. We do talk a lot about Christ being the second Adam ( and Mary is the second Eve, too) in our hymnography but atonement theories, even the ones we believe in, are very seldom the topic of a homily. We say that Christ came to destroy death and the devil and if we believe in Him we will be saved.

    We can say that babies are born pure because we have a different view of original sin than western Christianity. We are not sinners until we sin but we will all sin soon enough.

  2. Michael says:

    Xenia,

    I need you on speed dial when I do these shows… 🙂

  3. xenia says:

    Michael, you did a good job explaing the recapitulation theory and you are right, we do believe it to be true. Plus you said it was fascinating and didn’t say it was from the pit of hell.
    🙂

  4. xenia says:

    Orthodoxy is often criticized, especially by the Roman Catholics, because we are not keen on the development of doctrine. Our position is that the Church was handed (“traditioned”) the deposit of the faith by the Apostles and it is the church’s job to preserve what we have been given.

  5. wall on the fly says:

    I hate Calvin’s Coner… just say’n

  6. Michael says:

    Xenia,

    I want people to feel some freedom to explore all these ideas on their own…and to love their brethren in other traditions.

    They are less likely to do so if I tell them these ideas are from the pit and smell like smoke. 🙂

  7. Michael says:

    wall,

    Then by all means…don’t listen to it.

  8. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Funny, of all things I have opinions on, types of atonement theories has never been one. I would need a list – will need to look and see if the Lutherans have a view – is substitutionay one of them, or is that just a catch all for all of them?

  9. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    From – the Statement of Doctrinal Position 1932

    Of Redemption

    We teach that in the fullness of time the eternal Son of God was made man by assuming, from the Virgin Mary through the operation of the Holy Ghost, a human nature like unto ours, yet without sin, and receiving it unto His divine person. Jesus Christ is therefore “true God, begotten of the Father from eternity, and also true man, born of the Virgin Mary,” true God and true man in one undivided and indivisible person. The purpose of this miraculous incarnation of the Son of God was that He might become the Mediator between God and men, both fulfilling the divine Law and suffering and dying in the place of mankind. In this manner God reconciled the whole sinful world unto Himself, Gal. 4:4, 5; 3:13; 2 Cor. 5:18, 19.

    So does this fit in a category? I couldn’t find anything that compared atonement theories.

  10. Em says:

    it will be funny to hear Calvins Corner come on with an intro of Jerry Lee Lewis pounding the piano… i picture old John Calvin shouting, “what’s that racquet? somebody shut the door! ! !
    i wonder what Jerry Lee would sound like on the harpsichord … or was the piano already on the scene… Martin Luther probably would have loved it tho… dunno

    head is scrambled by the IRS today and this was my first time listening and it’s worth a repeat tonight

  11. Neo says:

    This was an excellent primer today, Michael! Do you think we could discuss some doctrine on my radio program sometime soon. I find this stuff fascinating and at the same time, edifying.

  12. Neo says:

    …”always the Catholics that did us in”. LMAO!

  13. Michael says:

    Neo,

    I’m exclusive to KDOV… 🙂

    I’m more than happy to come on and talk about these things…just tell me when and what the topic will be.

  14. Michael says:

    MLD,

    Luther frustrates us all by his failure to write a systematic theology. 🙂

    He was all over the place and appropriately so…if forced to pick one I would say “substitutionary”.

  15. Neo says:

    Let’s mix it up and hash it out. Very good radio, my man!

    And while the show was brilliant, the intro music does kinda suck…LOL

    What should our first topic be? Maybe the readers might contribute their ideas as well…

  16. London says:

    Talk about this…
    How does a person who is intuitive on the Myers Briggs determine if its God speaking or just their “gut” telling them what to do.
    Is there a difference?
    If so, what is it?

    There ya go…first show settled.

  17. London says:

    Oh, and you’re welcome :mrgreen:

  18. Neo says:

    London….”Like”

  19. Michael says:

    Neo,

    I leave this all in the hands of you and our readers…I’m flexible. 🙂

  20. London says:

    I’ve always wondered if people who are “prophets” are really just strongly intuitive, so cover that too ok?

  21. Neo says:

    …maybe London ought to join us as well. 🙂

    I think that both those topics, London, may lend themselves to the topic of “charisma” in the church…and how it might be mistaken for character and/or spiritual enlightenment; when in reality it is simply skill. People skills, creative genius, on stage talent…all mistaken for some kind of Holy Spirit empowerment.

  22. The Dude says:

    I could care less about what Peterson thinks. I stopped watching the NFL in the middle of the 2013 season. Then there was all the yahoo about Johnny Football Manziel here locally…..

  23. London says:

    I don’t think that intuition is a skill, but you’re on the right track.
    I think the other part of that little series can be what happens when you’re gifting goes bad. So, a person with “helps” ends up in a co-dependent relationship, a person with diseemy turns into a judgemental a-hole etc…
    Where’s the line and how do you know when you’ve crossed it, or are about to.
    I’m sure someone has done something like those topics before, but it’s something I wonder about sometimes.
    How do we take what’s good and useful in communication and human relationship skills and operate best within our spiritual giftings.
    Maybe you can get Henry Cloud to be on the show. Lol

  24. Jim says:

    Neo,

    Please be a good host and intro/outro with Michael’s elevator speech this time. He’s probably still too polite to ask.

    I was polite and said, “please”. 🙂

  25. London says:

    Diseemy sounds like an awful disease but its really a typo for “discernment”

  26. victorious says:

    Hi London . In regards to your subject of keeping the exercise of our specific spiritual gifts within proper and healthy boundaries-

    When I took the Strength Finder assessment , we were given detailed feedback that not only described what our strengths were; but, also described the type of people and giftings that we needed to interact with so that we remain balanced and within healthy boundaries of development and expression.

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