Comments, please…: Duane W.H. Arnold, PhD

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  1. Michael says:

    My fear was that I’d forget to turn the comments on for this post… well said, Duane.

  2. Duane Arnold says:

    Michael

    Many thanks…

  3. Em says:

    Was going to observe that our role models are politicians, but then … Who do the politicians model? The serpent?

  4. Duane Arnold says:

    Em

    I’m not sure that the politicians are models for what we see online in social media. The behavior of some may appear to “give permission”, but it is really up to individuals. Anonymity has a good bit to do with what we see. If anonymous, we are no longer held accountable for the things that we say or write. Often we say and write things online that we would never consider saying to someone face to face. In a similar way, when someone “hijacks” a thread to in order to ride their own “hobby horse”, it is done with the knowledge that unlike a normal conversation in which people might simply walk away and talk with someone else, online its more difficult, especially if you want to discuss the topic at hand. In real life, we know that a good conversation has to do with good manners… online, not so much.

  5. Michael says:

    I don’t think politicians are generally role models…though this President models incivility on social media, I don’t blame him for what’s inside people.
    Anonymity makes us ten feet tall and bullet proof…behind a keyboard…

  6. Em says:

    Anonymity? Hmmm… What evils lurk in the heart exposed? Makes sense.

  7. DavidM says:

    Well-stated, Duane. What has happened to civility? There seems to be more anger and vitriol than ever. Maybe it is partly to blame on how we can now so easily remain anonymous behind a nom de plume. But it is nearly impossible to now engage in a discussion where mutual respect exists, especially online. It is indeed sad.
    I love a good, robust discussion, where I know that the other person(s) is actually listening to and considering what I have to offer. The times are now few and far between. Our culture now seems to value name-calling over mutual respect.
    So, thank you for the pertinent reminder. I hope that I can continue to be civil and respectful, though I am, admittedly, not always successful! “Do unto others . . .”

  8. Michael says:

    DavidM,

    You’ve been a model for this here…

  9. Duane Arnold says:

    David

    “Our culture now seems to value name-calling over mutual respect.”

    Yes. Mutual respect requires nuance, rather than binary categories. For example, I’m left of center in my politics and right of center in my theology. So, am I a liberal or a conservative? Probably neither… or both! Or perhaps we are all complex personalities with various views on various subjects. That, however, requires engagement and mutual respect, which requires a degree of tolerance and understanding… which requires not just courtesy, but a bit of work as well…

  10. DavidM says:

    Duane, you are correct. Name-calling requires little of us, requires no “homework” or study into the person presenting the opposing view or their views. It is our culture’s default way of saying, “I am ignorant on the subject at hand”, or, God forbid, “You’re right”. I know that I’m wrong about more things than I am right. There is still much to learn.

  11. bob1 says:

    One thing I’ve noticed, especially on talk radio (which I try not to listen
    to much) is what I’d call the “outrage machine.” The talk show host
    gloms in on something with mostly symbolic meaning — a one-off, such
    as a trans individual and a public school. An issue that folks are going
    to get hot and outraged about. I’ve decided to not listen to these stations. They’re not fostering dialogue. It seems to me that they
    want to win the outrage argument, periiod. There’s little or no
    interest in a deeper understanding of the issue at hand.

  12. Duane Arnold says:

    Bob

    You see it online in threads and comments, as well. Come up with the most outrageous example you can find… and then claim that it is the norm for the opinion or position that you are opposing. It’s really the “porn” of online comments and threads…

  13. bob1 says:

    Duane,

    Yes. It’s extremely manipulative.

  14. EricL says:

    Holy Romulan Empire? I think the Fedration of Planets sent the USS Enterprise to take care of them.

    Does that answer qualify me to be a modern student?

  15. Duane Arnold says:

    EricL
    First desk at the front of the class… ?

  16. directambiguity says:

    I don’t think the Anti-Christ comes from the 7 hills but probably the False Profit does.

  17. Duane Arnold says:

    directambiguity

    Second desk…

  18. Xenia says:

    Outrage…

    As some of you know, I have been re-thinking my political views, moving closer to the right, to the extent that my husband and I are seriously considering voting for Trump, something I thought I’d NEVER say.

    But the left has overplayed their hand. Yes, I do read the outrageous things the left says on Twitter, and it’s tempting to say it’s fringe, it’s Twitter, it’s not what people actually believe, let’s not over-react. However, people I know from school, professors I admire, fellow students I am fond of… they are not fringe people yet they adhere to the worst tenets of the left: abortion any time, you are a hater if you don’t support giving children puberty blockers, etc. Basically, they hate humans. I know they hate the things that matter to me: Traditional Christianity, intact families, sexual purity, etc. They seem to loathe themselves. The Europeans of the bunch can’t give their countries away to the Muslims fast enough. I finally had my fill of trying to find any common ground at all with these people. Anathema.

    Now, I still think Trump is senile. I think anyone can see that for themselves. I have heard that Fox News cuts some of his less coherent ramblings so this may not be obvious to everyone, but I’ve heard enough and believe he’s not in good mental health. This is not taking into account his moral defects, which are many. He’s done some things recently that I can only applaud but he is not at all consistent. I am grieved that it’s come to this but I completely disavow any enthusiasm I had for any of the tenets of the Democrats. Anathema. If he does get elected, I hope he retires and lets his #2 take over, which I reckon will be Mike Pence, who is not a gem of a person either, from what I’ve heard but here we are.

  19. Xenia says:

    By the way, I was heading in this direction but something MLD said here a few weeks ago tipped me over the edge. So thank you, MLD.

  20. Michael says:

    I can’t vote for either…Democrats don’t hold the corner on sinful policies.

  21. Xenia says:

    Michael, that was my view for many years, and I respect it. I just can’t go there anymore.

    A scholarly bookstore in town that was my go-to store for good books is hosting a night of debauchery, where people (homosexuals) are invited to come, scantily dressed, for an evening of p0rn.

    I have to take a stand, and if that means eating humble pie and voting for a man I can’t stand, then so be it.

    I would like to see Trump removed from office thru impeachment so Mike Pence can take over, but I do not think he will be convicted. In fact, I think he is going to get re-elected. He’s mentally impaired. God help us.

  22. Em says:

    Mentally impaired? ? Oh noooo… Here i’ve been praying for 3 1/2 years that God would give him strength of mind and body, wisdom and discernment….

    As i was driving a while back i heard a Muslim convert to the True Faith make a very good case for the anti-christ coming from te Muslim religion….

    We seem to live in perilous times, more mental than physical

  23. Xenia says:

    Here i’ve been praying for 3 1/2 years that God would give him strength of mind and body, wisdom and discernment….<<<

    Em, keep praying!

  24. Michael says:

    “Something’s up. And deep down, where the body meets the soul, we are fearful. We fear, down so deep it hasn’t even risen to the point of articulation, that with all our comforts and amusements, with all our toys and bells and whistles… we wonder if what we really have is… a first-class stateroom on the Titanic. Everything’s wonderful, but a world is ending and we sense it.” Peggy Noonan

    I get it…but affirming either evil is still affirming evil.

    Voting for Trump isn’t going to change the moral fibre of your community or this country…except in the ways it already has.

    Frankly I’m more offended by families being torn apart, children being put in cages, and their parents deported to countries they have never been in.

    Having the environmental protections for land and water destroyed is not God’s way of stewardship.

    Christian morality is as subjective as it’s doctrines.
    I think the world as I knew it is over…as is any world I could have hoped for to pass to my young ones…

  25. Duane Arnold says:

    “A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying, ‘You are mad; you are not like us.”

    Antony of Egypt

  26. Jim says:

    In Florida we can vote by mail simply by choice. I’ll vote if my wife sticks the ballot in my hand, as is her custom. I’ll do what I’ve done my entire adult life and vote for a lousy candidate who is maybe less lousy than the other, in my view. My mantra will shift from I voted against Hillary to I voted against Warren. I don’t tell people what I really think, which is I voted for the current level of socialism against an increased level of socialism.

    It’s a meaningless exercise in the long term, as one day Sanders’ policies will be seen as moderate and old fashioned.

  27. Michael says:

    Chick-Fil-A had it’s grand opening today and there’s been a half mile line with police directing traffic for hours.
    Evidently my priorities are skewed…

  28. MM says:

    Duane

    “A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying, ‘You are mad; you are not like us.”

    I believe Rod Sterling made a ‘Twilight Zone’ on that very idea.

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