Fear Not, Love Much…

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  1. Paige says:

    Peace. Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God…

    I find the anger, discord and tantrums of those whose candidate did not ‘win’ to be most disturbing. I feel that this disgusting campaign has ruined friendships and divided families. No one wins. So much damage has been done, so many resources wasted. So much energy and ‘chi’ wasted. For what?

    Washington is as phony as Hollywood.

    Not sure any of us can make a ‘macro’ difference, but we sure as heck can make a ‘micro’ difference in our personal sphere.

    Love one another. “As far as it lies with you, be at peace with all men”. Romans 12:18

  2. Michael says:

    Paige,

    There has been much damage and I fear there is much more to come.
    We have to decide today who we are and Who we serve…and become the ambassadors of reconciliation we are called to be.

  3. Paige says:

    Totally. Let us not forget that the political and government environment during Jesus’ time of this earth was incredibly corrupt and vile. He stated “my kingdom is not of this world”.

    My biggest loss is family discord. This grieves me deeply….

    Ambassadors of reconciliation. Amen.

  4. Tracey says:

    Paige,

    The tantrums and insults of the man who is now the President Elect of the U.S. are far more concerning to me. I truly hope he becomes a better man as president than he was as candidate. I don’t know if Christians who have supported him truly understand the damage they have done by championing pragmatics and politics. I am already hearing it in my own children’s reactions this morning. These are kids raised in an “evangelical” conservative home. They are angry and disgusted at the Christian whitewashing of Trump’s words and actions. I can’t blame them.

  5. Xenia says:

    Where my heart needs mending is that I am truly distraught that so many Christians, people I used to look to for guidance, turned to the Dark Side, it seems to me. Not just that they turned to the Dark Side but did it with so much zeal. So while I have cheerfully come to terms with Mr. Trump there is quite a bit of work remaining. Tough old heart; soften it up with the oil and wine of your Spirit, O Lord.

  6. Michael says:

    Tracey,

    It has been a challenge to explain this all to my own family.
    All I can say is that we accept the sovereign will of God and double down on our commitment to living what we believe.

  7. Michael says:

    Xenia,

    I’m with you…fighting the intense desire to divide and withdraw.
    It’s quite the battle, but we both know what the right thing to do is.

  8. Cash says:

    Michael, thanks for giving a voice to all of us who feel marginalized and beaten today. These decisions that are made in the political realm do indeed affect so many real people and families. My own family is in a situation where a loved one may be deported and their family split apart. I pray this will not happen, but I admit I fear that it will.
    “This is an opportunity for those who care for the work of the kingdom to throw off the last chains of nationalism and partisan politics and fully become the remnant that we were intended to be.”
    I pray that I will be able to do just that, even as I am caught up into the political realm. It is time for me to step back and remember this world is not my home. Love covers a multitude of sins.

  9. Dallas says:

    Right there with you Xenia.

  10. London says:

    Tantrums?
    Wow.

  11. Michael says:

    Cash,

    Thank you for hearing my heart on this matter.
    The issue of deportations has kept me up many a night and I confess it tore me inside out last night.
    I join you in prayer that such doesn’t happen and that we all rise above rhetoric and emotion to find a better way.

  12. Ms, ODM says:

    I’m praising the LORD that he did not allow the Dems to win using cheating, satanic rituals, and promoting non-citizens to vote. Trump isn’t perfect -= but at least he is not Luciferian as the pedophile campaigners of Hillary’s have been shown to be. The Restrainer has done His work. PTL

  13. dusty says:

    Thank you big brother for these timely words and prayer.

  14. Xenia says:

    Ah, Mrs. ODM. You are one of those people who I …..

    Ahem. God bless you and keep you, dear sister in Christ!

    -Xenia

  15. dusty says:

    Hi cash, still pray for you often. Will be praying for your family as well

  16. JoelG says:

    Lol Xenenia good job!

  17. JoelG says:

    Xenia… sorry for the mispell

  18. Duane Arnold says:

    Michael

    Thank you for this reflection. I firmly believe that those Christians who hoped for a seat at at the table of power will find that they have traded their inheritance for a pot of lentils. In the end, I believe, they will be left without a seat, without an inheritance and without their integrity.

    Today is hard for many of us. We are truly in exile as, perhaps, we were meant to be…

    By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
    We hanged our harps upon the willows in the midst thereof.
    For there they that carried us away captive required of us a song; and they that wasted us required of us mirth, saying, Sing us one of the songs of Zion.
    How shall we sing the Lord’s song in a strange land?
    If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget her cunning.
    If I do not remember thee, let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth; if I prefer not Jerusalem above my chief joy.

  19. Michael says:

    Duane,

    I agree and what an eloquent way you have framed what we feel.

    Thank you for helping me think through these things this morning before I wrote at all…

  20. Xenia says:

    “Build ye houses, and dwell in them; and plant gardens, and eat the fruit of them….”

    Jeremiah 29:5

    Remember to pray for our President every day.

  21. Michael says:

    Ms ODM,

    Your candidate won and there is no longer any need for you to propagate conspiracy theories and harsh invective.
    This continuing need for division and the spreading of half truths and half baked beliefs about people are what is truly of the devil.

  22. Xenia says:

    The discovery of juicy conspiracy theories, scandal and gossip can become so delicious that even when the presumed need has passed, it is hard to give it up.

  23. Em ... again says:

    one thing we might remember is the duplicity of most of those people who are jockeying for power… we may like what a politician is saying to us, but it is pretty certain that that politician has his/her finger in the wind and their verbal promises and idealisms are meant to garner votes…
    i don’t think those who voted Republican hate and want to exploit the poor and i don’t think those who voted Democrat want to destroy the economy of the nation… the two sides just reflect different pain, but pain nonetheless …
    gotta say it with apologies to the Libertarians – be grateful that Gary Johnson isn’t the President Elect this morning
    my daughter was showing me the map (produced by the NY Times, i believe) showing the whole nation’s vote county by county… for the most part the blue counties were pockets of the ultra rich and the ultra poor… i think there is a lesson in there somewhere – not sure what it is yet…

  24. Dan from Georgia says:

    Michael (22) – AMEN!!!

    Let’s stop breaking the 9th commandment there Ms. ODM.

  25. Duane Arnold says:

    #19

    Michael

    You are welcome. Yesterday as I went to vote, I witnessed a group of men turn their back with their arms folded when a Muslim woman in a hijab approached the polling place. As I left, a pick-up truck went by with teens in the back who began yelling their candidate’s name when they saw an African-American couple.

    As an Anglo-Catholic, I was reminded of Dietrich Bonhoeffer’s sermon after Kristallnacht where he said you cannot glory in Gregorian chant unless you can weep for the Jews. I think Bonhoeffer and Barth may be on my reading list for some time to come…

  26. Em ... again says:

    #20 – should be our (those who claim Christ as Lord and coming King) take away from this day

    the nation is navigating in a very perilous, strangely cohesive, world in this first half of the 21st century and, while we may not really know what we think we know about the juicy conspiracies, make no mistake the big players are playing for keeps – Caesar serves only as long as he serves

    pray for those in authority over us, indeed – pray for the Kingdom to come – pray for an ongoing harvest of souls – pray for Truth to stand her (his?) ground

  27. dusty says:

    May the Lord give you peace and fill you with His hope as we journey together to a city not built with hands. ~Michael

    Amen

  28. Michael says:

    Bonhoeffer just moved to the top of mine, Duane…

  29. Michael says:

    Thanks, Dusty…blessings on you today.

  30. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Michael,
    “That which some of us have feared has now come upon us.
    Someone who is the antithesis of what many of us hold to be truly Christian values will now lead the country.”

    This is kind of a hack piece quote. If the victory had gone to HRC and if someone from the opposing side had written that very quote, you would have been all over it as unfair.

  31. dusty says:

    Thank you big brother….you doing alright? How can i pray for you?

  32. Michael says:

    I thank God that I have peace today.
    This election wasn’t about diverse political ideas to me, it was about whether I would still have health care as I face one or possibly two difficult surgeries.

    I confess that I was fearful as I saw the prospects for continued care melt away last night.

    But the Lord reigns and he has set the day of my departure and he will provide until that day.

  33. Michael says:

    MLD,

    I grow weary of saying the same things over and over again.
    I didn’t support Clinton,nor did the vast majority of the church.

    The point has always been that neither of these candidates were worthy of being called remotely Christian.
    We should have stood against both.
    80% of the church is calling this a victory for Christ and I just don’t see it that way.

    Having said that, this victory will impact the most vulnerable among us in a way that a Clinton victory would not have… (at least not directly), and that is my concern this morning

  34. Michael says:

    Dusty,

    Just pray for mercy…the list is too long otherwise. 🙂

  35. dusty says:

    Praying for continued peace for you…

  36. victorious says:

    I have no candidate I was for. But the candidate who manipulates by surface level emotionally charged empty rhetoric to obscure the systemic practices of her and her husbands corruption at every levelI ;
    The candidate I opposed lost.

  37. Duane Arnold says:

    #29

    Michael, you might check out The Barmen Declaration… One article explicitly says that it is false doctrine to allow that “the Church in human arrogance could place the Word and work of the Lord in the service of any arbitrarily chosen desires, purposes, and plans” with regard to politics.

    I just struck me… I never thought that I would be quoting The Barmen Declaration in the context of my own country in 2016…

  38. victorious says:

    Sometimes you win by pure defense because it gives you opportunity to rebuild the offense.

  39. Michael says:

    Duane,

    Will do so today…thank you!

  40. Cash says:

    Dusty! #15 It’s been quite a long time! It’s great to hear from you. Your prayers for me are much appreciated. Is there anything I can pray for you?

  41. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    “We should have stood against both.”

    I did, I voted for neither and advocated early on that I thought it was immoral for a Christian to participate in this election cycle.

    “80% of the church is calling this a victory for Christ and I just don’t see it that way.”

    I don’t know where you get this figure. Are you saying 80% of pastors in the US have said this? 80% of the congregations? 80/5 of your Christian FB feed? This this hyperbole is what needs to go.

  42. Michael says:

    MLD,

    This is simply stats.
    It’s called research…look it up yourself.

  43. Michael says:

    victorious,

    When did the Gospel become about winning and losing partial politics?

  44. Cash says:

    Dusty, Amen!

  45. dusty says:

    Cash, anxiety thanks

  46. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Michael = hang on while I call my pastor and ask if he was polled …. and how he responded.

    This is no different than I am getting from a couple of my relatives right now. I said earlier about the one who said Trump will put the Jews in the internment camps. Now I have one telling me Trump does not allow Jews at his country clubs nor allowed to stay at his hotels. When I questioned him – as I did you, his reply (hang on while I clip it off FB ….

    “he doesn’t let Jews into this country clubs and businesses (it’s a fact… one of those things you can look up and prove) hmmmm sounds a bit segregated to me?”

    Sound familiar?

  47. Xenia says:

    A quibble. “White Evangelicals” is not synonymous with “The Church.”

  48. Michael says:

    Xenia,

    On that point I stand corrected…I linked to the complete Pew stats as repentance.

  49. BrianD says:

    I have family, friends and acquaintances who think Trump’s victory is the will of God Himself, and a miracle that saved us from whatever evil would have come from a Hillary Clinton administration.

    They got what they desired, and I hope it turns out well for them and the rest of us, Christian, atheist, or otherwise.

  50. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Michael – that was a lot of small numbers to read and a lot of words for those of us not accustomed to ‘doing the research’. – but I missed the statement you highlighted “is calling this a victory for Christ ”

    Where will I see this?

  51. Michael says:

    BrianD,

    I think it was the will of God…but whether for blessing or for judgement is the question that remains…

  52. Michael says:

    MLD,

    All you need do is log on to Facebook or Twitter or simply see what Ms. ODM and her kind have already posted here.

    Why you feel the need to be so very contrarian about something so common is beyond me…

  53. filbertz says:

    gloating ‘winners’ are ultimately losers. So much work must be done to repair the damage wrought by this election that to ‘pile on’ is fool-hardy at best.

  54. Plucked Brand says:

    Here’s thought: maybe we should pray for the man God allowed to assume the reins of power in our country.

  55. Duane Arnold says:

    #53

    MLD… I suggest you go to Google, enter “evangelicals”, select “News” and then “Recent” and “24 hours”… You’ll find more than enough to read about evangelical support and the sense of triumphalism in that community.

  56. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Michael – I am not contrarian to the fact that many in the church feel as you describe. I am contrarian about your numbers and hyperbole.

    But like I said, you answer to me was identical to that my nephews gave me to prove Jews being sent to the camps.

  57. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Duane – they may be happy – they may be giddy – but 80% saying directly that this was a work of Christ? Come now – time for everyone to get off the ledge.

    No one likes to beat up on our evangelical friends more than I do – but even I can’t go that far. 😉

  58. Xenia says:

    Well MLD, I’ve had quite a few conversations in the past weeks with evangelicals about this election and some surely do believe he was sent to us by God to save the nation.

  59. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Xenia – I understand. But that was not Michael’s claim. He said 80% of evangelical – when I questioned it he said do the research. I saw nowhere that 80% of all evangelicals said it was a work of Christ.

    I can say that today, 100% of all Jews I have spoken to believe Donald Trump is going to arrest Jews in this country – and my statement would be true.

  60. Duane Arnold says:

    MLD

    Simply enter “Donald Trump called of God” in Google and see what you get… Regardless of the percentage numbers, I find it frightening and disheartening. I believe you will as well. Minimizing this basic theological error (which Michael has rightly pointed out) does little to further theological reflection on something that is, in fact, taking place among many within not only the Evangelical community but also among many one-issue Roman Catholics as well. Not wishing to be contentious here, but I think we need to be serious and sober as we consider what has happened and why and not major on minors while missing the greater issues involved. Just my opinion…

  61. Dallas says:

    Silver lining? When Trump manages to get himself impeached, the way too obvious headlines are going to be glorious.

  62. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Duane – I think evangelical are wrong on ALL things Christian (since we can be expansive here) – why would I care what they think politically.

    Evangelicals, the religious right today doesn’t carry half the political clout of the 80s.

  63. Dallas says:

    So Michael, I got a little sidetracked after starting it, should I still finish The End of White Christian America or should I wait for the second edition?

  64. Michael says:

    Dallas,

    You should definitely finish it.

    It will help you understand what just happened and the reality that this was probably the last year it could…

  65. Dallas says:

    Yeah, I still intended to, just having a little fun on a day where it has been in short supply. For what it’s worth, your blog has been a nice haven for me today. I haven’t come anywhere close to saying what is really on my mind about all this, but it has been a place where I at least felt free to express some of it.

  66. Michael says:

    Dallas,

    I was far less irenic last night in my personal communications if it helps… 🙂

  67. John 20:29 says:

    well, reading the thread one thing is very clear… the evangelicals are the cause of all the looming oppression that is about to descend on the nation… so, when the time comes to clean house it will be a simple matter of sending the troops into their churches and rounding them up 🙂

    seriously, i do pray (and i think most evangelical Christians do so also) that what we call now Obamacare will be revamped into a more efficient and, by definition more compassionate, healthcare system for everyone… right now i question whether healthcare deferred isn’t in many cases healthcare denied…

    it evidently isn’t an easily solved problem (unless you live in Switzerland) – all those phantom evangelicals that elected Trump can perhaps now be persuaded to turn their fervent prayers to petitioning God for solutions to our problems? … seems like a more practical and a more devout, God pleasing way to direct our prayers in any case…

    praying for Michael especially now, but for all whose anxieties are expressed here today – the world is definitely wobbling

  68. Michael says:

    John 20:29,

    The healthcare issue is not a simple one.
    It has so far saved and preserved my life.
    On the other hand I know many who are slightly less poor than myself who have no insurance because the current cost is prohibitive.
    The binary choice of keep what we have or completely dismantle it will result in no solutions for anyone.
    It would have been good to have some actual policy discussed on the issue…

  69. Duane Arnold says:

    #65

    MLD, “why would I care what they think politically…” For the same reason the Confessing Church cared about what the German Christian Movement was thinking (and doing) in the 1930s…

  70. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    72 – flag thrown – playing the Hitler card is not allowed in these discussions.

  71. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Duane – I do not need to know what they are thinking politically – I just need know what they think theologically to predict their actions both socially and politically. Whoever is going to bring on ther rapture the quickest is the path they will follow … all the time every time.

  72. John 20:29 says:

    Michael @ 71 – i really, fervently pray and call on everyone to do so over this matter – with all the pressing business at hand in this transition, we need to keep beating the tub – or whatever they say now – on this matter, the answer isn’t just to “eliminate” Obamacare, not by a long shot

    i have a hunch that, if it weren’t for all the greedy vested interest players, this might have a straightforward and simple solution… as soon as congress drew the insurance companies into the plan, i knew we were headed for a mess… it is time for the insurance industry to get out of healthcare for profit (maybe some other players, too)

  73. Late to this party, but here’s what I posted yesterday after voting:

    Voting completed. I was the 6th person to cast a ballot in our precinct (hello 7 am). As I drove away from my polling site and saw all the other people driving to work, I reflected a bit. Here’s what went through my election-weary mind:

    I believe that the type of America that gets painted during the political process, for the most part, does not represent the majority of people who call themselves Americans. Something about the electoral cycle creates a bit of an illusion.

    In the course of my typical day, I cross paths with all sorts of people from all types of political leanings, and, overwhelmingly, they are kind, patient, helpful and dutiful to their daily responsibilities. They go to work, pay their bills, raise their families and contribute to their community in one form or another. If I have one item in the grocery store they ask me if I want to go ahead of them and their full cart. They wave me through if we arrive at the stop sign at the same time.They toss pennies on the store counter if I’m short of change.

    America isn’t an amazing country because of politicians or government, but because it is a country filled with a lot of decent, albeit imperfect, people. The political season seems to make us look at one another with distrust and cynicism. Which is unfortunate, because for the most part, I don’t think that’s who we are. We certainly do share a lot of different perspectives. Many of our ideas are in direct competition. But I believe most of us possess a base morality in regard to how we interact with one another.
    I’m not saying we don’t have challenges; we certainly do. But they will not be resolved well in such a climate of polarized angst.

    The old TV show “The Twilight Zone” once aired an episode called “The Monsters are Due on Maple Street,” where by simply cutting of the electricity, a pair of aliens led a friendly and stable community into panic and paranoia. Wikipedia summarizes the conclusion of the episode like this:

    “The scene cuts to a nearby hilltop, where it is revealed the mysterious meteor that had flown overhead is, indeed, an alien spaceship. Its inhabitants, two alien but humanoid observers, are watching the riot on Maple Street while using a device to manipulate the neighborhood’s power. They comment on how easy it was to create paranoia and panic by turning off the electricity, and conclude that the easiest way to conquer the planet is to let the people become their own worst enemies. They also discuss the fact that the Earth is “full of Maple Streets” and that they plan on moving from “one to the other.”

    I sometimes feel that the political process has a way of doing the same thing. It takes sane people and makes us move toward the edge of losing it. Hopefully, we won’t allow all the political agitation to pit ourselves against one another.

  74. Duane Arnold says:

    #73

    MLD,
    The point of my comment was not about any political leader – past or present. It is to recognize the danger in doctrine and perception when Christians, of whatever stripe, conflate and confuse the two kingdoms and the harm that issues forth from such a conflation. BTW, most evangelicals of my acquaintance left behind that particular eschatology along with their Jack Chick tracts…

  75. JD says:

    May all of us leave the election season as wiser, deeply prayerful, and increasingly committed to serving Christ and being filled with the Spirit of God; wherever He has chosen to use us.

  76. Tracey says:

    As a single mom, Obamacare has been wonderful for my family. It meant my children were able to get dental care. I watched President Obama in an interview and he said if he could have started from scratch, he’d have gone with a single payer system. I’ve lived in Britain and in Canada and here. This system does not help people who are struggling financially. It is terrible that the poor and the sick cannot get medical care because they have no insurance. President Obama was right to try and tackle the healthcare scandal here. I am always flabbergasted when many of my Christian friends spout off about conservative positions, such as healthcare, and confuse those positions as somehow Christian. I’ve been listening to it for years.

  77. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Duane,
    We may be circling the same area, however, if I know that an evangelical is completely ignorant of proper 2 kingdom theology (and they are) – then again, I know where they will go politically – or at least what their motivation is in choosing a direction.

    If a Christian group believes that good governance is to be used to serve the Church – they are wrong. God rules in the Church to forgive sin – and for that purpose only. God rules through kings in the civil world to create order and for no purpose of the church – except in that good order allows the church to carry it’s function.

  78. Erunner says:

    I’m always late to the party. My personal life is totally filled with Christians who pretty much see Trump’s win as a Godly miracle and was even uttered prophetically by several. I’ve taken shots by trying to be a voice of reason in questioning some articles they linked to. One was from Mario Murrilo who strongly went after any believer who wouldn’t vote for Trump. There were the others from Rabbi’s and any site that re-enforced there beliefs. I did the evil thing by unfriending someone who pulled the Hitler card and hates Christians with a passion. Explain to me the difference of unfollowing someone and unfriending them. If you have unfollowed me I’d rather you unfriend me. I’ll survive.

    On the other side I have watched believers talk about Evangelicals as if they were total morons. I saw a lot of name calling as well. I identify as a Christian but came up through CC and currently attend one. I see and understand the follow the pastor game quite well.

    So when I watch Christians using curse words in attacking believers who they don’t see eye to eye with it’s disheartening. When I’m described as a homophobe, bigot, racist and all the other dandy names by believers and non believers alike because I’m a Republican and have committed the sin of being white it’s disheartening.

    I said all along we should try to model Jesus through this election cycle and we failed miserably.

    I saw the Clinton supporters crying last night as their dreams went up in smoke and because of what they fear lies ahead. I can’t ignore that. At the same time if Clinton would have won we would have seen the same reaction from many Trump supporters. This was a divisive and polarizing election unlike anything we’ve seen.

    I think there will be a cooling down period and then we’ll see what happens. Trump has a huge job ahead of him and a lot of scared people to try and work with. Sadly the haters on both sides aren’t going to magically disappear. The poor need help. The homeless need help. So many things to address it’s hard to keep track of.

    Clinton was gracious in her concession speech and Trump was gracious in his acceptance speech. So we pray and hope for the best as we have no clue what the future holds. I’ve awaken too many times to a story that has rocked the world. I pray I don’t experience that again.

    For the record I didn’t vote for President. In California my vote was nothing but symbolic. The swing states saw to that.

  79. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    I guess here is where I have issue – whether it be what I have commented on with my nephews claiming Trump with throw Jews in the camps or people here complaining that Christians feel Trump is God sent…

    What ever happened to saying “the people have spoken, now we listen.” – the 2 players, Trump & Clinton – and Obama by extension have all done that — but for some reason “we the people” have trouble accepting it.

    I went to bed last night fully expecting HRN to be president this morning and would have been just as satisfied — why isn’t anyone else?

  80. Erunner says:

    “What ever happened to saying “the people have spoken, now we listen.” – the 2 players, Trump & Clinton – and Obama by extension have all done that — but for some reason “we the people” have trouble accepting it.”

    MLD, I believe it came down to third party voters, etc. Not God answering prayers.

    Christians have different convictions in politics and they are sincere in those beliefs. For those who supported Trump this isn’t an easy time for various reasons. The same would have been true if Trump had lost for his supporters. Time will tell how things unfold.

  81. Xenia says:

    I know I have been critical of the evangelical zeal for Trump but I would be dishonest if I didn’t say there are many, many Orthodox just as zealous.

    My 2nd favorite blog (or it used to be) is an Orthodox blog similar to the PhxP in that the host shined a spotlight on shenanigans occurring in various corners of Ortholandia. Just as CC people come to the PhxP to see what’s happening in CC, Orthodox people used to go to this blog to see what new scandals were breaking in the EO world.

    But the host went bananas for Trump. He was not one of those reluctant people who voted for Trump for various somber reasons, he promoted Trump with everything he had. And a depressing number of regulars over there joined in. (Many left, of course.) Today they are jubilant and not at all gracious in their jubilation. I am just as disgusted with them as I am with any evangelical. All the conspiracies, all the craziness- it was all embraced with joy. And it’s a pretty well-educated group over there and they sound just as loony as certain ODMs, (Mrs. ODM excepted of course, dear sister!)

    Just wanted to be fair.

  82. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Well I don’t bring religion into it at all. If God answered prayers like that the Dodgers would have been WS champs.

    What I am saying is we went through the process – it’s over – why does everyone need to bellyache and continue with false charges – we should just move on.

    And biggest – not continually question people’s motives as to why they voted the way they did. We each have our own reasons – which are our own as Michael laid out in his personal reasons.

    The only reply / comment should be congratulations president elect Trump — just as it should have been had the roles been reversed “congratulations president elect Clinton.

  83. Xenia says:

    I should add that I am not disgusted with people who voted for Trump, I am disgusted with people who told lies about Clinton.

  84. Xenia says:

    That other blog is very gossipy and I once confessed going there to a priest (not my own priest.) He turned red and admitted he visited there, too. Lord have mercy. I am so sick of gossip and falsehoods.

  85. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Xenia does have a point. Candidates should only be allowed to tell why we should vote for them – not tell us why we should not vote for the other candidate. That would hold speeches down to about 90 seconds.

  86. Erunner says:

    MLD, As far as the Dodgers go I lay that at your feet for not interceeding for our offense!! 🙂

  87. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    E, I found our offense to be too offensive. 😉

    Here is a book suggestion for you – my current read – very good.

    https://www.amazon.com/Last-Innocents-Collision-Turbulent-Sixties/dp/0062360566/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1478738766&sr=1-1&keywords=the+last+innocents

  88. John 20:29 says:

    there is much to be sorted out with regard to gossip, lies and falsehoods where the person is in a position of trust and/or responsibility with regard to the affairs of the nation… much to be said… but not by me – not here…

    it’s time to pray for this nation, tho … and since only God, Himself can really sort out the details … i guess … just pray … for mercy

  89. Erunner says:

    MLD, that looks like a great book. I’ll see if I can reserve it at our library. I suspect you have read many, many books!

  90. Paige says:

    Erunner, #81& 83. Well stated. I appreciate your comments.

  91. London says:

    Tracey – on your #79,

    I wanted to let you know that I read it, acknowledge your pain and sadness about the healthcare system and share your frustration.
    It is difficult for people out in the country right now, and I want you to know, although I don’t know what to do about it, you’ve been seen.

    hugs….

  92. Ms, ODM says:

    #84 – Thank you Xenia – I hope you watched the link I provided to document my position.

  93. Erunner says:

    Thank you Paige. As I re-read my 83 i noticed a mistake.

    For those who supported Trump this isn’t an easy time for various reasons. The same would have been true if Trump had lost for his supporters. Time will tell how things unfold.

    It should have read……. For those who supported CLINTON this isn’t an easy time for various reasons. The same would have been true if Trump had lost for his supporters. Time will tell how things unfold.

  94. Surfer51 says:

    Speaking about Obamacare reminded me that my son’s family does:

    https://mychristiancare.org/how-does-it-work/

    It is a much more affordable health care solution for Christians.

  95. Muff Potter says:

    @ # 98
    “It is a much more affordable health care solution for Christians.”

    Why not make it available to all regardless of religious affiliation?
    Wouldn’t that be the “Christian” thing to do?

  96. John 20:29 says:

    i’ve wondered if the above mentioned sharing works – people being what we are…
    i would imagine that it couldn’t be made available to all people who might wish to participate because of its requirements… the Federal rules and reg.s would preclude that possibility, even if a declared non Christian (you do have to follow some restrictions in your lifestyle) wanted to sign up

    pray that a similar simple cost-effective plan will with immediacy rise from the ashes of Obamacare

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