“Follow The Leader”: The Video

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  1. Loren Haas says:

    Lemmings.

  2. We can’t be surprised. The church holds to a strong Mosed model. Why wouldn’t they gladly make a video that represents their view?

    Personal commentary. Gag me with a Skip.

    That celebrity culture just isn’t for me.

  3. EricL says:

    That was hilarious. I didn’t know that Calvary Albuquerque did Zombie Walks… oh wait, that was supposed to be a serious and uplifting video???

    “We shall all follow the great leader. United in our Pursuit of Skip.” What a confused message. Are you sure this isn’t supposed to be a joke? Skip isn’t really trying to usurp Christ as head of the church, is he?

    Well, at least they didn’t show everyone jumping off that high rise at his order.

  4. olivia says:

    I think I just had a religious experience……..HAHA!!

  5. Michael says:

    “Well, at least they didn’t show everyone jumping off that high rise at his order.”

    Now, that was funny…in a scary sort of way. πŸ™‚

  6. EricL says:

    Oh, and another weird visual message in that video: only Skip can have an actual Bible. All of his followers do not.

  7. Nonnie says:

    What does “United in Pursuit” mean? Is it like the “I found it” logo of the 70’s?

  8. Xenia says:

    Good grief. This guy thinks he’s Jesus.

  9. bob1 says:

    Ugh.

    Gross.

  10. once a cc guru says:

    Sick! he’s “trying” to look like David Bowie in Dark Star…

  11. Ryan Ashton says:

    NO. Just no.

    I also wonder if that glaringly obvious military presence was adhering to policyβ€”since being in full regalia while making a statement like this strikes me as an awful way of using the military.

    Any veterans want to take a stab at whether this is correct or not?

  12. Glen says:

    Curious about the music used……..any idea the song or who it was.
    My first impression with him wearing those glasses and everyone following was the blind leading the blind. He just needed a white cane.

  13. Nonnie says:

    I would imagine a United in Purpose colouring book is coming out soon. πŸ˜‰

  14. brian says:

    Well done propaganda, shallow yet effective and efficient. It extolls pragmatic leadership. He has also held onto leadership when many would have gotten the boot and he has dealt with his enemies. These are virtues that should be celebrated and honored because they always work, which should also be honored.

  15. Jon Clayton says:

    That goes more than a bit beyond the scope of the Biblical standard. We are to follow pastors and leaders as they follow Jesus.

  16. Jean says:

    Michael,

    It’s too bad they didn’t mute the music so we could hear when he called his disciples: “Follow me.” I wonder what followed the end, a Sermon on the Mount (I mean roof top)?

    This stuff makes Babylon Bee appear as non-fiction.

  17. Dallas says:

    Please tell me there is some real life footage captured of people running away screaming from this garbage… otherwise I’m left with the troubling thought that people get the leadership they deserve.

    Btw Nonnie beat me to my first comment on this. πŸ™‚

  18. Dallas says:

    Skip Heitzig in true Manasseh fashion brings back worshiping idols in high places. (2 Kings 21)

  19. EricL says:

    Spain has its Running of the Bulls and New Mexico now has the Running of the Skippers. I wonder if this will be an annual event to rival the balloon festival.

    Do you dare get in front of them? How close can you get without getting gored (or stabbed in the back)?

  20. I must be getting soft in my old age. I thought the video was a nice promotion piece that highlighted the diversity of the church. It was an assembly of all races, sexes and ethnic backgrounds and everyone was decked out in their vocational clothing, which I thought was cool. They had military, firefighters, utility workers and contrary to what someone else said, Skip with his Bible was in his vocation as pastor.

    Perhaps a bit cheesy – but hey Skip can do skinny Jeans in a way I can only dream about. πŸ™‚

  21. @ #10

    Once a cc guru,

    Did you mean “Blackstar?”

  22. Papias says:

    I missed the part where they were “United in Pursuit” and the Name of Jesus was mentioned? Cause the image of everyone following Skip is more of the same – idolatry. And its Skips fault if people look at this way – he should know better.

    “Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness.” Jas 3:1 ESV

  23. Dallas says:

    Would have probably been even cheesier, but I was thinking that if rather than the high rise end, if the had let Skip just fall back into the crowd and panned to show that they had all been following Jesus all along it wouldn’t have been all that bad. Of course, I’m not sure that was the message they were going for.

  24. nathan priddis says:

    As the GFA issue evolved I stopped visualizing Heitzig, the individual, and replaced it with, The Albuquerque Group. This was due to the network of relationships connecting CC ABQ to other groups.

    In last weeks FTL sermon, the phrase “spiritual father” immediately brought to mind the Shepherding Movement. Yes, a guy can go nuts all on his own. (example Ted Kaczinski)
    But Heitzig was never alone.

    This smells like he was Shepherded. And if so, who was it. Where? Circa..mid to late 70’s? Any guesses?

  25. Muff Potter says:

    @ #11:
    “Any veterans want to take a stab at whether this is correct or not?

    Central Highlands 1971.
    I wish them well on their journey. Not all journeys are the same.

  26. London says:

    Creepy!

  27. Ixtlan says:

    @11, 25

    Desert Shield/ Desert Storm

    My first thought was “ok, we have the token military member in the crowd”. It felt exploitive, particularly from a generation [boomers] who’s motto was “hell no, we won’t go”.

    I imagine there are Reserve Units in the ABQ area, I am not aware of any active duty installations there. I seem to recall that the Air Force frowned on such promotional appearances in uniform.

  28. London says:

    What’s creepy to me about this video is there’s zero interaction between people. Skip just walks past and that first woman checks him out and starts following him. No interaction except a tiny little smile. No walking side by side. Just stay a few paces back. Then everyone else stays a few paces back from the line in front. Like an org chart instead of a living organism.
    i get the idea that there’s people from all walks of life that go to CCA, but, I don’t think that message came across well.
    Also, like Ryan, I wondered if it was ok with the U.S. military to be represented by folks in full uniform.

  29. London says:

    There was a Marine too

  30. Xenia says:

    My husband, who is retired Navy, sometimes wears his Dress Blues to special events like weddings. I asked him about this video and he had his doubts and said they needed to have asked their commanding officers before appearing in the video in uniform. But he wasn’t sure.

  31. Xenia says:

    The best thing is that my husband’s Dress Blues still fit him perfectly after all these years!

  32. Xenia says:

    My husband is sometimes hard to drag information out of. He just said, “Of course, if the men were on active duty, it’s perfectly ok for them to appear in the video in uniform.”

  33. Kevin H says:

    Can’t wait for this week’s TGIF. I imagine Michael’s putting the finishing touches on the video for it right now. You know, the one where he’s marching through Phoenix, Oregon with Miss Kitty and her pack of friends following close behind. “United in Purr-suit”. πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚

  34. Tohu Wabohu says:

    United in pursuit of what? And the visual dynamics clearly emphasize that “you” is the guy with he shades and black skinny jeans and t-shirt (that would be Skipper, right?) Clearly a fetish for guys in uniform. The “rally” on top,of the building: When I see churchy people raising their arms like that, my brain automatically adds a soundtrack that goes “sieg heil!” And speaking of soundtracks: Why do contemporary Christian songs all sound alike, with the same jangly wannabe-U2 chords and breathy little girl (or whiny adolescent boy) voices?

  35. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    As I said earlier I thought it was just a nice promotional piece to go on the website and sent to friends of the church.

    I just wish that everyone was as critical of the soul killing theology that comes out of some of these evangelical churches – but that ain’t gonna happen.

    On topic – did the power company guy have permission to wear his work clothes for the video? πŸ˜‰

  36. Michael says:

    MLD,

    The soul killing theology begins with the demand for idolatry shown here.
    How many mediators do we need between God and man?

  37. Rob says:

    OK. so this blonde dude is walking around in Albuquerque, NM, without a hat. I just can’t get past that. Not smart. Not smart at all!

  38. Papias says:

    “For this is the origin of idolatry, when the genuine simplicity of God’s worship is known, that people begin to be dissatisfied with it, and curiously to inquire whether there is anything worthy of belief in the figments of men; for men’s minds are soon attracted by the snares of novelty, so as to pollute, with various kinds of leaven, what has been delivered in God’s word.” Calvins Commentary Deut 12:29

    The “snares of novelty” will get cha’ every time…

  39. Em ... again says:

    follow the leader indeed! looks like a nice group of sheep, however…

    my grandson’s little logging town high school does it better IMO – it’s a senior class tradition there

    https://mail.google.com/mail/ca/#inbox/153c8beca3b9b42d?projector=1

  40. Em ... again says:

    #40 – well google outflanked me on this one… one more try and i’ll stop this silliness

  41. London says:

    MUCH better

  42. Rick says:

    As a military veteran I would prefer no uniforms in the video–just as I prefer no American flags in a church sanctuary. Personal preference.

    Muff, thank you for your service; I have a friend who chewed some of the same dirt as you (though a couple of years earlier).

  43. Rick says:

    I have a doctrine against skinny jeans…

  44. Rick says:

    My wife and I attend a church in which services are streamed to the Internet including video of the congregation; my wife and I sit behind the cameras. I think worship is extremely personal and the privacy of those worshipping should be respected. Same with baptism; a sacred space. The type of promotion here is one I personally choose not to engage though I respect the rights of others who are OK with it.

  45. Judy says:

    No mention of Jesus. People walking behind Skip. That about says it all.

    It’s so fitting for the post-modern church.

    Back in the late 80’s when the Coalition on Revival reared its ugly head– before it became the Emergent Church or Church Growth or any other of its bastard children – the goal was to change the music, change the culture, get new ideas into the church that softened that hard message of repentance, get rid of the old folks because they’re dead weight, become culturally relevant, get into the political realm, and bring revival. I remember reading the original documents of this movement and thinking it was going to be one heck of a mess.

    The results are horrifying. But here they are!

  46. JD says:

    A classic example of the blind leading the blind.

  47. Xenia says:

    Rick, I used to be a director of our CC’s weekly TV show. We panned the audience from time to time and I always felt bad about it. There was no way to sit behind the camera because we had 4 of them for total coverage. I believe the proper thing to do is to at the very least, post a sign outside that says the service is being recorded for TV and you might appear on the show. This was a hand-raising / eye-closing / rocking back and forth kind of a church and I am sure not everyone wanted their worship movements to be on TV for all their co-workers to see.

  48. Erunner says:

    This reminds me of a Christian groups video which was very popular. They were walking and others joined in with them. As my memory fails me so often I can’t recall the video.

    It seems like yesterday with the fiasco as CCABQ with Skip and the radio stations, his treatment of Pete Nelson, his leaving for California because there wasn’t enough of a solid witness here. And then his return to CCABQ.

    It seems he got away with it without ever owning up to the damage he had done? Since then I have no respect for him although he seems to be getting more popular all of the time.

  49. 1 Skip 4:19
    Follow me and I will let me be in my video.

  50. bob1 says:

    I see a parallel between Brother Skip’s (empty) video and Donald Trump.

    Both are free of content yet their enterprises prattle on.

    (#46)

  51. Linnea says:

    Piney @50…classic.

    This is very disturbing.

  52. Scott says:

    Well, stating the obvious, not one person in the video had a gun to their back forcing them to do the perp walk.

    They’re there because they want to be there. They give, participate with their time, etc., because they want to. Just like the rest of us in our perspective places.

  53. Scott, it’s true. People have a choice. When I first came around the PP, I was leaving a church that was enveloped in top down, near dictatorial leadership. Yet, although many saw the fault lines, they simply decided that the pastor was a good preacher, so that was good enough reason to stay on board.

    I recall The church Costco Cal used to serve had the the senior pastor of the church listed as Jesus. (Maybe they still do?) I like that mindset. As leaders we should often be saying “Don’t look at me, look at Him!”

  54. Scott says:

    Piney, very true.

    Something about us as humans, we want our kings, whether spiritual or political.

    They let us down every darn time too.

  55. no longer deceived says:

    Something I just read from Jeff VanVonderan, “The similarities between spiritual abuse and incest are astounding.” and a couple paragraphs down, he explains…”where there is spiritual abuse there are people who, through spiritual means, attempt to meet their own needs for importance, power, intimacy, value, or spiritual (really, self-related) gratification.” (from “Tired of Trying to Measure Up”, by Jeff VanVonderen.
    A pastor I worked for 15 years (tied to the CC movement in the early days), even serving as an ever loyal “Assistant”, demanded “unity”, and when he was away on perhaps one of his many missions trips, there was an unwritten rule that you were expected to teach on “unity” in his pulpit (yes, he referred to it as “his”). It’s sick that I did this – and I’m thankful that I am now forgiven of manipulating people with this crap. My heart sinks for those precious people – and yes, it sinks, because many of them are deceived and don’t know they are in a cult like environment, or an actual cult. Rarely do people sense they are in danger in these situations.

  56. Bob Sweat says:

    Did anyone else see that package of Kool Aid in his hand?

  57. Al says:

    Skip looks terrible. Does he have cancer or some other illness?

  58. Tony Jorgunson says:

    I know a person who works at Skip’s church. Most of the people in that video are the staff of the church there and they were required to be in the video.

  59. richard says:

    I think I found where he got his idea for “the walk” the adventures of buckaroo banzai across the eighth dimension – 1984. end credits

  60. JD says:

    Goose-stepping behind the Nazi leader. Fall in or else: “Fuego!”.

  61. Al says:

    Extremely unhealthy dynamic.

    Now, I’m a bit of the pot calling the kettle black b/c I like to hear myself talk and have high “self esteem”…but Skip and some of these guys…it’s ALL about them and they come off as Narcissists and celebrities and not pastors and not Jesus-following emissaries of the Gospel.

    It’s almost to the level I am concerned for Skip’s mental health.

  62. Scott says:

    #59, that’s an awfully big staff πŸ˜‰

  63. Al says:

    Pray for Skip. I hate to say it, but the proper response is to be concerned for him. It looks really bad. Pray for Skip, pray for those he’s taking down a bad path of idolatry…still speak to the issues, but pray that God will deliver those people from idolatry.

  64. Al says:

    BTW, I’m truly sorry for all the grief I’ve given Michael over the years on here. I have been a troubled soul for a long time….trying to make sense of what happened to me and others and trying to make sense of how and why there was no justice in so many situations in Calvary Chapel. It was a constant angst that I couldn’t shake. I’ve been through an awful lot since coming on here in 2009. Been a lot of ups and downs and it’s been quite a battle. It has brought out both the best in me and the worst in me. I’ve gained a lot and lost a lot.

    Today, I am coming back to more of a balance and the angst is subsiding for some reason. I have some good Angels on my shoulder who God has put in my life and for some reason I’m listening to them, but they are present and not faceless folks online. The dynamic is different.

    Glad to see the blog going strong, glad to see the Truth being told here. Good work Michael. You’ve been faithful to your calling.

  65. Michael says:

    Thank you, Alex.
    As time and my health allow, we have more coming…

  66. Jean says:

    #65,

    God bless you! God bless your angels too.

  67. Al says:

    Love you guys. I’ll always feel connected to this blog. You’ve pretty much seen all sides of me and yet are still forgiving and gracious. That’s the true Gospel IMO.

  68. Xenia says:

    God bless you Al.

  69. Randall Slack says:

    Believe it or not, I am at a loss for words as well…

  70. Erunner says:

    Alex, I hope things do nothing but get better for you.

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