Former PFM Board Member Roger Gales Accused of Grooming Minors, “Non Consensual” Sexual Violation

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34 Responses

  1. Mike E. says:

    Thank you Michael my friend for you unwavering support for victims and your willingness to call evil exactly what it is. These elders are obviously navigating a pretty tough situation. I will give them that. But why it’s taken so long, and why they didn’t use the word rape is hard for me to understand. God HATES this crap! I know because God hates evil, and this is straight up evil. Full on. The damage it does to people both spiritually and emotionally is incalculable. I maybe missed it, but did they say anything about involving law enforcement? 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡

  2. Michael says:

    Mike,

    I’m assuming the victims wanted privacy and I understand that.
    Still…I have big problems with how this was and is being handled…

  3. filbertz says:

    Michael, I agree with Mike E. in that the soft-peddling of the terminology undercuts the severity of his actions. I imagine when these dudes preach, the gloves come off, but when one of their own crashes and burns, they tip-toe around with vague generalities. Argh!

  4. Michael says:

    fil,

    Exactly…and how many times have we seen this?

  5. Mike E. says:

    Yes, I do understand that also, Michael..I pray for those poor souls..it will be extremely difficult for them to recover. Can we do anything for them, besides just prayer? Probably not I know…it’s just so frustrating to not be able to help people who’ve been hurt so badly. I’ve simply had enough of this crap! Poor crushed traumatized souls who now have a barrier to overcome in their relationship with God. As if we all don’t have enough barriers already. These people need our love, not just our prayers and our outrage. 😭

  6. CSA Survivor says:

    I work as an advocate for sexual assault victims. In many times, reporting to police is typically further traumatizing, especially after childhood sexual trauma when police ask questions that put the responsibility on the survivor (“why didn’t you report it earlier?”).

    There are many reasons why people choose not to report to the police. One of the main reasons is that statistics show that for every 230 rapes reported to police, only 4 rapists spend any time in jail.

    https://www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system

    So how can we provide justice for sexual assault victims knowing it’s unlikely they will receive justice via the legal system? We ask the survivors themselves. We ask survivors, “what does justice look like for you?” In some cases it’s through process called restorative justice (http://restorativejustice.org). Sometimes the survivor wants to see their abuser complete a batterer’s intervention program specific to sexual violence. Other times, it’s simply knowing that the truth is out there and that the survivor is believed.

    Just wanted to share some info on alternatives to seeking justice via the legal system.

    Thank you for sharing this here. I hope the survivor knows they didn’t do anything wrong and they are believed.

  7. Mike E. says:

    CSA Survivor–thank you for that valuable input. As a survivor myself, I can attest to the limited and sometimes even more damaging involvement of law enforcement. You said, “we ask the survivors.” But how do we ask them when we don’t know who they might be? I suppose that’s probably God’s way of saying, “this one ain’t yours buddy.” But I just agonize over this. I’m angry and it makes me feel so powerless.

  8. Michael says:

    CSA Survivor,

    Thank you…and feel free to write for us on this topic any time!
    This is valuable…

  9. Wow… their body language is very revealing.

  10. BryonM says:

    It blows my mind that the knee jerk reaction of about a third of congregants is to keep a sexual predator in the pulpit, leader of staff, church, and chair of a board of directors. Someone help me understand this?

  11. Michael says:

    BryonM,

    It’s what they’re taught…

  12. Steph says:

    Laura, I thought the same. Especially the one on the right. There’s not a human on Earth that’d miss that.

    And Michael, once again, correct. It is what they’re taught. Blind obedience.

  13. So creepy, but not legally a crime. Might as well put Woody Allen in the pulpit because he’s a great artist much like this guy is a great “servant.” *barf*

  14. Michelle says:

    The New Victor, I would say that it *is* a crime to rape a girl, which a “clear, egregious, sexual violation that was not consensual” sure sounds exactly like to me.

  15. Clarity says:

    They want to put a period on this. How very “Calvary Chapel-ish” of them. Gross. They’re speaking about rape. Groomed children that were eventually raped. Call it what it IS. The old “I say jump you say how high” can be used in the opposite here. Calvary Chapel says “Stoop!” and they’ve replied enthusiastically “How low!” Shame on the culture of keeping everything covered up, but a relief that more and more will be exposed. May God give grace and peace to all of the victims. I will continue to pray for them as they are of the utmost importance in these situations.

  16. Captain Kevin says:

    Laura and Steph, Please forgive my ignorance, but can you please explain more about the body language? Guess I’m not very discerning when it comes to that.

  17. Steph says:

    “..culture of keeping everything covered up..”.
    Yes. It. Is.

    Circle the wagons and try to put a period on it….what???!!? Unacceptable

  18. Dave says:

    So didn’t expose it because of the holidays. Then didn’t expose it because of a missions trip. Then didn’t expose it because of Corona. Now is a good time during the country’s turmoil. Got it. Sounds like a good plan.

  19. Steph says:

    https://qz.com/572675/to-spot-a-liar-look-at-their-hands/amp/

    This guy on the right seems much too animated and frankly, a bit too positive as he’s relating such horrendous information. As his pal reads the letter, he frowns and nods. Oh so downtrodden and supportive. Calvary Chapel as an entire denomination has a plethora of problems; but they’re not always this cutesy.

  20. KG says:

    Steph, this church isn’t a Calvary chapel church. It never has been.

  21. Homer says:

    I went to heritage for over nine years. I had an idea about some of this; but do you really want to think and believe it to be so? Now, looking back on several things, it’s all clear now. Decisions made that Ray Charles could see were bad. Yet you’d hear, “we prayed about it and God said yes.” Which god? Not the One Who wrote the Word. I saw people leaving that place like it was on fire. It went from over 800 when I arrived to under 200 when I left. A total circus of leadership. I’d be shocked if there’s a hundred still there. Well, not really. After all, there was about 80 seventy five to eighty year olds who were clueless. Probably still are.

  22. Steph says:

    KG,
    My mistake. I read Calvary Chapel in the heading and thought they were at least affiliated. Michael is pretty good with stuff like that. Then I saw sermons by both Roger Gales and Peter Klaus listed on the Calvary Chapel San Clemente site and thought that I confirmed that they were at least affiliated…..But I believe you. They are not and never were in the denomination that’s not a denomination. Got it.

    Either way, both places have some major issues.

  23. Steve says:

    This is horrible. Why are Roger’s Sermons still on the church website?? I thought Jim Glynn Left the church years ago?

  24. Lisa says:

    As you predicted, the video has been removed.

  25. Bryan says:

    Incredibly sad and disappointing all around. Still haven’t heard anyone in leadership own this, apologize, and seek to help the VICTIMS of sexual abuse and predatory behavior, which started under Jim’s leadership. Another attempt to sweep the gross reality of this crime under the rug and keep the institution going at any cost. The fact that Roger was allowed to step down via video in December makes this whole thing that much more unbearable. Someone has to own this for the sake of the VICTIMS. God loves mercy, not sacrifice. At some point leadership has to own up to its failures for the sake of the VICTIMS if this congregation’s religion is going to have any sense real Christ-like love.

  26. David says:

    Please repost the video. It is no longer viewable.

  27. Evangeline says:

    So I have not seen the video but can’t that be used to go to the authorities? Video is no longer able to be viewed. These things are so disheartening it breaks my heart that these things are allowed!

  28. DavidM says:

    I watched 2 1/2 minutes and just couldn’t stomach any more bs, using words like “kind of”, and “needed a little more information”. And, of course, you wouldn’t want to miss out on a trip to Africa for the sake of your own congregation. Then they “just sat on it”!?! With “leaders” like these weaklings . . .

  29. EricL says:

    Delay, delay, delay. Pastor flees in December, but the rest of the leaders can’t let the people know about his crimes because of Christmas. Gotta take January to find out more details, so more delay. Interim pastor prioritizes a trip to Africa over the congregation, so February is out. Claim they wanted to talk to people in March finally, but COVID (which didn’t bring a lockdown in the state until the end of that month, so they had already delayed most of that month too). Then delay for April and May because they claim they want to talk to folks “in person”. What a mess.

    I hope the church will finally get their act together and pay for outside professional counseling for the victims of this sexual predator who used his church leadership role to find his many victims. There is no quick recovery from this for the victims, and there should be no attempt to get past it quickly by the congregation. They were deceived by an evil man for years. There needs to be soul-searching, repenting, grieving, reparations to the victimized, and probably all new leadership. I don’t think a short video brings them anywhere near to putting a “period” on this. This mess is too vast to try sweeping it under the rug and pretending it’s now gone.

  30. Michael says:

    I know more about this than I can print…and everyone involved needs to find a job outside the church.
    Way outside the church…

  31. Gaylyn McStay says:

    As a victim of sexual abuse in the church as a minor ….I’m so saddened to see another wolf being protected.
    True repentance is coming clean and agreeing with God about your sin.
    Unfortunately, drain the swamp is not just for unbelievers and politics and we are called as Believer’s to expose the darkness and defend the weak . There is no restoring . Ministry lost because of your ongoing actions . Period . These men prey on using the scriptures as a weapon and the forgiveness and grace from the body of Christ . Expose it and protect the sheep . Be like the Good Shepherd.
    Had I felt someone in my church would have protected ME as a child over the church and the reputation of the church …I would have been saved a lifetime of heartache.
    I pray these victims know the faithfulness of GOD and that they know He is Love and love (agape) protects . I pray they don’t mix up His character over the sin against them .

  32. Ralph Dacut says:

    “We are not sharing this information with you in order to harm Roger or intentionally bring shame to him” ??

    What? What about the harm and shame the he brought to his victims? |

    I understand the ‘Do unto others’ Scripture reference, but that is NOT applicable here. I understand that some may reference, ‘Take the log out of your own eye’, but this is intentional and sustained predatory actions by one who held the highest position in this church.

    Totally agree Michael that anyone who comes forward with additional information on this man’s actions need to go to the authorities, not the church elders.

  33. Em says:

    Okay, read this and…..
    “Daddy (pastor), Uncle Roger did something bad to me. I think it’s called rape. He did it to some other of your children, too.”
    ” Daughter, are you sure? Well, I’ve got to go to Africa and do God’s work but I’ll have a talk with Uncle Roger when i get back. In the meantime try to stay away from him. Okay? ”
    “But Daddy….”
    ” Love you dear. We’ll talk about this some more when i get back ”
    😲 😲 😲

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