Jean’s Gospel: Forgiving and Being Forgiven

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  1. John 20:29 says:

    “Because our sinful nature still clings to us, even after initial conversion, the Christian life is one of daily repentance, of turning back to our Father with contrition and receiving His free grace. Even Jesus’ disciples, when beset with the sin of pride, were admonished by our Lord to “turn and become like children….” amen
    there is a danger, however, in ritual confession … well, maybe a couple dangers (there’s always danger lurking – that hissing snake)… i recall a woman raised R.C. who said that as a child, when going to confession, she’d make up sins for which to be forgiven because she couldn’t think of anything that she’d done to confess to the priest… and there’s the one that i fall into the danger of repeating a thoughtless confession that, yes i’m a sinner – with no time before the Lord examining my conduct and confessing real trespasses…

  2. Jean says:

    Good point John 20:29. If what our heart is thinking is out of sync with what our mouth is saying, then we are not really praying. Then we are just “heap[ing] up empty phrases as the Gentiles do”.

  3. I don’t know if my heart has ever been in sync with my confession – so I guess I need to confess that.
    The difference between RCC and at least Lutheran confession is that Lutherans do not require a listing of our sin – just repentance that we sin.

    I am sitting in a business meeting typing this – I repent of that.

  4. Owen says:

    What we usually do for confession in our Lutheran church is we have a period of quiet meditation to bring personal sins before God – at this time I usually ask Him to show me what He wants me to repent of . (It’s not very often that He leaves me hanging, either…)
    After this, we go through the corporate confession and absolution.

  5. Owen says:

    MLD,

    So, if repentance means a turning away from our sin, does that mean you’ll never do this in a business meeting again? 😉

  6. Paige says:

    The prayer of confession and seeking forgiveness takes on a whole new dimension when praying while adding the name (or thinking about) of someone you are at odds with..

    “I’m sorry, xyz. Please forgive me, xyz, Thank you, xyz, I love you, xyz”, even tho you are praying to Our Father in Heaven, as if speaking in person to them. This is a practice in line with ‘as we forgive others’, and taking the lower seat, and deeply acknowledging that I/we are not sinless or have likely been a contributor to discord with that person. or any person….. Imagine getting the opportunity to say it in person….wow….

    The Hawaiian culture calls this “Ho’oponopono”, which is a means of reconciliation …both with God and with others. It’s pretty heavy, profoundly humbling, and my current meditation.

    I only recently learned about this practice…. and have found it deeply moving and healing.
    Just saying it to the Lord….
    I’m sorry.
    Please forgive me.
    Thank You.
    I love You.

    Can it become a meaningless ritual? Sure….but for me, for now, it’s been very powerful.

    Thank you Jean, for your contemplation and teaching on the Model Prayer…

  7. Jean says:

    Owen,

    We have the same practice, and at home I always examine myself. I don’t think repentance takes place in the abstract.

  8. Jean says:

    Thank you Paige!

  9. Jean & Owen,
    How do you remember alli of your sins?

  10. Owen says:

    I agree, Jean.

    I’m finding myself reading the post over and over, there is much there to absorb and learn from .
    Thank you.

  11. Owen says:

    Paige,
    That is powerful – also difficult at times. Well said.

  12. Paige says:

    I’ve been practicing saying it outloud with the names of a few people who have deeply hurt me….Hardest ‘weight’ I’ve ever lifted….but so good.

  13. dusty says:

    Paige, what a good practice to do…difficult as it is it is good for us. thank you

  14. dusty says:

    I have to remind myself that forgiveness does not mean trust is restored or earned or given…

  15. dusty says:

    MLD are you still in your meeting? ;}

  16. Em ... again says:

    12, 13 and 14 (good qualifier IMO) … good words – it’s called grace, i believe, is it not?

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