Jean’s Gospel: Our Father Who Art in Heaven Part 2

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15 Responses

  1. Josh the Baptist says:

    Great exposition, Jean. Keep it up!

  2. Michael says:

    I’m deeply in debt to N.T. Wright for how he describes how close “heaven” is to us….it changes ones perspective greatly…

  3. Jean says:

    Thanks Josh.

  4. Michael says:

    “Therefore, when we pray to our Father who art in heaven, we should reflect on our lives here in exile. Such reflection can guide our petitions to ask for the things which will preserve us in Christ and bring us home to the heavenly country which He has prepared for us.”

    That is gold…

  5. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Jean 2 thumbs up.

  6. Jean says:

    Thank you Michael and MLD (you can rest your thumbs now 🙂 ).

  7. Owen says:

    Jean, this is a wonderful read, thank you. I find it no small irony that all this description of heaven helps me feel more “grounded” 😉

    This is a great way to start my morning, being reminded of the Creator and Sustainer of our very existence.

  8. Jean says:

    Thank you Owen.

    You picked up on something that Michael alluded to, which is God’s continuing creative and sustaining activity in the world. I think the Israelites and early Christians had a sense of God’s providential (and, for my Calvinist friends: “sovereign” 🙂 ) rule.

    But today, a lot of Christians see only two extremes: (1) either God does a law-of-nature breaking miracle; or (2) he’s on the sidelines somewhere in heaven not involved at all. However, the Scriptures tell a different story. God can certainly do the (1) miracle, but He is creating and sustaining creation all the time in countless ways we take for granted and using people and his natural laws of nature to get things done.

    I am learning to be more attentive and thankful to all that God does, but I am a product of my times and culture, just as everyone else is. We need a lot of re-programming. 🙂

  9. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Jean – how is God today actively creating? I have always been of the opinion creation is complete. I am sure you mean it in a different way. Even the creation of new humans God has left up to us – which I appreciate 🙂

  10. Jean says:

    God’s hand is in the creation of new life, spiritual and bodily. That’s why David could say that God knit him together in his mother’s womb.

  11. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Thanks for the clarification. That’s not what I learned in high school health class! 😉

    That is more like assembly. God is at rest from his creative acts – ex nihilo.

  12. Owen says:

    “That is more like assembly – God is at rest from his creative acts.”

    I dunno about that one – assembly is just simply putting together parts that were already made, and the results are the same item, repetitively.

    Every person that God knits toether in the womb is different – truly a new creation and new life.

  13. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Owen, God created everything out of nothing during the first 6 days and on the 7th day he rested. God is at rest from his creative activities. Now we use the stuff already created to make new stuff — like plastic 🙂

    That David passage may be a bit poetic, although I do not want to take anything away from the meaning. I think God loaded me up and loaded up Mrs. MLD with all the ingredients to make new life – but somehow the ingredients already created still make something new.

  14. Owen says:

    See, I think the “somehow” you mentioned is where God is at work…..

    So, are you saying you are more on the side of ” (2)” , that Jean mentioned in #8?

  15. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Owen, not #2 at all – I think God does quite a bit and is very active in his creation – I am just saying that God is no longer creating.

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