Jean’s Gospel: Shalom

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  1. Steve says:

    How then did the Jews squander their advantage and miss the time of their visitation? It was not due to a lack of knowledge, hope or zeal. The reason was that His people rejected “the things that make for peace!”

    Wrong!

    Read Romans 11 1-11. God blinded His people for the Salvation of the Gentiles…

    Shalom!

  2. Descended says:

    Steve

    The two are held in tension, imo.

  3. Steve says:

    Ok, I can agree that one caused the other…

  4. Descended says:

    Jean

    I would take issue with

    “Jesus came across as a trouble maker, not a peace maker.”

    Not according to Nicodemus, John 3, and not aiding to the snobs he cast out in front of the Pharisees and Sadducees. Since they were not interested in peace or doctrine as you said (“if you believed Moses, you would believe Me”) and since their messiah was/is, that’s what upset the apple cart.

    Jesus is the fulfilment of their law, and the law is good. They knew this explicitly but could not let go of their status.

  5. Descended says:

    Steve

    Yet it was all according to plan. He’s a genius God…

  6. Descended says:

    Darn spell checker

    Not aiding to the snobs he cast out…

    *sigh*

    Not according to the demons He cast out…

  7. Jean says:

    Steve,

    I think the way sin generally works is that it leads to blindness (or a hardness of heart) if it is not addressed. Sometimes it is even said that God will hand us over, or give us up, to our sin. For these reason, repentance should also be preached to Christians, never alone, but to be followed by the Gospel.

    Thanks for raising a very good issue.

  8. Jean says:

    Fair point, Descended, regarding Nicodemus. But by a preponderance of the Sanhedrin and its Chief Priests, Jesus was a trouble maker which they decided to hand over to Pilate.

  9. Steve says:

    He was bad for bad for business because they had a religious monopoly… Ironically, how much does organised church play the same game?

  10. Jean says:

    Steve,

    Could we take your question a step further and ask if the problem exists that Jesus encroches on our self-determination and independence?

  11. John 20:29 says:

    not germane to the lesson today, but i don’t think i know what translation of the Scripture you work from, Jean (if i were a scholar, i’m sure i’d recognize it) thank you

  12. Steve says:

    Could we take your question a step further and ask if the problem exists that Jesus encroches on our self-determination and independence?

    Absolutely! (imho) and that’s the problem so many have with the way of the cross, ie. we MUST die!

    Many who followed turned away from Him when he said,”unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no part with me” That was a very hard saying for most kosher Jews!

  13. Jean says:

    Hi Em,

    I use the ESV for these articles. I think the ESV is the default translation if one types a Bible citation in the comment section of this blog.

  14. John 20:29 says:

    i think our God is beyond genius… this was a point in time when the proud Jew was not about to let any man instruct him in the things of God, even God Himself… it was the right time – our sins do find us out…
    but God is working off of a plan set in place before time and only God could interweave free will with destiny to exactly achieve perfection …
    i think even the solar eclipses occur according to plan and all those stars in their courses out there are on a schedule, too – to us it all looks random, and it is, but it isn’t
    but for the grace and plan of God, they’d all collide right now … and then there’d be shalom 🙂 but God’s shalom offered and promised is a better shalom IMNSHO

  15. Duane Arnold says:

    Jean

    For what it is worth, I agree that Jesus was indeed came across as a trouble maker, not a peace maker… he broke religious laws, came close to being stoned, had a habit of healing those considered to be on the margins of society, told parables that had stinging points, overturned a few tables… Not sure he would fit in with most churches… (and that does not even take into consideration his friends – zealots, tax collectors, etc.)

    Nicely done.

  16. John 20:29 says:

    thank you, Jean – ESV works – thank you for being patient with a non scholar

  17. Jean says:

    Very true Steve.

    There was another question a Scribe asked Jesus on one occasion: “And who is my neighbor?” Jesus’ answer remains as hard today as it was to His original hearers.

  18. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Jesus works in odd ways at times. Somewhere Jesus said that he did not come to bring peace but to bring division – we know that is an accurate statement by Jesus.

    The peace part is a negotiated deal between Jesus and the Father for the benefit of man – but it may be experiential unknown by man.

  19. John 20:29 says:

    #18- those of us in the Faith who have family rejecting the faith know what you mean… it is amazing how they can turn on us… and, at best, we end up in a “Mexican standoff” on the subject… to coin a politically incorrect term…

  20. Jean says:

    “The peace part is a negotiated deal between Jesus and the Father for the benefit of man – but it may be experiential unknown by man.”

    I think “peace” works experientially similar to “joy.” Jesus gives us peace and joy, but often in this life it’s an inward peace and joy, the fruit which faith receives from the Spirit.

    The KJV translates Paraclete “Comforter” whereas the ESV translates Paraclete “Helper.” I think He is both a Helper and a Comforter, but in the matter of peace and joy, the translation “Comforter” may convey these aspects of His ministry more closely.

  21. Descended says:

    Well, if Michael is any example, peace certainly isn’t lack of conflict or pain. Must be deeper and more permanent ☺

  22. Michael says:

    There are different definitions to the word “peace”.
    As I’ve gone through myriad difficulties the last couple of years, I occasionally get emails telling me that my tribulations are the wrath of God on me for something I’ve written.

    Sometimes, I’m tempted to believe that is true.

    However , I know that through Jesus the wrath of God toward me has been nullified…I am at peace with God.

    He is not angry with me.

    When I arrive at the hospital tomorrow, I will be calm and able to deal with what is happening because He will be present with me.
    I will be at peace…mostly. 🙂

  23. Descended says:

    I love in SoCal near the San Bernardino mountains. It’s lovely hot here.

    We have this though

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mojave_River

    And others like it.

    Most of it is hidden. It reminds me of the constance of joy and peace in Christ Jesus. God bless, Michael.

  24. Jean says:

    Michael,

    Jesus will be present with you tomorrow. The Lord bless you and keep you…

  25. JD says:

    Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil, for You are with me; Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me.

    Our prayers are going up for Michael.

  26. John 20:29 says:

    “I know that through Jesus the wrath of God toward me has been nullified…I am at peace with God.” AMEN ! … and amen also to the many facets of the word “peace” …
    as Jean observed @20, “I think “peace” works experientially similar to “joy.” Jesus gives us peace and joy, but often in this life it’s an inward peace and joy, the fruit which faith receives from the Spirit.” … the joy of the Lord IS our strength…
    old timers used to sing hymns about peace… so many beautiful ones and most written in turbulent testing, too, i believe…
    we cannot manufacture this peace… it is a bit of a mystery, but what a beautiful reality it is…

    affirming with others here for Michael’s safe keeping through tomorrow – thank You, Lord

  27. Owen says:

    I’m late to this party, but thanks Jean for a good, meaty study.

    Agreeing with John 20:29, we cannot manufacture this peace, and it is a mystery and beautiful reality at the same time.

    Sharing a song here, that boils down peace to the basics.

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