Jean’s Gospel: The Good Shepherd

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  1. Michael says:

    Well done, Jean!

    On a day like this we all need reminded that jesus is the Good Shepherd…as opposed to some other kinds.

    Thank you for keeping us focused every week on Christ.

  2. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    So is Jesus really the Good Shepherd or is his statement “I am the good shepherd.” really saying that he only represents the Good Shepherd (who would actually be someone else) or is he saying “I symbolize the Good Shepherd.” ?

  3. Michael says:

    That…is sophistry and detracts from the message.
    We need not have another go around on the real Presence…

  4. Josh the Baptist says:

    He is saying I am the good Shepherd in the exact same sense that he says This is my body. (MLD never tires of this 🙂 )

    And I am thankful he is the Good shepherd, and that I am one the sheep.

    Also thankful for a good article, Jean.

  5. Jean says:

    Thank you Michael and Josh.

    MLD, not only is Jesus THE Good Shepherd, but he offers His sheep some amazing gifts.

  6. Duane Arnold says:

    Jean

    Many thanks… a fine piece.

  7. Xenia says:

    Very good article, Jean, thank you!

    If this thread becomes another debate about the Real Presence I am going to scream…..

  8. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Well it is really about how we interpret the words of Jesus – do we take them at face value … as in this case?

    My argument is never with the real presence — it is the position held by others I object to – the real absence.

    Good article Jean.

  9. Josh the Baptist says:

    I don’t want to Xenia to scream…well, I probably won’t hear it, so…:)

    But nobody argues that Jesus is absent. Just for the record.

  10. Duane Arnold says:

    MLD

    With some of us you are preaching to the choir.
    With others one should listen to them with respect for their tradition and, I might say, learn from them.
    None of us have a corner on the truth.

  11. em ... again says:

    it is a good thing that Michael and Xenia have warned against a debate on what is “real” because this afternoon i have nothing to do and am full of thots on the subject… i will follow the advice of Dr Arnold

    and, yes, we are sheep-like and at the mercy of the shepherd, pray for us sheep to all have good under-shepherds… and maybe access to the PhxP… “So there will be one flock, one shepherd.”
    good food for thought again, Jean

    i can see our Lord, in Eternity, setting us down in ranks: Baptists (of all stripes), Episcopalians, Roman Catholics, Anglicans, Orthodox (of all stripes), Presbyterians, Lutherans, Seventh Day Adventists, Calvary Chapelites, etc. and a few strays that wandered into unnamed fellowships of false claimers to the name of Jesus Christ… each in our own group and we will be taught what we got right and what we went to seed on 🙂
    hey, maybe each group will have their own celebrity teacher: Peter, James, Matthew, Paul etc.

  12. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Jean,
    From your statement “”This knowing is not mere intellectual knowledge, but is a relationship as intimate as the one that exists between Jesus and the Father (John 10:15)

    What does this mean? – how does this occur?

  13. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Duane,
    I only asked a question and summed it up with this – “Well it is really about how we interpret the words of Jesus – do we take them at face value … as in this case?”

    Some things we do know as true and just because someone or some other tradition takes exception does not lessen the truth.

    btw, when I was on in the other tradition, I did pay attention and learned from “the other side”. 😉

  14. Jean says:

    MLD,

    You asked, “What does this mean? – how does this occur?” in reference to a sentence in my article referring to this verse: “I know my own and my own know me, just as the Father knows me and I know the Father”.

    This is an astonishing statement by Jesus, I will admit. It is so improbable that good Christians probably are often too reticent, confused or insecure to actually confess these words out loud, much less to their friends. After all, “How good must someone be to make this claim?” So as not to write such a long comment that no one will read this, let me kick off a discussion with 3 thoughts:

    (1) A noted theologian once said something like: “Sanctification is the process of getting used to justification.” If one is to speak of sanctification as a process, it is the process of believing more and more what God says is true about you. It is hearing more and more His Gospel, and by hearing, trusting more and more in the words of Christ for us.

    Here you have the perfect example: “I know my own and my own know me, just as the Father knows me and I know the Father”. Do we believe it? It’s God’s Word; it must be true; but do we believe what He says about us and Him?

    Christ bestows us with so many riches and wonderful gifts. But some of us just take the minimum and try to earn the rest. We “accept” salvation, give up on the Gospel, and run to our own sanctification project. He gives us everything; there is no project. He says, “I know my own and my own know me, just as the Father knows me and I know the Father”. Can one have a closer relationship than what He says we have? Do we believe it.

    (2) There is no “becoming” in this verse. There are not different levels of sheep. We do not rise to Him to be known or close. There is no work, no pietism, no moralism. There is just Him and us. There is just “you are forgiven.” Do you believe that?

    (3) Here is just how intimate the union between Christ and His sheep is (His words, not mine): “For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.” Do you believe His words? Never mind trying to explain everything through human enlightenment, wisdom, science. etc. Are you willing to believe Him?

    Everyone: Can we believe Him?

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