Josh Turansky’s Article on Dealing With Don McClure and the CCA….

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36 Responses

  1. Surfer51 says:

    Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!
    Psalm 133:1

  2. Corby says:

    The pastor in me loves this post.

    The IT nerd in me is curious about who and how people are getting a virus warning. The blog is hosted on Squarespace which is a closed system which is very minimal in its customization unlike a self-hosted WordPress site, which I have several of and have been the victim of malware infections.

  3. Michael says:

    Corby,

    I had a bunch of people report it on my Facebook page…there are screenshots i can’t post here.

  4. Steve says:

    Great article, but if your not a CC leader you are directed to another article because this one’s not for you. Now, if anyone really wants to know the DNA of CC, that’s it right there. Be condescending to the sheep and keep them in the dark because its none of your business about what is happening organizationally. The positive thing is at least Josh is posting this for ALL to see whether he is right or wrong about this being only for the CC leaders.

  5. Chuck Smith says:

    Josh has reported accurately. Because he has nothing to lose he therefore can speak with precision and honesty.

    Don’s actions, fueled by entitlement and his need to self-identify as a leader, embedded in the hierarchy of those I supposedly, “appointed” to run CCA, have been an embarrassment, and don’t genuinely represent the original spirit/heart of Calvary Chapel…

    Don has reported with half-truths and in some cases, outright deception, and because he has much to lose (title/position/status/identity among the CCA “appointed”) he therefore is a slave to his self-deceived bias.

    I grieve from the grave…and hope my sons in the faith will rediscover the freedom/joy they once clung to in Jesus when they first were saved, which has sadly/gradually been lost through many years of building their empire, rather than His Kingdom.

  6. ( |o )====::: says:

    Wow, that takes some 100# stones to show up and dare to post in the name of Chuck Smith.

    What a disgusting human but then, we live in an era of disgusting humans.

    Have you no shame?

  7. The New Victor says:

    I got a security warning from work (large tech company, Firefox 20.0.1 from Linux).

    I didn’t get it from home (Windows 10, Firefox [latest]). I had clicked the link soon after the article was posted here.

    p.s. altered my handle due to a Victor who far pre-dates me

  8. The Least of These says:

    @5
    You continue to repost the same lame thing from the other Turansky post? Stuff like this is why so many in the faith and outside the faith believe that Christian’s lack rationale. It’s in bad taste (meaning rude and vulgar- look it up) and shows an alarming lack of common sense. You didn’t help Brian’s cause and you certainly don’t come off as anyone who actually knows anything pertinent in regards to McClure. Actually you look like a sycophant of a quasi-cult… I’m embarrassed for you…

  9. Potatoehead says:

    Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!
    Psalm 133:1

  10. Ccaccgn says:

    Everyone keeps saying cca is failing but the turnout at this weeks conference was infinitely more crowded than previous years at Costa Mesa conference….better teaching too!

  11. Bob Sweat says:

    Ccaccgn,

    We all know, it’s all about teaching! Too bad that many pastors feel that’s all there is.

  12. pstrmike says:

    @11,
    The real question is what constitutes good teaching? Hearing those things that we hold as true, whether or not we can adequately respond to any theological challenges? Or things that we can fit into our personal epistemological practice(which can easily be shaped by others whom we deed as authority), in spite of how narrow that might be?

    I’ve been a Christian for over 50 years. I’ve stayed the course. That doesn’t mean I haven’t changed my position on certain doctrines and considered other ideas within the realm of orthodox Christian thought. It means that I can look back over those years and recognize that while there were some times when it didn’t appear that I was even on the course, Jesus was still with me. Because of Him I’m still here today, and He is faithful to complete what He began in me many years ago. Staying the course is about Jesus and our relationship with Him, not about a certain belief system.

  13. Bob Sweat says:

    What pastrmike said!

  14. Captain Kevin says:

    pstrmike, that’s the whole enchilada right there…AMEN!!!

  15. Disillusioned says:

    Only a blind guide would lead someone to “stay the course” in the broken CC system. Agree with others that many in “leadership” have forgotten that it’s all about our relationship with Jesus.
    Also — people in CC think it’s such “great teaching” because they are told so week in and week out. Yes, I mean brainwashed.

  16. Hannah says:

    So has it been established that the Pastor owns the land/ property of the CC.? Does it become an inheritance for his kids?
    That’s been my understanding.
    And can he purchase real estate ( personal properties, condos, investments etc) unbeknownst to the ones who title?
    What formalities if any are in place in CCs in this regard?
    If a Pastor leaves, I understand the title to the property is in someone’s personal name.

    Seems like a lucrative business for some of them.

  17. Hannah says:

    The ones who tithe.. Not title

  18. Michael says:

    “So has it been established that the Pastor owns the land/ property of the CC.? Does it become an inheritance for his kids?”

    No.

    There is no monolithic way that “all” CC’s operate in this regard.
    Nor, is there any “canon law” to address the issue.

    Some have set things up to own the property personally, others have it under the control of the non profit corporation.

  19. Steve Wright says:

    Any pastor who truly has legally arranged things to own assets of the church in his personal name (i.e. personal social security number) is violating all sorts of laws and should repent quickly (if done out of ignorance) or be fired immediately (if done deliberately).

  20. Hannah says:

    is that how other churches operate?

    The Pastor gets to own the land, when the congregation pays the mortgage on it?

  21. Michael says:

    Hannah,

    Again, as Steve as pointed out, this is often illegal and always unethical, and not common.
    There have been instances of other independent pastors finagling such,but usually the non profit laws forbid it.

  22. Hannah says:

    aside from my CC,another church owned an entire shopping center and the pastor wanted the congregation to raise 35,000.00 to finish his mortgage. There were at least 30 other parcels there he rented.
    So, we were supposed to help him leave his kids a 5 million dollar inheritance ( at least)?

    I thought it was established on Alex,s blog that the CC Pastors owned the church/ property.
    If they bow out its theirs.

  23. Hannah says:

    Ok. I heard something that disturbed me greatly but I won’t post it.
    Thanks

  24. Michael says:

    “I thought it was established on Alex,s blog that the CC Pastors owned the church/ property.”

    I don’t know what was “established”, all I know is that it’s false.

  25. Hannah says:

    One more..
    So, if a CC folds, and sells..coukd be another church or a developer…who gets the profits from the sale?

  26. Michael says:

    Hannah,

    In these matters the devil is in the details.
    The corporate non profit laws would have to be applied on a case to case basis.

  27. Hannah says:

    Ok

    A lot of the giving was for building.
    So if the Pastor retires and sells the church, it seems a whole lot would personally go in his pocket.
    Like no return on the investment sort of thing…

  28. Michael says:

    “So if the Pastor retires and sells the church, it seems a whole lot would personally go in his pocket.”

    That is illegal.

    Unless you know specifics, it probably didn’t go down that way.

  29. Steve Wright says:

    Hannah. If you have ever secured a loan on a personal home, or even a car, you know the process is very specific, requires credit checks, often bank statements, proof of income etc.

    Legal title to an asset is not easily tossed around…

  30. Jodi Roderick McClure says:

    Dear Michael, I don’t recall the date the foregone blog was written, nor is this important really, in the great scheme of things. First I must express how sorry I am and profoundly touched by your intelligent and fair break down of the events surrounding your association with Don McClure. I am very aware that as a former McClure I am not unbiased in my opinion of the utmost confusion that occurres when dealing with CCA. In particular, the McClures, who are a lovable, witty and strangely loyalty provoking group of very human leaders. What I want to tell you is that your experience is the tip of the iceberg. Absolute power corrupts absolutely is a quote that comes to mind but I’d rather leave you with this: it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the gates of heaven.

  31. Michael says:

    Jodi,

    Thank you for that…if you ever want to contact me it’s phoenixpreacher@gmail.com

  32. Troy Harper says:

    Amazing! I went to CCBC with Josh Turansky (and his wife). He is the same little jerk that he was then. He started as a great guy, but he gained some power, and it consumed him. He still believes that he knows everything and others should know nothing. Still condescending, and I can hear him saying all of that article in his native hipster. Don, Mike, and the rest of the men that he is badmouthing were his teachers; he should be ashamed of himself. There are details that he left out; there always were, and not much has changed in two decades. Brian betrayed Calvary Chapel, and if Josh feels the need to defend the golden calf, that is his problem. The people that built Calvary Chapel, or as he might refer to them: the laity, they need to know the truth. The vail ripped for a reason; stop trying to sew it back and say that there is nothing to see. The emperor is naked! Give up the charade.

  33. Michael says:

    The truth is that Josh spoke well and courageously and he’s doing more for the kingdom now than all your heroes…

  34. Tobe says:

    The truth is… what Michael, stop circling the wagon, people see through the TRUTH!

  35. Michael says:

    Tobe,

    Josh laid out the facts.
    I’ve done so numerous times.
    What facts do you have?

  36. Justin L says:

    No, Michael,

    As a CCBC alum from his time there, and I think Troy was my friend Dan’s roommate. Many students hated Josh. I visited CCCM a few times over the years. I spoke to Josh once and asked him about the split. He got offended, raised his voice, and told me that it was none of my business. I asked again, and he asked me to leave, or he would call security.

    I do not trust his statements.

    Hi Troy! “John 4:8 Time for Cookies!”

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