Kevin H: To Vote or Not To Vote?

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76 Responses

  1. Dallas says:

    I side with Montgomery Brewster on this one:

    None of the above.

  2. Josh the Baptist says:

    Not voting. This year I am more proud of that than ever.

    to your points:

    1 – I would rather Hillary win, so I am fine with that.

    2 – Uhhh, maybe, but what about the bad things that happen under Trump? Can’t sleep with that pinned on me either.

    3 – Voting is not a “God given responsibility.” One would have to do a LOAD of biblical twisting to convince me of that.

  3. Kevin H says:

    Hey Michael, fix that typo – “Adolf”, not “Adolph”.

  4. Kevin H says:

    Josh,

    As to point 3, most times I have heard this it’s not stated directly as a “God given” responsibility. The God given is seemingly often implied or argued for in an around about way. There have been instances, however, where I have heard the God given part directly stated.

  5. Josh the Baptist says:

    Oh, I often hear that it is a God Given Duty for all Christians to vote.

  6. Michael says:

    Kevin,

    I got it…sorry.

    I think Kevin has done here was our goal is to always do…which is to give voice to people who don’t have one.
    I think his thoughts reflect the thoughts of many and I’m proud to post this today.

  7. Jean says:

    Our God given responsibilities are summed up as love God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself (not that we actually live up to those responsibilities). So we do the best we can, repent when we fail, and God is pleased with us. If God is pleased you, then you are blessed.

    Don’t let anyone guilt you with their hang ups.

  8. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    I don’t like Hillary just because I don’t – Trump is dangerous if only for the fact that he has no experience on the world stage —- unless you count the Miss Universe pageant.

    I am voting for Hillary, and lobbying for others to do the same just so we get the woman President issue off the table and we can move on. We got rid of the black President issue and survived.

    Now what is more important, watch who you vote for locally – because when you don’t you end up with those bright light billboards in your neighborhood and water rates that go up.

  9. Rob Murphy says:

    I know polling is problematic and often flawed, but if one of these two is to be elected – and by reason and historical observation we see that’s very likely – then one of them will be the Commander in Chief. I have decided that I will carefully watch polling of our military to see which of these two the active military would prefer to have sending them into harm’s way. I have friends on active duty. I’m asking them their preference.

    Everything I have to lose in this election (if anything at all) is nothing compared to life itself. I should reward the “Greater love” of those who lay down their lives for my freedom (my freedom to sit out an election, even) by selecting their preference – maybe even over my own.

    When in doubt about a Commander in Chief, ask someone who may actually have to die by that Commander’s word.

  10. Kevin H says:

    Rob,

    That’s a perspective definitely worth considering.

  11. Jean says:

    Rob,

    I agree with Kevin that your perspective is worth considering. Thank you for highlighting that angle

  12. Em again says:

    this post from a Christian’s perspective, is the most reasoned and rational that i have come across

    good comments, too … Rob’s especially has me pondering … what will be seen in November, i wonder …

  13. Xenia says:

    I also don’t agree that God commands us as Christians to vote in the American elections. I don’t get angry easily, but when people tell me it’s my Christian duty to vote for a wicked person, I have to walk away from the conversation.

    Hillary is an enemy of Eastern Orthodoxy. Remember Pussy Riot, that band of females who desecrated Christ the Savior Cathedral in Russia a few years ago? And are known for other obscenities that I won’t post here? Hillary commended them for their courage.

    Yet even so, and even though I will never vote for Hillary, if she wins it will be another four years of drip drip drip into further mediocrity. Sure, like-minded judges will be appointed but as I said last week, no one is forcing me to have an abortion or marry my girlfriend. These are still matters of conscience.

    All Trump has to do is call the leader of North Korea “Fatso with a bad haircut” (which he is perfectly capable of doing) then Fatso will drop a nuclear bomb on South Korea and WW3 has begun. Either that or a dozen other possible scenarios. This goes way beyond something I can control by following my conscience.

    I will not vote for either and I will not be guilted into choosing the lesser of two evils. But I think I might be a little relieved if Hillary wins.

  14. Mr Jesperson says:

    Kevin, I appreciate that someone is actually thinking through things instead of playing ideologue. I see no command in the scriptures to vote. We serve a Kingdom, not a democracy. Idealists have manufactured guilt trips based on their ideals. Unscrupulous people try to use that to get out the vote for their candidate. God has been highlighting to me how terrible the fruit is that comes out of selfish ambition. I cannot in good conscience vote any longer for such men and women. To me, it is like aiming a shotgun at my own feet and pulling the trigger. Rather you believe in the Narcissist label or not, people who act this way have been lording it over others for millennia. I regret voting for some candidates that won in the past. They have done some evil things afterwards according to the Word.

  15. Cookie says:

    Its ridiculous to hear people say that Trump is a loose cannon who is dangerous. The man is a multi-billionaire who has negotiated deals with the toughest businessmen in the world for over 40 years. He is much smarter than people think. He will win this election, probably in a landslide. He will hire smart, terrific people to change Washington and get things done. The same way he got things done in many cities he has worked in. Ask New York, ask Palm Beach. Don’t throw his Atlantic City bankruptcies at me- every casino went bust in Atlantic City.

    Anyone who stays home in 2016 and doesn’t vote loses all right to complain about our govt over the next 4 years. If you dont participate- you don’t complain. People are fed up with the do nothings in Washington. Wages are stagnant- taxes are out of control- the world is in chaos- the culture is in the toilet- and the borders are wide open.

    These are the issues Americans care about. If not voting is a moral issue remember we are voting for a leader not a pastor.

  16. Xenia says:

    Ok Cookie, you are saying we have to vote or we lose our right to complain.

    How evil does a candidate have to be before even you will not vote for him or her? Seriously, can you imagine a time in the future (I think this time is now) when the Repub candidate is so entirely odious that even you cannot vote for him? I am just wondering if you have a limit.

  17. Xenia says:

    Kevin’s article is very good, I think.

  18. Josh the Baptist says:

    I also reserve the right to complain all I want. Not voting, will complain.

    In fact Cookie, I’ll probably do it right here on the PhxP so you can see that you are wrong.

  19. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    I can complain whether I vote or not. That is the claim of the weak minded politically lacking.

    My prediction is Trump not only loses, but he will lose in the style of Barry Goldwater in 1964 AND he takes down the entire lower ballot for the GOP.

    It would be better for the GOP to cancel their convention, admit they are screwed up, concede the election to Hillary and promise a re identification of a GOP that does project as a common sense party.

  20. Dan from georgia says:

    Kevin, of your three disturbing (absolutist) statements you highlighted above, you can add a fourth:

    If you don’t vote / vote for my perfect candidate, you have no right to complain.

    I am with Josh and Xenia on this one.

  21. Michael says:

    The culture is in the toilet…which will be solved by hiring a thrice married casino/strip club owner to clean it up.

    Perfect…

  22. Kevin H says:

    Ahhh, so I see Cookie brought up another one I was considering putting in my article….. the loss of right to complain.

    Now I’m not equating Trump & Hillary to these choices, but to prove the logic of the argument – Let’s say our election choices are Hitler and Stalin. I choose not to vote for either. I now lose the right to ever complain about anything they ever do.

    Millions of Jews being placed in concentration camps and mass murdered in gas chambers – Nope, gotta keep my mouth closed because I didn’t vote.

    Millions of citizens being wrongfully purged, falsely convicted, and executed – Nope again, still didn’t vote, still can’t say anything about it.

  23. London says:

    Absolutely voting!
    I’ll not be dissuaded from practicing the right to vote because of who is running.
    Absolutely no way I’d ever choose not to vote. Too many people have given their lives around the world to earn what I have been given simply by where and when I was born for me to throw that right away.
    I think it is our duty as citizens to not only vote, but to volunteer our time at polling sites, campaigns, etc. We need to participate in our representation and stop being passive in how our country is run.

  24. Cookie says:

    I’ll take a thrice married casino/strip club owner over a serial adulterer, accused rapist, proven liar, and erstwhile crook who was impeached in office. Yet that man (Bill Clinton) was twice elected. And, he was actually one of our better Presidents.

    Remember, we are not electing a pastor folks. Kevin H #22 is pure hyperbole. But if you want to compare Trump with Hitler and Stalin- then what are you saying about the 10 million plus voters who have already chosen him? Are we Americans completely ignorant?

    The vast heartland of this country is fed up. Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump have demonstrated that people think the country is really really broke, and needs radical change. Voting for Hillary- or sitting home doing nothing- means you disagree and like to keep things going just the way they are.

  25. Josh the Baptist says:

    A lot of people liked Hitler too.

  26. Xenia says:

    … then what are you saying about the 10 million plus voters who have already chosen him? Are we Americans completely ignorant?<<<

    I say "Lord have mercy" and "Yes."

  27. Kevin H says:

    Cookie,

    You seemed to have missed the part where I said I was NOT equating Trump and Hillary with Hitler and Stalin.

    I was using an extreme example to display the logic of an argument.

    But it is ironic that you called me out for supposedly comparing Trump to Hitler and Stalin but showed no similar concern for Hillary.

  28. Jean says:

    “The vast heartland of this country is fed up.”

    I’m in the heartland, and I’m fed up with so many people saying their fed up.

    When did so many people get so miserable about our country. Here are some things happening this very month:

    Millions of young people are graduating from high school or college.
    Millions of young people are getting college acceptance letters or job offers.
    Thousands of people are getting married, buying homes, having babies.
    Thousands of people are celebrating birthdays and anniversaries, are going to reunions.

    I could go on and on. I don’t want to make anyone who is going through hardship feel bad, but I want to say that America is the greatest engine of opportunity in the world and contains a heck of a lot of happy, content, optimistic and and grateful citizens.

  29. London says:

    For the record, I think, since we have freedom of speech in this country, even if someone doesn’t vote, they can complain.
    I believe it is a duty of citizens to participate in the government, which includes voting. I do not think it has anything with responsibility of being a Christian specifically.
    I will vote next week for Bernie Sanders in our early voting primary, and in Nov I will be voting for whomever the Democrats put up.

  30. Em again says:

    hmmm – IMV, Trump is a blatant sinner, but worse is Hillary who is an evil one…
    it would take a lot to explain that – i spare you

    so much i agree with in these comments that i’m beginning to feel like the ping pong ball in a game between good players…

    London’s #23 is, for me, a strong point …

    one thing that i’m thinking on is what do their lives indicate motivates these two candidates – i think that way above the notoriety is power – so what do their lives indicate that they personally value above everything else?

    i won’t be too surprised if we get a major player 3rd candidate, tho

  31. Xenia says:

    I am 64 years old and have voted in every presidential election since I was old enough to vote. I will go to the polls this November to vote on local issues but I will not be voting for either Trump or Hillary. Last year I voted for somebody running from a minority party and I can’t even remember his name.

    What I will not stand for:

    1. People blaming those of us who could not stomach Romney for things like Benghazi and saying their blood is on our hands. No one could have predicted Benghazi and for all you know, Romney could have done just as poorly. How about the blood on the hands of those who voted for Bush and his venture in Iraq?

    2. People telling me I am disrespecting the lives of our soldiers who have been fighting America’s endless wars which had absolutely nothing to do with our freedoms here in America. Please tell me how executing Sadam Hussein has advanced our freedoms in any way? (And Iraq was a Repub enterprise.)

    3. People telling me that I am just sitting home doing nothing by refusing to vote for either H or T. You have no idea what I am doing to make my part of the world better.

    4. People telling me I am not voting for a pastor so it doesn’t matter if the candidates morals are in the gutter. Sorry, I disagree. I think lousy morals are one of the reasons our country is in trouble.

    5. People telling me it will be my fault if Hillary wins. Well, if you don’t want Hillary to win, Ye people of the Republican party, try nominating someone I can vote for next time.

  32. Em again says:

    Jean’s #28 sent me to Matt 24:36-51 – not the Lutheran interpretation of same, but it still
    didn’t help me decide how or if to vote 🙂

  33. Jean says:

    Yes Em, you and the rest of the TBN family. Perhaps try Jeremiah 29 for another perspective. 🙂

  34. Kevin H says:

    London,

    Thanks for your input and your passion.

    For many of us here who are expressing here that we won’t vote or might not vote, it is not an issue of laziness or apathy. Rather one where we cannot discern a good choice of any degree and cannot bring ourselves to vote for someone who we think will be bad for our country.

    I grant there are many people who don’t vote for apathetic reasons. But even with them, in many ways I can at least understand why they feel apathetic about the whole election process.

  35. London says:

    Kevin,
    I never said any of those things.

  36. Kevin H says:

    Xenia,

    Thank you for adding your list. Your first point about not voting for Romney and being blamed for what happened under Obama was a point I considered wrapping into my original post. It’s the same rationale for those who want to blame whatever may happen in a Hillary presidency on those of us who don’t vote for Trump even when we don’t vote for Hillary.

    If people had legitimate reasons for why they couldn’t vote for Romney but also didn’t vote for Obama, then it is the same misleading argument when one wants to blame the non-Romney & non-Obama voter for whatever happens under Obama. It’s the same old wrongful guilt trip.

  37. j2theperson says:

    I sucked it up and voted for Romney last time, and I hate that I did that. I hate that I let myself get guilted into voting for a member of an insane religious cult. And I decided at the time that I was no longer going to allow myself to get pressured or guilted into voting for someone I believe is patently unqualified for the job. I will go to the polls in November, but hell will freeze over before I vote for Trump or Hillary. I’m not sure I can really consider myself a Republican at this point either. They’ve turned out too many terrible candidates for me to think that they care much about the country, and no doubt as many criminals, pervs, and corrupted officials amongst Republican ranks as Democrat ranks. I just wish we could get people in power who were willing and able to pull our military out of all these 3rd world conflicts we’re involved in that have nothing to do with us and just cost a lot of money that could be spent on more worthwhile things.

  38. Xenia says:

    At least Romney was a decent human being.

  39. Kevin H says:

    London,

    No you didn’t say any of those things. You had said that it was our civic duty to vote.

    I was trying to make a differentiation between reasons for why people choose not to vote. I see at least some legitimate circumstances where people shouldn’t be held to a duty or responsibility to vote. I was unclear in communicating that.

  40. Michael says:

    I think all of you are doing a service to a lot of our lurkers.
    I’m getting a lot of positive feedback on this.
    Thank you all very much.
    Excellent work, Kevin.

  41. Cookie says:

    Jean at #28: “America contains a heck of a lot of happy, content, optimistic and grateful citizens.”

    Yup- everything’s OK in the good ole USA.

    I’m optimistic because I’m going to Heaven. But I’m not optimistic that my daughter (college graduate) will find a job that meets her talents. I’m not optimistic that my nephew will get off heroin any time soon. I’m not optimistic that my 86 year old mother-in-law will get a COLA adjustment on her SS benefits. I’m not optimistic that my cousin will stay out of harm’s way in Iraq.

    Where have you been, Jean? Are you trying to say that there is not a groundswell of dissatisfaction with the do nothings in DC? Which part of the following can you dispute with real facts?

    Wages are stagnant- taxes are out of control- the world is in chaos- the culture is in the toilet- and the borders are wide open.

  42. Kevin H says:

    Thanks, Michael.

  43. Michael says:

    The borders are not wide open.
    Period.
    When you shop for produce this fall, you’ll find that out.

    There are problems here and in the rest of the world.
    There always have been and always will be.

    They won’t be solved by demagogs or rage.

    We have much to be thankful for, and much to cherish and preserve while we find sober minded, ethical, men and women to lead us to solutions.

  44. Michael says:

    I’m leaning toward a ticket of Xenia and Kevin… 🙂

  45. London says:

    Kevin, more specifically I said I think it’s a citizens duty to participate in the election process. I vote because I think it’s my duty as a citizen.
    I never said anything trying to guilt anyone else into believing that. Some people may think it is their civic duty to not vote as an act of protest. I have no issue with that.
    People can participate in multiple other ways.
    I was only speaking for myself on my motivation for voting.

  46. Papias says:

    There’s lots of people running for President….http://www.politics1.com/p2016.htm

  47. Alan says:

    I’m with Josh. I hear ad nauseum that as a Christian I simply HAVE to vote. That’s utter nonsense, unless you want to show me the verse that says such. Where does this idea stem from? If there are no good candidates, then I’m not voting. I said that on FB and one of my friends seemed to think I had denied the faith.

    Lastly, and as an aside this comment won’t be popular…….I’m amused at Republicans who are just now deciding to either not vote or vote 3rd party. As if Romney, McCain or Bush were a good choice. LOL.

  48. Kevin H says:

    London, I don’t think you were guilting anyone. I think you expressed yourself commendably.

  49. Alan says:

    @ Xenia (#13),

    Disclaimer: as my previous post indicates, I’m either not voting or voting 3rd party.

    I actually think it’s easy to make the case that Hillary is far more dangerous on the war front than Trump. Hillary is clearly in with the war mongering crowd in DC and is ready and willing to go along with Obama and start the war in Syria (and probably other places as well). Trump was skewered by the media for saying…..gasp….that he’d rather talk to Putin to try to stabilize the situation. The horror, how dare he do that and cut into the profits of the “defense” industry?!?

  50. Alan says:

    @ Jean (28),

    Near the end of Rome, right before it finally collapsed, many were still going on about their lives, as if Rome were in its glory days.

    I’m sorry, what you wrote seems downright silly to me. People are graduating HS. So what? Public HS’s make sure the kids get through no matter what. Getting accepted to college. Great, so that can be indoctrinated to believe they belong to one of 100 different genders, and can’t say or do anything without being hounded by the PC police and social justice warriors.

    We’re fast reaching the point where interest on the national debt will consume 100% of federal revenues. Then what do we do? The govt spys on its own citizens. Our “leaders” are pushing us into more meaningless wars. People who used to be called Middle class can’t find jobs. Much of rural America, what used to be standard middle class towns, now resemble third world countries. An all powerful fed govt is becoming increasingly repressive. We gave up following the Constitution decades ago. A growing % of people believe free speech should not be a right. But sure, celebrate the fact that kids graduate from kindergarden.

  51. London says:

    Putin is NOT someone we should be buddying up with.

  52. Em again says:

    Jean’s #33 – Em, you and the rest of the TBN family… 😯 say what?

  53. Xenia says:

    I will agree with Jean inasmuch as I, personally, have much to be grateful for. I am happily married, our kids are doing well and love us, we have cute grandchildren, we own our own house and cars, I have fruit trees, chickens and a nice vegetable garden, I have my own library, I am part of an institute for Orthodox studies, I have a wonderful dog and a tolerable cat, I get on well with my neighbors, we have enough money to live well but not extravagantly, and best of all we are members of a perfectly wonderful parish. So I am content, happy and grateful. This is the best time of my life.

    But I would be blind and heartless to imagine my situation is true for everyone.

  54. Em again says:

    “I just wish we could get people in power who were willing and able to pull our military out of all these 3rd world conflicts we’re involved in that have nothing to do with us and just cost a lot of money that could be spent on more worthwhile things.” … the older i get the more i can say amen to that thot
    i see the logic of a strong military at the ready because it is not a nice world, but let those nations eat each other up without making us the main course all the time…
    we’re dancing to someone else’s tune (not sure whose), spending our resources while this nation crumbles in so many ways – so very many ways…

    aaand we need to wise up and quit thinking that we just need a good President – it’s Congress that is hanging us out to swing in the breeze – every special interest seems to have their go-to guy up there on the hill … IMHO

  55. Jean says:

    We live in a world corrupted by sin. We ourselves are corrupted by sin. None of us are innocent bystanders to the evil we see around us.

    None of us deserve more than we have. All of us, who have breath, have blessings from God. Most of us have many blessings to be grateful for.

    All of this temporal stuff is just a blip on the radar of eternity. Don’t surrender your worldview and your ability to receive God’s goodness to the principalities and powers of this world. I may not wake up tomorrow. I may discover a malignant tumor tomorrow. If not me, someone else. This is what happens in a world corrupted by sin and inhabited by nothing but sinners.

    If you want to make a difference, repent, receive from Jesus, and share what he gives you with those around you.

    There are seasons of plenty and seasons of drought. Sometimes the faithful suffer and the wicked appear to thrive. The Psalms teach us that, regardless of our circumstances, our help is in the name of the Lord. His Word lights our path and is a lamp to our feet. He will save us from the snares and the pits.

  56. Em again says:

    Here’s a snatch from Jean’s recommendation that i go back and read Jeremiah’s letter to the exiled Israelites again:

    Jer. twenty-nine beginning at verse 4

    “Thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, to all the exiles whom I have sent into exile from Jerusalem to Babylon:
    Build houses and live in them; plant gardens and eat their produce.
    Take wives and have sons and daughters; take wives for your sons, and give your daughters in marriage, that they may bear sons and daughters; multiply there, and do not decrease.
    But seek the welfare of the city where I have sent you into exile, and pray to the LORD on its behalf, for in its welfare you will find your welfare.
    For thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel: Do not let your prophets and your diviners who are among you deceive you, and do not listen to the dreams that they dream,
    for it is a lie that they are prophesying to you in my name; I did not send them, declares the LORD.”

    looks like Jeremiah’s advice is to get out and vote … or does it? 🙂

  57. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Cookie – as a Republican / Conservative I would think you think it is the government’s responsibility to get your daughter a job and get your nephew off heroin. As to mother in law and her COLA, you may wish to check to see if the GOP is for raising or cutting SS.

    My daughter was a single mom waitressing for 15 yrs after graduating from college (which worked out good for her, the money was decent and the work hours flexibility were great) – but she had to move on and there were no jobs to meet her talents – or at least her degree. So she put herself through nursing school and then continued on to get her RN and now works in a clinic as an RN and makes more than me.

    Now I agree that your mom should get a COLA increase and that your cousin should be safe in Iraq – but you aren’t going to get either from the GOP.

  58. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Xenia @53 – “But I would be blind and heartless to imagine my situation is true for everyone.”

    The question isn’t the state of things. The question is, is the government responsible to fix these problems – is the government even capable of fixing the problems. Above where I spoke about my daughter, there was nothing the government could do – except stay out of her way while she built her life.
    The government could have put her on welfare, food stamps etc and kept her there for a life of poverty, while patting themselves on the back and feeling good because they cut a check.

    (make no mistake, my daughter did use food stamps for a while but it was a strategy to get back at her ex. He stopped paying his child support so she went on food stamps and they collected out of his wages … my daughter is pretty sharp. 🙂

  59. Em again says:

    “The government could have put her on welfare, food stamps etc and kept her there for a life of poverty, while patting themselves on the back and feeling good because they cut a check.”
    yes, the message that sends is that you are weak and cannot do anything for yourself in perpetuity – speaking of nurses, my daughter is in a field where many welfare dependent people show up and they really do think that they are owed – very demanding and very little gratitude or grace… that said, there are real situations where one is weak and cannot do for their self… those folk are out of another cut of cloth and, sadly, are usually the last ones to ask for help

    one thing just hit me – Trump will have to get under spout where the big money comes out to fund a run against Hillary for the White House… so it’s either another Democrat for four years or Trump gets in line where the gold rules

    just received an update from another daughter who is involved in her local politics and it enforces the opinion stated here that local is where we, as Believers, do have an obligation to participate – to one degree or another – it is disheartening to see the “take the money and run” developers prowling about (they show up everywhere) looking to see what they can devour – some say Trump is one of them… ?… hmmm

  60. Babylon's Dread says:

    Lincoln was easily the most controversial president and rating him so high with the bloodshed he fomented merits some challenge.

    Adolf ph was the devil … Abe doesn’t measure up to that he is bloody but not by compare

    I will vote for Trump … I would rather risk a tyrant than allow one.

  61. Steve Wright says:

    Jumping off the sidelines to simply say that…

    If “decent human being” means a lying, disloyal, backstabbing, hateful, selfish, hypocritical, unprincipled, privileged venture capitalist elitist…then yeah, Mitt Romney qualifies.

    I’ve followed his career rather closely since 2008, and studied it in MA – he is one of the most vile human beings I can imagine. His behavior in 2012 especially against a good man like Rick Santorum.

    Imagine a pastor who preaches against adultery while secretly having multiple affairs. We all say how horrible

    NOW, imagine a pastor that publicly spoke of his open marriage and adulterous behavior and THEN preached against adultery. The latter is the political equivalent of Mitt Romney.

    And before someone talks about his family, given the Mormon cult, remember his wife converted before the marriage and all of the children, children’s spouses, and grandchildren are all devout Mormons. If he had a couple of kids that broke free and were still named in the will, then maybe…..but knowing the Mormon doctrine on the family, marriage, salvation…nope.

    I’m more impressed by the adult Trump children and the unity they show even with two different mothers – a lot more than the Reagan kids could ever muster…

  62. Glen says:

    I have to agree with Dread and Steve……….

    I don’t know how to do links here, but if you go to YouTube and put in the words “political crybaby season” there is an interesting 3-4 minute commentary by “Wild Bill”.

  63. Kevin H says:

    BD,

    You are correct that the Lincoln presidency was controversial and there was much bloodshed during his time. He had to navigate the country during a very difficult time.

    However, I used Lincoln as an example because he is now viewed as one of, if not the greatest President in our history and also a man of good character. The contrast was in comparing a man as well thought of as him versus Hitler who is viewed as one of the most evil leaders in world history.

  64. Captain Kevin says:

    Where is Cookie Monster when we need him?

  65. Captain Kevin says:

    Kevin H., great article…totally agree!

    London, I appreciate how you expressed your reasons for voting without using the God-given-duty card.

  66. Tim - Doulos says:

    In my estimation, both choices are tyrants. One is perhaps a slower descent into tyranny, but I refuse to be cajoled or guilted into voting for either of them.

    I do believe there is much reason to vote down-ticket, and I will most certainly do so.

  67. Michael says:

    The good part of the Trump support by pastors means we will never again have to hear about how the Christian right and the Republicans occupy the moral high ground with candidates.

    If Trump was a Democrat we’d be hearing about his Howard Stern interviews daily …

  68. Em again says:

    i just had a mental picture cross my mind – the Apostle Paul picking apart the life of Caesar (Nero?) … writing long letters focused on the behavior of those in charge in Rome and how a change of Caesars might make the world a better place … 🙂

  69. Eric says:

    Well said Kevin.

    Australia has begun election season. This time it’s an 8-week campaign instead of the usual 5 weeks.

  70. Michael says:

    I actually sat down and read through all the candidates websites last night.

    After doing so, I have changed my mind and will vote and I will vote for Bernie Sanders.

    His immigration platform looks like I wrote it and he addresses issues I haven’t heard any politician address honestly at all.

    For this, I’m grateful.

    He also speaks to Native American concerns and (strangely enough) speaks to nurses issues, especially inside the VA.

    While there are things I strongly disagree with in other parts of the platform, I will wholeheartedly support him for the things he says I agree with.

  71. Kevin H says:

    I think Sanders fiscal ideals and policies would be the most detrimental for our country.

    With that said, his character and honesty and concern in addressing issues is much greater than the other two remaining candidates. He is the only one of the three I would even consider voting for. But it is highly unlikely it would even get to the point where I could consider him as the Democratic machine has been intent on making sure Hillary wins the nomination. And since I am a registered Republican, I could not have voted for him in the primaries and could do so only in the general election.

  72. Michael says:

    Kevin,

    You may very well be correct about the fiscal policy.
    What impressed me was that he had obviously done much research on the immigration issue…I was truly surprised at the depth of understanding.

    When a candidate understands the issues that nurses are having, (especially inside the VA), that means that he is engaging with real working people, which I also found surprising and refreshing.

    There was much other stuff I disagreed with, but this seems to be the kind of person I want to encourage.

  73. Kevin H says:

    I agree that we need more candidates who are the type of person like Sanders.

  74. Em again says:

    what we need is a candidate with Bernie’s compassion and identification with we common folk, Trump’s understanding of the mind of the rich and powerful, Hillary’s brass, and Ben Carson’s innate goodness – oh and maybe, Cruz’s sharp mind … hmmm

  75. Xenia says:

    I like Bernie the best, too.

  76. ( |o )====::: says:

    #FeelTheBern

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