Kevin’s Conversations: Hating The Sin and The Sinner

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19 Responses

  1. Michael says:

    One of the consequences of our love of hate these days is that unless you express yourself bombastically and with some raw hate it’s hard to get a hearing these days…which is making us all the more hateful and emotionally and spiritually ill.

  2. Xenia says:

    The thing I wish people would wake up to is that when you scour extremist web sites (or even FB nowadays) for horrible, probably not even true, stories about politicians (either side), and repeat these stories when you have zero evidence they are true, that you are just as much a LIAR as the person you are calling a liar. At the very least, you are spreading gossip. And what a complete waste of one’s time, to spend the days looking for scandals when there are so many more worthwhile ways to spend one’s time!

    Ask yourselves, ye spreaders of gossip: When you come upon a particularly juicy bit of scandal involving the candidate you hate, do you rejoice? Are you rejoicing in evil? Or are you sad that a person who is created in the Image of God might (and I say “might”) has fallen into sin. <<<<— That's the heart check, folks. Do you jump on a nasty little tidbit with the joy of a seagull pouncing on an old french fry or are you sad. (And how much of it is even true. Probably very little.)

  3. Jean says:

    Michael,
    Are you saying we are de-sensitized?

  4. Michael says:

    Jean,

    We are…and beyond that, we are training up a generation on social media to believe that this is how adults interact…

  5. Michael says:

    Xenia,

    That is well said and why I keep harping about bearing false witness…

  6. Xenia says:

    Michael, before I unfollowed a lot of people, I noticed that it was the middle-aged and older people who were given to vitriol, not the younger people, the 20-30’s. They are mostly posting pictures of themselves drinking artesian beer at the newest pub in town. I think they are turned off by all this and won’t copy their elders.

    At least, that’s what I hope!

  7. Michael says:

    Xenia,

    T has taken an interest in this election and has watched the debates and some of the news programs.

    He isn’t anywhere near sophisticated enough to understand the issues, but he has sadly picked up on the tone and tenor of the discussions.

    We have had some difficult conversations…

  8. Kevin H says:

    This insane election cycle certainly has pushed hatred to the forefront.

  9. Paige says:

    Thank you Kevin. Timely words. I have been thinking lately how people become ‘grumpy old men/women”. They seem to know more about what they don’t like/hate and less about what they do like/love…. In fact, one of the charming things about little kids is that they pretty much like everything except onions. Possible lesson there, ya think?

    Frankly, I even have a hard time with ‘hate the sin, love the sinner’….
    Seems like the stuff we get our shorts in a wad over are different from this list:
    Proverbs 6:16-17 6

    There are six things that the Lord hates,
    seven that are an abomination to him:
    17
    haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
    and hands that shed innocent blood,
    18
    a heart that devises wicked plans,
    feet that make haste to run to evil,
    19
    a false witness who breathes out lies,
    and one who sows discord among brothers.

    “All men shall know you are My disciples by your love, one for another. ”

    Love God. Love people.
    We’re ALL sinners.

  10. John 20:29 says:

    i like Kevin’s analysis of the subject – well grounded and well spoken IMHO – i confess that i used to hate John Elway… 😉 people in general can make me tired, but hating takes too much energy these days

    of course, i’m observing the election campaigns underway now, but personally i’ve been spared all the current vitriol that seems to be out there (cuz i don’t go ‘out there?’ 🙂 )
    IMV – for some folk hatred is simply an excuse to band together, it’s almost a social club…
    i had the dubious honor of being an ongoing target for some years and until that occurred i would have argued that such conduct had to be an anomaly – like politics, hatred makes strange bedfellows…
    and…
    amen to Paige’s list @ #9

  11. dusty says:

    good conversations going on here. learning a lot.

  12. dusty says:

    it is quite difficult to hate the sin and not the sinner….but can be done…you just accept the person for who they are and not what they do. you don’t have to like what they do and hate it but do you have to have a relationship with them? that is the hard part…how do you love without having a relationship? Pray?

  13. John 20:29 says:

    how do you love without having a relationship? question that has me thinking … again …
    yes, pray… the fact of hell is worth praying that the sinning soul not go there – pray for their repentance?
    maybe we don’t repeat gossip (unless there is a concrete need to warn someone of a danger)?
    good question, dusty’s got me thinking on how to hate without it becoming a terrible and sinful thing…

  14. dusty says:

    Sorry John lol.

    I was molested by my grandfather. Forgivness was not my problem having a relationship with him and having my daughter around him was hard. I did not like him. But did not hate him.

  15. In regard to football, I was raised to love one team (the Rams) and hate all the others.

    Especially the Vikings and the 49ers.

    My handicapped son (24) approaches it all so different.

    He certainly has a favorite team (Seahawks), but he doesn’t really grasp the concept of hating another team.

    I’ve asked him, “Which team don’t you like?”

    He just shrugs his shoulders.

    He’ll watch any game and thoroughly enjoy it. He appreciates the abilities of the individual players.

    Slowly, but surely, I’m coming his way.

  16. Dan from Georgia says:

    That’s cool Pineapple Head that your son doesn’t hate a team. I guess I may be a fairweather fan, but I, being a MN Vikings and MN Twins fan, don’t have a hate for the Green Bay Packers or the Chicago White Sox. To me its just a sign of too much emotional investment in sports. Yeah, sports can be a fun pursuit or diversion, but I think there are a few people who take it too seriously.

  17. Owen says:

    Kevin,

    Great post, lots of thought-provoking conversation as well…

    I tend to go back to ‘love your neighbour as yourself”, and remember C.S. Lewis responding with, “well, how exactly do I love myself?” (Meaning, in what manner am I already loving myself).
    So, I look at myself. There are things about me that I can say I really , really hate. But I still don’t want anything bad to happen to me, I still make an attempt to care about myself and take care of myself. My health and well-being are still important to me, in spite of all the hate – able things I know about myself.

    So, now the trick is to apply that to others , in whom I seem to find things to hate…..

  18. Owen says:

    And on the sports note, I spent 5 years lving in Edmonton, coincidentally during the Gretzky years….. I still hate the Calgary Flames. It was quite fashionable for Edmontonians to do so. 😉

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