Kevin’s Conversations: The Gospel For Asia Debacle

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  1. Michael says:

    Kevin.

    This is great…even though I was getting ready to write the same thing. 🙂
    You did it better than I would have and I’m grateful.

  2. John 20:29 says:

    yes, agreeing this is a great summation of the problem and how we should pray… God’s discipline in the here and now is far preferable to waiting to receive it in the hereafter – praying with you, Kevin

  3. Nonnie says:

    Even when I believed GFA to be on the “up and up,” it was hurtful, when we would return from overseas missions, living on a shoestring budget, for a very short furlough and be told about KP preaching at churches and and saying how western missionaries were basically a waste of money and that the money would be better spent supporting him.

  4. Dallas says:

    I felt like being a sarcastic jerk for a minute, and just as I was about to start writing I remembered that someone had already done the work for me on something I posted last week:

    “I simply can’t believe you guys… it’s called judging… plain and simple. I will not stand by and let anyone twist this to make a man of God out to be wrong… shame, shame on you!!! You should [use this blog] as a positive influence. Not in bashing a Pastor.”

    Shame on you trying to attack the reputation of this man of God.

  5. Kevin H says:

    Michael, for once I beat you to the punch. You’ve gotten me a few times in the past. It’s like you have some kind of advantage or something, being that this is your blog and that you post several times a week and I just once. -:)

  6. Wondering says:

    Thank you for not forgetting. Waiting is very hard, but I too am praying for justice.

    In the meantime, I worry about the little old lady who faithfully gives, but has no idea that that the ministry she saves and scrimps to give towards does not really exist. Who will make her aware?

  7. Kevin H says:

    Dallas,

    That would be “Grand Imperial His Greatest and Holiest Poobah” man of God. 🙂

    Don’t forget the titles of majesty.

  8. Kevin H says:

    John 20:29, thanks for praying with.

  9. Kevin H says:

    Nonnie,

    Can definitely see where that kind of attitude would hurt. From a man you otherwise respected. But now you know all the other crap.

  10. Fixinlive says:

    Can’t believe that the radio show “Road to Reality” is still broadcast around the country – (Check to see where it is in your area http://www.roadtoreality.org/find-station/?csrfmiddlewaretoken=cdLrwViqUUZeQfyEGwxzgNaYRjMIrFHv&place=dallas )

    I guess as long as they pay to put it on Salem and other networks will gladly take their money. I cringe every time I hear K.P. come over the air on our Christian Station, clearly spouting lies.

  11. Nonnie says:

    Now we know and it amazes me that some just don’t care….like so many abusive situations.
    Another point about this story that really bothered me:
    I was disgusted when I read the testimonies by former staff about the way women were treated in KP’s ministry. I was shocked that so many CC’s would support this kind of abusive ministry as I have never been treated that way in a CC church.

    I don’t believe I read about pastors who supported GFA speaking out against how women were treated in GFA,… rather it was not until the money abuse was laid out that the men started getting upset and speaking out. Money trumps people in many cases.

  12. Dallas says:

    Fixinlive, Salem is another one of those examples of the beast from Revelation as Michael was describing them Monday… or the whore riding the beast if you will.

  13. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Kevin – good article. I may have missed it earlier – did your CC Philly stop giving to GFA? Would you know?

  14. Kevin H says:

    MLD,

    My CC Philly hadn’t actually been giving to GFA for a while. I don’t know the reason why. However, they still had been giving K.P. and GFA a big platform to speak and promote the organization and they were regularly mentioned in a positive fashion. These things have stopped. I was told by an assistant pastor that the only way support would ever be considered again is if there was first some serious confession of sin and repentance.

  15. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Kevin – very good. It sound like the responsible thing to do.

  16. Kevin H says:

    Wondering,

    I missed your comment at # 6 until just now. Yes, the little old lady donors and the like who are unlikely to get their news on the internet are a concern as to who will tell them. The hope would be that her church (if they previously supported or promoted GFA) would tell her or that someone else in the know would personally tell her. The reality is that their will be some who will not know about GFA by no fault of their own. God will still honor their faithful giving and we must trust that He somehow uses it for good, even through a corrupt organization.

  17. BD says:

    Gospel for Asia Canada donations are down 2 million dollars in their 2015 filing from 2014 according to their Revenue Canada T3010.

    Using the rule of X10 for Canada/US – it wouldn’t be unreasonable to assume US losses.

    Gospel for Asia Canada claimed $14,357,281.00 in receipted donations as compared to $16,430,334.00 in receipted donations in the 2014 filing.

    It’s entirely possible Gospel for Asia USA lost 2 X10 = $20 million in US donations. Thing is, they don’t have to disclose in the United States, like they do in Canada and the UK for example.

    You can check this out yourself at http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/chrts-gvng/lstngs/menu-eng.html

  18. Linnea says:

    Here, here, Kevin! An amen from me.

  19. TJB says:

    Kevin,
    Having been an elder at CC Boston for years I am curious as to your relationship with Joe Focht. The pastor at CCB is a good man but typifies the CCA attitude and basically wont listen to anyone who is not on the CC page. In fact he pretty much shadows every move Joe Focht makes, which isn’t a bad thing other than the lack of thinking for himself. That being said and knowing what I know, how are you received by Joe Focht? My guess would be he tolerates you. It would be encouraging to know if he saw the issues and supported you in your endeavors. Do you feel like an outsider in your church and do people look at you suspiciously?

  20. Kevin H says:

    TJB,

    As you probably already well know, CC Philly is a mega church. With that being the case, Joe Focht and myself do not know each other. I have never had one conversation with the man. I don’t know if he even knows who I am. I did once email him when I first had concerns with GFA and was responded to by an assistant pastor instead. I was pretty much brushed off by the assistant pastor in this email and in a couple more follow-ups as I was told everything is fine with GFA. As GFA became more and more exposed, the church did eventually change their outlook and stopped promoting GFA and the assistant pastor did eventually thank me for my diligence.

    I do feel like an outsider at the church, but it is not so much because others treat me that way. I usually do not raise much of a “ruckus” at the church as I figure it will probably do no good. Pastor Joe has made it plainly clear many times from the pulpit that if you don’t like how they do church, then you should “vote with your feet” and most at the church seem to be of the mindset to just loyally accept and support everything the church does. I continue to attend and be part of the church for familial reasons. If I didn’t have those responsibilities, then I would have “voted with my feet” long ago.

    When I do on occassion raise questions or issues with the church or Pastor Joe with others from the church, I will sometimes receive reasoned responses but most times receive responses of astonishment of how I could possibly disagree or have difficulties with Pastor Joe and the church. The overall general culture of the church is one that thinks CC Philly is the best church ever and Pastor Joe is the best pastor ever and many other churches are to be viewed with suspicion, and in my opinion, many border on or even fall straight into pastor-worship. This overall culture makes me feel like an outsider, even if nobody ever even says anything personally to me to make me feel like one.

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