Linkathon! Uncategorized Add comments May 292018 Evangelicals least likely to believe the U.S. has a responsibility to accept refugees… Why we don’t pray… On Throckmorton being booted off Patheos… The contagious holiness of God… Questioning hell… Christ at the check point…being a Palestinian believer… Willow Creek elders apologize to Hybels victims… How evangelicals and the White House teamed up for prison reform… Six questions for the trustees of SWBTS… Creating space and opportunity for God… Churches are like restaurants… How to disagree about theology without kicking each other out of the church… Woe is me…a different kind of spiritual experience… Patterson is unrepentant… Will all people be equal in heaven? Willow Creek elder calls for repentance instead of understanding… Alexa can bless your food and help you find a church… Reading together, early church style… Surviving SWBTS as a female employee… Being Christian in Western Europe… Is your life like a Rubic’s cube? Ireland: an obituary… Huge thanks to EricL for the link help…support him at top right… Related 29 Responses to “Linkathon!” Kevin H says: May 29, 2018 at 11:18 am I already said my piece earlier on Facebook about the first link. But to add to that, while just like the 81% number of evangelicals who voted for Trump is skewed to some degree by those who identify as evangelical but in actuality do not have much of any real faith, it is probably a similar story here. Nonetheless, it is sad and disturbing to see that “evangelicals” are the ones who most reject refugees. Are we leading with the Love and Word of God or with partisan politics? Kevin H says: May 29, 2018 at 11:21 am As to the prison reform link, as annoying and discouraging it is many times to see the behavior of some court evangelicals in relation to Trump, it is still good to see that they may at times have an actual positive influence. While there still may be some further steps to go in regards to prison reform, this would seem to be a step in the right direction. Michael says: May 29, 2018 at 11:27 am Kevin H, The first link is beyond my comprehension…because I don’t see how it’s compatible with biblical ethics. Em says: May 29, 2018 at 12:20 pm Today isn’t everyone who “believes in Jesus” without an affiliation with a liturgical church labeled evangelical? As an evangelical leaning Christian i am reminded of the song, ” We Are The World” and i have to say, no we’re not.The Apostle Paul took an offering from Christians back to Jerusalem for the Christian Jews there, not fir all the poor people of the land.. . I am pondering today just how we share Christ and show grace in a secular, shrunken world….. Do we Christians have the right to demand that a secular country follow our Christian norms and standards? Or even urge it? Today, if one declares that we are a Christian nation, you’d better duck because you’ll offend a good 80%.of our population. If you are a student, you’ll fail the class with those words. Or so it seems to me…. So? So, what is Christian stewardship today? We know from the Bible that we cannot save the world… We know we are tasked with a witness to absolute truths and God’s amazing offer of reconciliation …. What is a proper stewardship of this? Where do we focus our efforts? Michael says: May 30, 2018 at 9:08 am Test Josh the Baptist says: May 30, 2018 at 6:57 pm https://swbts.edu/news/releases/statement-southwestern-theological-seminary/ They fixed it. CM says: May 30, 2018 at 7:38 pm In regards to Paige Patterson and the SBC: I have a feeling that the revelations of late are the first holes in a dam breaking. Given the shenanigans of PP, his sycophants, and all his people he has put in places of influence over the years, my suspicion is that _all_ the cover-ups, lies, sin, etc. will eventually come out. Maybe all at once (a Wikileaks or Snowden perhaps?). I am reminded of 1 Peter 4:17, 2 Samuel 12:12, and God using Ninevah, the Hittites, and other godless nations to punish Israel. I have no doubt that God will use the things of the world to sanction and punish sin in the church. No doubt many will play the persecution card and speak of tribulation, but in reality it will be God’s judgement. Em says: May 30, 2018 at 7:49 pm Should not go unackniwledged, Josh the B….. Thank you for #6 tonight as i would have missed, since i dont track these things CM says: May 30, 2018 at 7:56 pm Looks like judgement is beginning…. Paige Patterson has been terminated effective immediately. No retirement, no theologian in residence in that new mansion. Here is a portion of the statement released by SWBTS: “Deeming the information demanded immediate action and could not be deferred to a regular meeting of the Board, based on the details presented, the Executive Committee unanimously resolved to terminate Dr. Paige Patterson, effective immediately, removing all the benefits, rights and privileges provided by the May 22-23 board meeting, including the title of President Emeritus, the invitation to reside at the Baptist Heritage Center as theologian-in-residence and ongoing compensation.” Michael says: May 30, 2018 at 8:57 pm Wow… Outside T. Fold says: May 31, 2018 at 12:28 am Here’s one more to add to the SWBTS while female link list, from the perspective of a student: Why the “Removal” of Paige Patterson Isn’t Enough “What I write below comes from my memory and the journals I kept as a student at Southwestern from 2004-2007.” Dan from Georgia says: May 31, 2018 at 2:33 am Finally the right thing has been done (regarding Patterson). Dan from Georgia says: May 31, 2018 at 10:34 am Link #1…saw a comment somewhere that said that social justice (or the social Gospel) is unchristian and unbiblical. That comment along with that poll…cannot fathom how awful. Michael says: May 31, 2018 at 10:37 am Dan, There is a large movement afoot with some pretty significant people involved saying the same things. It’s utterly confounding to me… Em says: May 31, 2018 at 1:22 pm I’m not sure that we can clearly define the line where a migrant becomes a refugee…. If danger is the definer, shouldn’t the residents of the Chicago projects be allowed immigrate to that city’s Gold Coast? I’m not trying to be cute, just sorting out what is sensible… There is such a difference between welcoming ‘some’ refugees and trying to make room for a mass migration… As the winds of anti semitism began to rise in Europe as WW2 began many Jewish children were sent to America to Roman Catholic boarding schools…. and to other counties…. But when a whole boatload of refugees tried to find a haven, they couldn’t. No one was prepared for that. I think guilt led to enabling the exodus back to their ancestral hone when the war ended. We seem to need to rework some things, but i haven’t any ideas… Well, we could declare war on central America and institute reconstruction after we won… Like we’ve done in Iraq? But Christians? Is the Church tasked with reforming the whole world? Should we expect our governments to do so? I know where the hearts of most here are, but i do not yet see clearly a definitive answer, to be honest…. 😦 Em says: May 31, 2018 at 1:25 pm I’m not sure that we can clearly define the line where a migrant becomes a refugee…. If danger is the definer, shouldn’t the residents of the Chicago projects be allowed to immigrate to that city’s Gold Coast? I’m not trying to be cute, just sorting out what is sensible… There is such a difference between welcoming ‘some’ refugees and trying to make room for a mass migration… As the winds of anti semitism began to rise in Europe, as WW2 began, many Jewish children were sent to America to Roman Catholic boarding schools…. and to other countries…. But when a whole boatload of refugees tried to find a haven, they couldn’t. No one was prepared for that. I think guilt led to enabling the exodus back to their ancestral hone when the war ended. We seem to need to rework some things, but i haven’t any ideas… Well, we could declare war on central America and institute reconstruction after we won… Like we’ve done in Iraq? But Christians? Is the Church tasked with reforming the whole world? Should we expect our governments to do so? I know where the hearts of most here are, but i do not yet see clearly a definitive answer, to be honest…. 😦 Michael says: May 31, 2018 at 1:32 pm The church is to speak to the culture and government about the heart of God on such things…in my opinion… Michael says: May 31, 2018 at 1:34 pm In some ways we declared war on Central America forty years ago… Em says: May 31, 2018 at 3:07 pm #18 – do we “speak” to government? Are evangelicals doing so now? How DO we speak? Salt and light…. how are they to be administered? From the pulpits? Or in our individual walks and stewardships? Both? Is there a difference between the obligations of a citizen and an ambassador? Are we both? Am i overthinking this? 😵 Michael says: May 31, 2018 at 3:19 pm Em, It’s a moot point as we have so much division even in the church. Here’s a voting guide being advocated by some California Calvary Chapels alleging a focus on a “biblical worldview’… https://www.electionforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/2018-Election-Forum_Voter-Guide_June-2018-election-2.pdf Martin Luther's Disciple says: May 31, 2018 at 3:20 pm Speaking to the government? To the culture? I don’t remember exactly where but I think it is Rev 14 where it states that the message of the church is the eternal gospel. So the message needs to be law & gospel – not politics. So funny that we complain that Paula White has Trump’s ear. Isn’t she speaking to the government and to the culture. This is a bad idea for the church. Em says: May 31, 2018 at 3:33 pm #22. – rabbit trailing here a bit…. MLD sees the angel flying overhead as the Church and i see a literal angel (the Church being, ahemed, raptured out at this point).. But i guess the point is still that the everlasting Gospel is the same, no matter which is doing the proclaiming…. 😇 Em says: May 31, 2018 at 3:38 pm Typing on my fire tablet = multiple typos… Time for me to quit – guess i’ll open the bag of Aussie licorice my daughter brought me and lurk for the rest of the day God keep Dan from Georgia says: May 31, 2018 at 5:12 pm Michael, I’ve seen bits and pieces here and there (I think Franklin Graham’s name was mentioned) about “godless progressives”. I know that some people have the knee-jerk reaction of “you’re a liberal!” when a Christian talks about compassion for refugees and immigrants and the poor. I too find it confounding. In more than a few places the Bible talks about taking care of those less fortunate and welcoming the stranger. If I am a “liberal” because I care for a few folks who are in need, then so be it. Makes me almost sick that some people have to apply a political sheen to everything they come across in life. Martin Luther's Disciple says: May 31, 2018 at 6:13 pm Before we burn F Graham at the stake I would like to remind folks that he founded and heads probably the largest worldwide relief organization. He may speak out like a jerk at times but his actual actions do not match his talk – which is a good thing. The US since WW2 has taken care of the world. Perhaps not perfectly, but we have done the job. So after 75 yrs perhaps we have a bit of compassion fatigue – why can’t some of the world give us emotional relief. I said this when the central American caravan was coming up, what is so wrong if we put them on air conditioned Greyhound busses and delivered them to Canada to care for them? The Canadiens are always mocking us that we don’t do it right – let it be their turn to step us. We will pay for the busses so it won’t cost them a dime. Em says: May 31, 2018 at 7:09 pm Well, it was Franklin Graham’s organization that flew my daughter safely in and back out of So. Sudan on her medical mission a few years back – i am in their debt… Is he overpaid? It is possible that he is by God’s criteria….. And, even tho one might argue that corporate America has taken advantage of our efforts of humanitarianism, i think MLD has a point about compassion fatigue…. It isn’t easy…. Back to my licorice Dan from Georgia says: May 31, 2018 at 8:49 pm MLD and Em, I am well aware of Franklin’s Samaritan’s Purse organization and have donated to them in the past. So, I am not about to burn him at the stake, so to speak. Regarding compassion fatigue, I too felt it last fall with all the natural disasters. One thing I have learned, and have to re-learn periodically, is that you have to choose who you support and painfully say no to other requests for help. One person can’t do it all, one church can’t do it all, and one nation can’t do it all. Em says: May 31, 2018 at 11:54 pm wise words, Dan from GA… 🙂 i give what i can or feel i can to an Indian school and the result of that is that everybody and his brother and his brother’s wife sends me their requests for help… you ought to see my collection of pens, dream catchers, greeting cards, tote bags, even calculators and daytimers that are sent, i believe to guilt me into contributing…. so many are doing good work and i just have to tell myself that this isn’t where God has enabled me to help… your observation helps enforce that, indeed, one person can’t do it all – amen anybody know a good place to donate all those pens and tote bags etc.? ? ? CM says: June 1, 2018 at 5:12 pm Em, You can donate them to a shelter for battered women and their kids or to a hospital for children getting cancer treatment for example. Leave a Reply Cancel replyYou must be logged in to post a comment. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.