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  1. Jean says:

    “Why Do Christians Want to Post the 10 Commandments and Not the Sermon on the Mount?”

    Please read this article with discernment. Stanley’s erroneous teaching:

    “Jesus issued his new commandment as a replacement for everything in the existing list. Including the big ten. Just as his new covenant replaced the old covenant, Jesus’ new commandment replaced all the old commandments.”

    This is wrong and dangerous. Moreover, it contradicts the very Sermon that Stanley promotes:

    “I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” – Jesus

    By contrast, Jesus and Paul teach that the law of love fulfills the 10 Commandments:

    “And he said to him, ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.’ ” – Jesus

    “For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ” – Paul

  2. Em says:

    Jean, amen … Grace does not nullify God’s norms and standards, but, rather, makes a way for us

  3. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    I don’t think Christians should be posting anything in public. I grow more and more libertarian as time passes. However, if we are going to post a Bible passage, let’s go with Rev 22:11 and move on – “Let the evildoer still do evil, and the filthy still be filthy, and the righteous still do right, and the holy still be holy.”

  4. Babylon's Dread says:

    The 10 commandments is seen by most Judeo-Christian people as the basis of most of our moral law. Thus the posting of them in public places is to remind people that our law has roots in the revealed moral and spiritual code of our historic faith. Stanley’s use of the word ‘replace’ is certain mollified by his later use of fulfilled but still it is careless. I find his article full of frivolous generalities and careless assessments but why am I surprised at that?

  5. Jean says:

    We could break down Stanley’s article, which actually would be a very interesting and good endeavor. However, barring that, let’s just say that Stanley has juxtaposed “love” with the “Decalogue,” as though love has no form or shape. This is what the mainline Protestant church has done to affirm immoral behavior in the name of love.

  6. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    You need to understand that Stanley has deemed the OT entirely null and void for the Christian. I think the term he used several months ago was that it must be “unhitched” from the NT.

    Stanley gave up being a Christian years ago.

  7. Jean says:

    Tertullian would not have been a fan.

  8. Michael says:

    If Stanley names Jesus as Lord he is a Christian…an erring one, perhaps, but a Christian.

  9. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    I guess you are not very particular which Jesus is being named. Mormons & JWs name Jesus as Lord – just as Stanley does — in error.

  10. Michael says:

    We know that Stanley is neither Mormon or JW…
    I think Stanley is a sloppy theologian and undisciplined thinker, but I’ll let someone else judge his soul.

  11. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Well I didn’t judge his soul, I just said he gave up Christianity long ago.

  12. j2theperson says:

    I liked the article about 2 John being written to a female pastor.

  13. Jerod says:

    “If Stanley names Jesus as Lord he is a Christian…an erring one, perhaps, but a Christian.”

    I hope Andy Stanley is just screwed up in the head, maybe hitting some kind of midlife hormonal imbalance that affects his discernment… ??

    Otherwise, he knows exactly what he is doing.

    There’s a lot of license posing as grace, something mainline denoms excel at mainlining.

    But I also think there might just be a lot of grace for those such as JW’s and Mormons. Those who have been brainwashed and operantly conditioned to appease the overlords in their cult, be it preachers, parents, groups, etc. Never question, keep your opinions to yourself, you’re dead to us otherwise.

  14. Jerod says:

    Paul said “they secretly bring in destructive heresies”.

    Is that where professional heretics dwell? In that limbo where we seem to be obligated to give the benefit of the doubt, time and time again?

  15. Michael says:

    Jerod,

    There are upteen thousand Protestant denominations.
    Then there are the ancient faiths…Roman Catholicism and Orthodoxy.
    Lutherans and Anglicans.
    They all vary in doctrine.
    They all believe that they have interpreted the Bible unto salvation.
    They all throw stones at each other.
    If I’m intellectually honest, there is no sure way that I can claim that I have discerned for certain which one is “true”.
    I go to Hebrews 11 and it defies all the formulae.
    So…I try to keep orthodoxy based on what we agree on.
    The early creeds.
    Stanley qualifies.
    I may think he’s in error, but I think most of us are…

  16. Em says:

    I try to be respectful in engaging JWs and LDS who come to my door… So many are sincere – some are arrogant and hostile, yes.
    I’ll only discuss who Jesus Christ is and the truth of one God in 3 persons… And i don’t use scripture… We agree that Satan challenged God, declared himself God’s equal, so my question to them is, would God send another to meet the challenge or would He do so Himself? I like the example of what a prism does to light rays when it is brought up that a Triune God is not logical, but my late husband said that really does not explain God well… Like Jerod, it seems to me that there are souls that belong to God caught up in false arguments that serve evil leaders…. Dunno, but one does the best one can with what one has..🙆

  17. The New Victor says:

    The latter part of the sermon one the mount is pretty harsh, as were many of the words of Jesus, things I feel that SOTM or Red Letter only Christians ignore.

    I’m not very patriotic, if at all, but when I visited the largest veterans cemetery outside of the United States (Lorraine, in France) it was humbling to see the Decalougue in stone inside one of the monuments. Many religions have the golden rule, including Hinduism which predates Christianity and Judaism. The commandments (leaving aside which version) anchors the gospel and points towards it.

    Matthew 5:19.

    Thank God for grace!

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