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  1. Babylon's Dread says:

    Let’s see people reject neo-nazis but they don’t know why

  2. bob1 says:

    Almost 25% think the Holocaust is a myth? How very, very sad that is.

    Not knowing history and/or only knowing cherry picked history is the problem here. Apparently most of these kids don’t know either.

  3. Em says:

    Tired tonight and hard to concentrate, but the article on paganism, from a quick scan, looks worth coming back for a more thorough reading.. .
    Charles Stanley has, i think, fought the good fight…. too many honest pastors and teachers of the last century are getting up in years…
    The holocaust was real and really demonic…. back pre-TV, when Time and Life magazines were our window on the world, the photos were horrible…. but then today we have a segment of the population that believes we didn’t really go to the moon, so…. ?

  4. Eric says:

    Churches report giving boost: The headline isn’t entirely accurate.
    More churches were down than up, but up + steady was a majority.
    Also, the situation is better than the survey in April, when a majority were down.

    Let’s see what NT Wright says…

  5. Duane Arnold says:

    Highly recommend the article on American paganism…

  6. Em says:

    Paganism…. Overthink for us common folk….
    However…. 😇
    I think God put Adam and Isha in the garden to defeat Satan…
    When Satan came to God and said, “i got them! They chose to believe me, not You! Game over! I win!
    I think – dunno – that God replied, ” NO! This is no game and we are just starting! “. Simple really.. John 3:16 – 21. or so it seems to me…….

  7. The Holocaust is so far removed from today that it’s no surprise that either no one knows or related to that, believing something like that didn’t happen.

    My 5th grade son’s class learned about 9/11 last week. How much did it “hit home” for them? Likely very little in a class of 10 and 11 year olds.

    I knew about the Armenian genocide when I was my son’s age, thanks to my mother, but it was decades later that I learned on my own about the Greeks and Assyrians also. My mom had me watch The Holocaust tv mini series as a 7 year old. I found it horrifying but my young mind didn’t really grasp the context.

    I never remember it being taught in school in the 70s or 80s either, or much of anything taught about WW2. I’m glad (but not happy) that I visited Auschwitz in 2007, as well as Dachau. I want to take my kids when they are teens or older.

  8. WenatcheeTheHatchet says:

    I’m probably not going to be able to visit Germany in my life, but being the comics reader I’ve been I have Spiegelman’s Maus and Nakazawa’s Barefoot Gen (vols 1-4 anyway, not the rest of the rather lengthy run of the manga, which, seeing as I’ve got family who are WW2 history buffs, does not mean the Nanjing massacre doesn’t get considered along the way, for instance). Volume 1 of Barefoot Gen is one of the most harrowing reading experience I’ve had in my life … I wouldn’t recommend somebody just go read it right now, for instance.

    Seeing news the rain likely to arrive on schedule but that there are flash flood risks with so much of the fires having burned vegetation in Oregon. 🙁

  9. I picked up The Commandant of Auschwitz there. It was both fascinating and sickening how Rudolf Höss described things… factually, but coldly and unapologetically though oddly not a real advocating for the genocide. I recommend it.

    I’m also bothered by a meme I’ve seen, comparing the tearing down of confederate monuments to the Polish people not tearing down Auswtiz. There are no statues of Nazis there.

  10. Jean says:

    There is a principle in the Bible, with respect to God and man and with respect to brothers, that reconciliation occurs in the mutual acts of repentance and absolution. It doesn’t happen through the suppression of past wrongs or the suppression of history in the education of our youth.

    I believe this principle also applies to the reconciliation of neighbors within a country, and may be seen exemplified in the peaceful transition from apartheid in S.A. Many people didn’t think a peaceful transition was possible before it happened, in no small part due to the leadership of Archbishop Desmond Tutu.

    I hear people say, “I wasn’t there,” “Or, I haven’t discriminated against anyone,” so “What do I have to be repentant about?” However, as a country, and through its elected leaders, it IMO owes both the truth and repentance for the sins of its past and the present, regarding the injustices committed against segments of its population.

    Suppression of the past won’t make it go away nor heal the wounds of the victims. Suppression of injustice won’t produce justice. “Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.” Expose them not for the end purpose of guilting the people who benefit(ed) from the injustice, but so that it may be addressed and remedied.

  11. Em says:

    Jean, good thoughts. Do you think, however, that some of the descendents of the slaves are correct today in living as victims?
    Burning and looting?
    I do think that the discipline and nurture (encouragement) needed in their formative years has been neglected….. perhaps….

  12. Jean says:

    Two different, but somewhat related, topics, Em.

    I haven’t heard or read of anyone “living as victims.” Maybe someone out there somewhere is, but I don’t think it’s a significant number.

    What I do see are societal barriers on 10s of millions of Americans which profoundly impede their opportunities to share in the prosperity of America, and for many of them to get a fair shake by the organs of power and justice. Hopelessness leads to unpredictable and often dangerous reactions.

  13. Em says:

    Jean, lack of interaction with the civilized adult world has produced a subculture in our nation that is not skin color dependent – in my view….
    We have a segment that thinks TV is the real world and it isnt.
    I have seen it in some of my white shirt tail “relatives.” We have the right to pursue happiness and they are clueless as to how that is done… Entitlement is very illusory…. IMHO

  14. Jean says:

    Em, I agree with your 10:39. Also another topic. And what you’ve described is what many of them find appealing in the current president.

    Imagine being told that your current miserable circumstances are not your fault, and if you vote (again) for me, I will fix your problem’s by defeating your foreign and domestic enemies. Just give me and my friends even more power and wealth, because we know what’s best for you.

    Meanwhile, you are falling farther behind, are getting sicker, dying younger, your kids will be poorer than their parents’ generation, but, but, but, you have the new opioid for the masses: the national apprentice broadcast daily on Twitter. So you walk by faith. You wear the mark of the Phoenix rising from the ashes of the deep state.

  15. Em says:

    Jean @ 11:09 – a mite esoteric for me to follow, perhaps .. 😇
    It seems to me that what you describe is standard political rhetoric from all sides….
    Can you look at dear old Joe Biden and see a man up to the challenge? Kamala, who just may have made a deal with the devil (Soros) scares me more than Trump and company…
    That said, it may just be old age, but from here it looks like the planet is sliding into home base – the end times? Dunno, though, do i?
    God keep… God keep all Michael ‘s Phoenix peeps

  16. bob1 says:

    We have a segment that thinks TV is the real world and it isnt

    Yes, the POTUS. 🙂

  17. Em says:

    bob1, i was thinking waaaay further down the Totem pole. 😁

  18. Jean says:

    Em,

    “Can you look at dear old Joe Biden and see a man up to the challenge?”

    Yes, but maybe for a reason different from what some would expect me to say. What our country needs right now IMO, more than anything else now, is peace, reconciliation, healing and hope. Biden offers those things far better than Trump. In fact Trump stands for actually the opposite on all of them, except the last one, which he offers to his base alone.

    In my opinion, our country needs to move away from entrusting national prosperity and hope to one man, and return to a national prosperity created not by the President (as our current one is so fond of saying), but created, first in the home by faithful spouses and parents, and then by the hard work, ingenuity, and entrepreneurial spirit of men and women, who in the past have been the wealth and job creators that have made America extraordinary. We need the return of the middle class and to move power out of the hands of the executive branch and return to a balance of powers and a separation of powers, where the rule of law and the Constitution can be protected from executive overreach and abuse. And we need campaign reform, so that oligopolies and the top 1% are not corrupting the rule of law and the economy.

    I didn’t think it was possible that in 4 years any one man could cause substantial long term damage to our country, but before our very eyes we are quickly moving down the list of first world countries in a multitude of categories. Worst of all, as an American Christian, I don’t think our country runs on a moral compass. As a government of and by the people, that’s on all of us.

    “Kamala, who just may have made a deal with the devil (Soros) scares me more than Trump and company…” I think I read that one in a political ad. I get chills every time the name Soros is raised LOL!!!

  19. Jean says:

    bob1

    It’s all they have. Some people will do anything to hold on to power. Like I said above, “no moral compass.” And when Christians spread it, they reveal their compass as well.

  20. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Some might see it as a party who will do anything to gain power – like the Dems spreading the false story about Trump and the military in France.
    Well over 20 people on the record giving their names who were actually at the scene denying the story vs 4 made up “anonymous” leakers feeding or being fed stories.

    But nothing as bad a politically liberal Christians telling Trump supporters “you cannot be a Christian and support Trump”

    Politicians from the beginning have “made deals with the devil” – why would you deny that Kamala Harris is not tainted also?

  21. Michael says:

    Now that we know of forced sterilizations on the border there really isn’t any comparison left.

  22. Em says:

    Jean @ 11:58
    I can agree with much of what you posted – not all of it. 😇 but a great deal of it
    America’s moral compass IS out of whack…. the heart IS deceitful above all things – desperately wicked… Only God knows
    So grateful for His grace and mercies… so sad so many are (wilfully?) blind to Him

  23. Jim says:

    I agree with Jean (!)

    “In my opinion, our country needs to move away from entrusting national prosperity and hope to one man, and return to a national prosperity created not by the President (as our current one is so fond of saying), but created, first in the home by faithful spouses and parents, and then by the hard work, ingenuity, and entrepreneurial spirit of men and women, who in the past have been the wealth and job creators that have made America extraordinary. We need the return of the middle class and to move power out of the hands of the executive branch and return to a balance of powers and a separation of powers, where the rule of law and the Constitution can be protected from executive overreach and abuse. And we need campaign reform, so that oligopolies and the top 1% are not corrupting the rule of law and the economy.”

  24. Bride of Christ says:

    I am surprised that no one has responded to Michael’s post about the immorality of forced sterilizations of immigrant women being held at the border. Michael posted the same subject on the ‘Open Blogging’ comment section and not one person responded there, either. I assume that nobody elses is outraged as Michael is. I don’t get it. Evangelicals picket Planned Parenthood, and Hobby Lobby is allowed to avoid employer insurance obligations to women because they claim as Christians it is immoral to help women obtain contraceptives. I am not sure why they feel so strongly against family planning measures, but I’ve always assumed that it was some fear of interfering with God’s ” Be fruitful and multiply” command. So how is it okay to permanently STERILIZE young women with hysterectomies against their wills? The hypocrisy and cruelty is beyond comprehension. It’s as though Christians are now trotting on Bible verses when it is somehow benefiting their own personal agendas, and then turning around and completely ignoring those same Bible verses whenever it benefits them. Does anyone really think that God doesn’t SEE? Republicans may think that the immigrants at the border don’t deserve our compassion, but those people are children of God made in His image just as we are. The article in the links about how Evangelicals have morphed into more of a “culture” than a religious faith , willing to ignore laws ( even God’s?) because the ends justified the means, may shed some light. But are these church goers even really Christians anymore? Have they replaced the gospel with their “militant ” culture? If you skipped that article maybe you should go back and read it. Hopefully we’re not just reading the articles that tell us only what we want to hear.

  25. Duane Arnold says:

    Bride of Christ

    “The hypocrisy and cruelty is beyond comprehension.”

    It is beyond comprehension and, yes, the gospel is being replaced with a militant culture that has very little to do with the faith as we know it. Moreover, there is an ethical blindness born of pragmatism in which only outcomes matter.

    Even here, in the threads of PhP, I am deeply saddened by much of what I read…

  26. Michael says:

    Bride of Christ,

    I stopped cataloging the horrors happening on the border long ago…lesser sins received the same reaction as forced sterilizations.
    I would say that this is beyond my comprehension, but I comprehend it quite easily…it is still abhorrent.

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