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  1. filbertz says:

    We need to take back this country…what, for a refund? 😉

  2. Rick says:

    I have always been impressed with the call to follow Jesus extended to both Matthew the tax collector and Simon the Zeolot. What fun conversations they must have had–and what cruel neutrality for Jesus to call them both to something higher.

    I would love sometime to hear church leaders exhort us to being better neighbors, rather than be militant culture warriors. I wonder what excellence at the former would look like compared to our excellence at the latter.

    Mercy

  3. Rick says:

    Oops–mispelled Zealot!

  4. Kevin H says:

    Taking this country back for Jesus. How do you do that if it was never for Jesus in the first place? Not fully, anyway. Was there a time when more people in this country identified as Christians? Yes. Was there a time when Christianity and tradition Christian morals were more respected and more adhered to by those who called themselves Christian and the general public as a whole? Yes. Was there ever a time when this country was fully Christian in rule and/or practice? No. Was there ever a time that Christian morals were consistently practiced in this country? No. (Just think – slavery, mistreatment of the Native Americans, second class citizenship of blacks and women, etc., etc., etc.)

    That being said, I would love to see a revival in this country where many come to faith in Christ and many who already have faith repent of their sinful ways and follow closer after God. If this were to happen, I think many of our society’s ills would be eased. The poor and needy would be better cared for. Crime levels would decrease. Racism would decrease. Sexual behavior, attitudes, and ethics would improve. Abortions would decrease. There would be less corruption in government and big business. Less corruption and abuse in the church. But we would never reach the panacea of old, because it never was. And the real panacea will come only when Jesus returns and fully establishes his kingdom, and it will have nothing to do with the United States.

  5. dswoager says:

    When we pray for revival, are we really praying that large swaths of people will realize that we are right? I mean if revival broke out in the US, but it happened in a tradition that wasn’t close enough to our own… would we even know it, or would we call the work of the evil one?

    I think that I am far too biased to even speculate on what revival would look like today.

  6. ( |o )====::: says:

    We are indeed in the midst of a revival, where the hearts of people are turning to God through serving their families, friends and neighbors, where instead of asking questions of the world, “Why won’t you change and be more godly?” the question is being asked in the mirror looking into the eyes staring back.

    Of course none of this can sell individuals on swarming “revivals” or “crusades” or buying religious trinkets and books and music, nevertheless, God is having His way in the lives of any who will engage, and it’s beautiful.

    Pour out Your Spirit Lord
    On Your people
    Pour out Your Spirit Lord
    On Your people
    Pour out Your Spirit Lord
    On Your people
    Let it reign

    Pour out Your mercy Lord
    On Your people
    Pour out Your mercy Lord
    On Your people
    Pour out Your mercy Lord
    On Your people
    Let it reign

    Pour out Your fire Lord
    On Your people
    Pour out Your fire Lord
    On Your people
    Pour out Your fire Lord
    On Your people
    Let it reign

    Turn the hearts of fathers to their children
    And every nation to the God of love, and holiness
    Let the fire of Your Spirit burn

  7. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Michael – In case you wanted to watch a conference that IS NOT John MacArthur
    Lutherans through The Brothers of John the Steadfast

    Now, the setting isn’t as glitzy and these guys are not snappy dressers – but they have important things to say

    http://steadfastlutherans.org/2015/03/bjs2015-video/

  8. Em says:

    “America needs to return to God” as in “faith of our fathers?”

    my grasp of the history of the Western World – west of the Bosphorus as far as … i was going to say Australia,… well as far west as Hawaii there was a move of humanity that brought some form of the Christian Faith with it…. yeah, i know – those mean old ambitious, Quakers, Spanish Conquistadores and that tyrant Junipero Serra who destroyed the innocent natives of the Americas…. irregardless, Christianity in one form or another was THE religion of the western world…

    there was a security, perhaps a sense o a solidf foundation? now we’re asked by people smarter than us to get real, our faith is at best distorted and hypocritical, intolerant and probably a fiction of ignorance of science…. i have some sympathy for the flailing about among us Church people, who thought that, somehow, we were in a protected and privileged place in history

    just pondering on Michael’s post … i can’t seem to load Rosenbladt on this little netbook device …. my loss as the man is always worth listening to

  9. Babylon's Dread says:

    MLD,

    Thanks for the link… it is a black hole for sure

  10. Babylon's Dread says:

    “Even if you are a Southern Baptist you had to cringe at that character.” I did

  11. Babylon's Dread says:

    I quite enjoyed Rosenbladt. I wanted to append not so much amend him.

  12. Babylon's Dread says:

    As per Rosenblat

    Why so mute about the Spirit when preaching the Gospel? The Bible and the apostles certainly did not opt for it.

    And how can you make even a grim joke like the one about a 10 minute baptism of Anabaptists and not muster so much as a chuckle. Was the crowd really that dim witted or was his delivery that void of timing. Ok both

    But he did give a ringing clear message as to why so many raging atheists and amoral artists are of Jewish descent… the Law makes sin abound… I know it can be construed as antiSemitic … such is the banal world of political correct idiots … that’s what I really hate

    Anyway it was a well-spent hour

  13. Simon Greenleaf says:

    Rosenbladt is smart enough to speak extemporaneously – I wish he would try that — I hate it when people read to me.

  14. Jim says:

    While I long for revival anywhere, and my love for America would selfishly want it to start here, the “former Christian” nation thing is laughable. The 1st amendment is easy to understand.

  15. The funny thing is;
    1.) there is no such thing as revival … unless you think at times the Holy Spirit is slacking and not doing his job during the dry times.
    2.) There is no need for anything called ‘revival’ – people are continually being saved I am sure at the same rate as always. Oh I am sure that there are less fakers acting ‘christian’ as in years gone by, but I am sure that the rate of growth is the same as always.

    So, carry on, no need to be concerned.

  16. Erik says:

    There is no such thing as revival, or refreshings or whatever u want to label it? Seems MLD is a self appointed Lutheran Pope, so by decree, it must be so. Its no wonder Lutherans as a denomination are cold and spiritually lukewarm, with status quo Christianity.

  17. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Erik,
    I don’t know what I said that you find offensive.
    1.) so what is the Holy Spirit doing today if not “reviving” people and awakening people to the reality of Jesus Christ? Is he asleep or in the head?
    2.) I remember when I was a Baptist we used to schedule revival – 2nd week in August – 7 day event. I don’t remember if we had to book the Holy Spirit in advance of if we just conjured him up for the occasion.

    So, how do you “do” revival? 😉

    Cold & Spiritually lukewarm? Perhaps. Status Quo Christianity? You bet – the faith of the NT and the Fathers. I will admit, and perhaps I need to repent and apologize that I am not into new fad Christianity.

  18. JohnnyB says:

    #17

    You are so wrong!!!

    Psalm 80:19 ESV /

    Restore us, O Lord God of hosts! Let your face shine, that we may be saved!

    Psalm 85:6 ESV /

    Will you not revive us again, that your people may rejoice in you?

    Isaiah 57:15 ESV /

    For thus says the One who is high and lifted up, who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy: “I dwell in the high and holy place, and also with him who is of a contrite and lowly spirit, to revive the spirit of the lowly, and to revive the heart of the contrite.

    2 Chronicles 7:14 ESV /

    If my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land.

    James 4:8 ESV /

    Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.

    Ezekiel 37:1-14 ESV /

    The hand of the Lord was upon me, and he brought me out in the Spirit of the Lord and set me down in the middle of the valley; it was full of bones.

    And he led me around among them, and behold, there were very many on the surface of the valley, and behold, they were very dry. And he said to me, “Son of man, can these bones live?”

    And I answered, “O Lord God, you know.” Then he said to me, “Prophesy over these bones, and say to them, O dry bones, hear the word of the Lord. Thus says the Lord God to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live. …

    Job 33:25
    Let his flesh become fresher than in youth, Let him return to the days of his youthful vigor;

    Psalm 80:18 “So will not we go back from thee: quicken us, and we will call upon thy name.”

  19. JohnnyB says:

    Sorry Erik,

    MLD

  20. JohnnyB says:

    LOL Sorry MLD

  21. JohnnyB says:

    LOL reading a thread from the bottom up gives an unreliable perspective…

  22. Erik says:

    No worries Johnnie we have all done it 🙂

    A man with an opinion, will always be subject to a man with an experience. Trying to convince a blind man there is such a thing as a rainbow is futile. #1 because he hasn’t seen one, therefore it must not exist. #2 because he hasn’t seen one, he doesn’t hope there is one, because of an evil heart of unbelief.

  23. JohnnyB,
    So the Holy Spirit only revives and ‘quickens’ upon request? He just doesn’t do that stuff on his own as par of his function?
    I am revived, refreshed and quickened all the time – dang, I have the Holy Spirit living in me… how could a Christian with the spirit alive and living in him not be? Perhaps those who need to be revived really need to be saved.

    Now perhaps this goes to Erik’s comment about living by experience. You know how that works – experience good, there is no stopping you – experience bad, you just lay down on the floor and bemoan how God has exited from your life.

    No, perhaps my status quo christianity has taught me to place my life in the promise of Christ and not in my day to day “spiritual” experiences.

    So hey, let have a revival here on the Phoenix Preacher … when do you want to schedule it? 2nd week in August is still taken by my old Baptist Church 😉

  24. Erik says:

    MLD,

    Explain in your best words, when you mean experientially when you say “I am revived, refreshed and quickened all the time ” Is it a physical sensation, is it emotional, is it mental, is like drinking an quadruple espresso shot of coffee, tell us whats it like for you.

  25. Jim says:

    MLD,

    Planned events called revivals are just a series of meetings. Actual revivals are historical events. I’d say that Luther involved in one…

  26. Erik,
    Well it’s not something I do – it is the continual effect of God’s word and spirit working in me. So, it’s not my emotions, it’s not my mental state, and it’s not my physical sensation.

    It is all outside of me. This is what I meant when I said, if i look to MY experience, then I always fall short and feel abandoned.

    So, back to you – when you ask for revival, what are you looking to experience

  27. Erik says:

    The great Revival or visitation of the Lord, is what I like to call. Shook to the core the great nation of Argentina and saved a generation of people. It didn’t start by hanging out a sign outside a church building as your sarcastically referring too. It all happened when a few people, who where broken and desperate for God, as HE seemed absent in there God forsaken country. They began to repent for there sins, and the sins of there nation, and cried with tears for days, weeks, months even over a year in there private life and in small prayer meeting. Then one day, heaven heard the call, and the Holy Spirit came. And the rest is history.

  28. Erik says:

    This is the issue MLD. Because this is the way the Lord deals with you in your measure of faith that he gave you. His dealings with me are very different than your paradigm. I have not been yet taken to the 3rd heaven like Paul. But I want to experience it, and hope and pray I would be so graced to see it while on earth. But I wont poo poo another mans experience or a group of people who have collectively experienced something so Holy its changed there life forever.

  29. Erik, I am dead serious in trying to understand your position. Are you saying that your faith would be greater if God allowed you to see the 3rd heaven while you were still on this earth?

  30. Joe says:

    My point being, just because i may have not have had a experience that someone may have had. That has born great fruit. I think its terribly wrong to put it down because another has not experienced it. I know someone, who was visited by the Lord for 3 days in a row, at exactly 5:55am in morning in newport beach, shared about two powerful signs and wonders that where done by the power of God, outside, in the public, even the news reported the strange event, people saw It for miles around in newport beach. i can go to another friend, in costa mesa, where Jesus appeared to him ws he was praying, the inpact and increase in faith from the one visit alone, shaped this precious brother in a Godly way.

  31. Joe says:

    This person i speak of goes even to this day attends cccm.

  32. Erik says:

    Can anything good come out of CCCM? In the early days I would say absolutely.

  33. Erik says:

    MLD, I think you get my point.

  34. wall on the fly says:

    Isn’t anyone tired of talking heads???

    A man stands for 1 hour and talks without stopping …

    Is that really the gospel?

  35. Em says:

    IMO – there is great danger in looking for unexplained visions and visitations or praying for them – for a couple of reasons: 1-the human brain is an organ of deceit as well as an incredible asset for processing reality – part of the curse? dunno and 2-the devil (whatever your name for anti-christ) is a reality

    i think when God speaks to us – gives a very few “visions” – it produces peace and assurance and solemnity and does not give one a focus on “let’s do that again, God” … IMHO …

    for me, it is fun to sometimes sit and night and watch the sky for a UFO sighting… i see lots of them in the daytime, tho… not too many birds that i can identify

  36. Dan from Georgia says:

    Re: taking back this country for Jesus, was it Jesus’ country in the first place? Doesn’t seem like it. I really wouldn’t want a theocracy here, because, WHO’s brand of christianity would be in charge? I know “Taking Back The USA for Jesus” doesn’t necessarily mean that we would turn into a Theocracy, but it seems like some people would want it that way.

  37. Erik says:

    @ Em

    “You fathers–if your children ask for a fish, do you give them a snake instead?
    If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”

    We don’t seek, visions, or signs or wonders, but they follow us if we are Spirit filled believers. We seek the Lord and can ask him for gifts of grace to be a witness. That’s why the marriage of Scripture and Spirit is so important.

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