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  1. Erunner says:

    Baaaaaaaaad sheep!!

  2. Linnea says:

    I don’t know about that cartoon— that would require independent thinking by the sheeple…I don’t think that’s allowed πŸ˜‰

  3. Michael says:

    Brian said this last night and it bears repeating.

    ” God does not want heroes, he wants those that persevere where we are at in our lives framework. Basically it is easy to die on a foreign hill with great glory, it is hard to live on a hill with no fan fair but serving Him where we are called. Why is it hard, because we actually have to trust Him.”

  4. Erunner says:

    Music for this week is up. Drop by if you want to listen to a bit of praise & worship.

    http://morethancoping.wordpress.com/2010/07/16/praise-worship-july-17th-2010/

  5. Eric says:

    Happy 55th Birthday Disneyland!!!!

  6. Believe says:

    “God does not want heroes…”

    He wants people to respond to his prompting.

    I believe we’ve got a lot of “heroes”…and we need them…

    London is one of my heroes…an unemployed single woman who kicks butt and takes names and helps people regularly on a very practical level.

    Michael is one of my heroes…he is a father to Trey and an advocate for church abuse victims…a pastor who tends a flock without fanfare or much money…

    Dread, Rolph, Oden, Vic, AV, Centy, Bob Sweat, Walden, FYI, GP, SS, SH, DMW, and most of the rest of the PP pastors are my heroes…they participate on an unpopular forum and example Christ (most of the time) and teach, exhort, hash out…etc. with regular joes. They also (it appears) have Character and model the Standard set forth in Scripture regarding pastor/elders.

    Em, Na’amah, Nancy, Dusty, Sarah, MB, so many others…my heroes. Good moms, strong women who exhort all of us, good wives, prayer warriors, full of Godly wisdom.

    If you define a “hero” as a celebrity, like an Osteen, a Hinn, a Heitzig, a Young etc…then I agree…we don’t need “heroes”.

  7. TonyP. says:

    That cartoon rocks!!! πŸ˜† πŸ˜†

  8. London says:

    Believe – ummm thanks…….I think.

  9. Believe says:

    Regarding the cartoon…I’m sure it happens.

    …in my experience I’ve only seen the other way around.

  10. Em says:

    thinking about Believe’s list and envying his recall ability (thanks for the inclusion) amening it, too

  11. Em says:

    isn’t anyone impressed with the revelation that sheep can climb treess?

  12. Em says:

    Brian said this last night and it bears repeating.

    ” God does not want heroes, he wants those that persevere where we are at in our lives framework. Basically it is easy to die on a foreign hill with great glory, it is hard to live on a hill with no fan fair but serving Him where we are called. Why is it hard, because we actually have to trust Him.”

    and repeating and repeating… πŸ˜€

  13. Em says:

    also pondering the significance of the sheep having a stranglehold on the Shepherd up there…

    now i’m gone…

  14. Greg says:

    Wouldn’t they need thumbs to hold the shepherd’s hook?

  15. BrianD says:

    Excellent article by Leslie Vernick on David & Bathsheba and abuse of power in marriages http://bit.ly/bNisjl

  16. victorious says:

    em,
    “isn’t anyone impressed with the revelation that sheep can climb treess?”

    and

    “also pondering the significance of the sheep having a stranglehold on the Shepherd up there…”

    Maybe they are something else in sheep’s clothing. πŸ˜‰

  17. victorious says:

    BrianD. Great article. My jaw dropped and my mind opened to what this lady had to say about David and his movements towards Bathsheba. I agree with her and have received new understanding of the passage.

    Thanks,

  18. Linnea says:

    Here’s my brush with fame today….we went to a popular eatery for breakfast and who did we encounter? One of the President’s Secretaries, replete with at least 8 guards and street shut down. I was duly impressed πŸ˜‰

  19. Em says:

    David and Bathsheba? i for one have always felt a little insulted when we give Bathsheba a pass: “poor girl, she had no choice?” she was, at best a victim, but i wish she’d put up a fight for her own and her husband’s integrity… O.T. women seem to not have as much required of them by God… the only thing that somewhat resolves it for me, is that, historically, God does seem to work within societal norms… was Abraham called on the carpet for lying? did God care that he was offering his wife as his sister? did Sarah have a choice?
    aaand why do born again N.T. men use the O.T. as their guideline in the first place?

    glad i was born a ‘rich’ 20th century ‘mericun with birth control πŸ˜†

  20. Em says:

    Linnea πŸ™‚ let’s pray that man notices that there’s some problems in the neighborhood … or maybe not…

  21. Linnea says:

    BrianD…great article.

    Em…interesting that you noted “God does seem to work within societal norms…” That is very insightful when considered with the feeling by some that God is not consistent. When we pull away from the seeming inconsistency, we find a commonality– that God works within our bounds of understanding (eg: culture).

  22. Em says:

    Linnea, you said it better πŸ˜‰

  23. Linnea says:

    Em…he was a she, and believe or not, I went to high school with her πŸ˜‰

  24. brian says:

    A few clarifications what I met by “God does not want heroes” I met God does not want lone heroes or people wanting to be heroes or supper Christians or lone Christians. The funny thing about this, in the modern evangelical apologetic if you cant hack it alone your scum and God loathes your useless heathen soul. I hear a lot about community in the church, I have long ago repented, nope try to repent of needing community. I have failed miserably at that, a fact that haunts me a lot. I understand a true Christian should never need, if there was ever a fact that has been drilled into every cell of my being with in the faith community. I dont know if anyone else here has ever done this, but I have actually begged God for forgiveness for needing. I can remember weeping trying to not need, I could not. It was like the time I repented of grief. All this is summed up in a single idea, God and His people do not want a mess, anything that can avoid a mess we need to follow.

    Some have talked about reconciliation, I wish that would not be part of our party line, because it cant happen, gravity will fail before any type of reconciliation will ever happen. Personally this is one reason I dont witness anymore because it wont happen. They wont be welcomed, reconciled, forgiven etc. It just does not happen. Until we get past this I think the rest is moot. Just a personal opinion and I know I am not the only one.

  25. brian says:

    An aside, I have been looking for a job for the last 14 months, I still work at a part time job, that could get cut in a second. I will admit it causes me a bit of frustration. From the faith community it is basically this, if you do not work you are a lazy piece of crap and you should starve. That is the nice side of it. I true Christian would never be out of work, ever want, need, seek, struggle, fill in the blank. So I tried to find a way to supplement my finances, you see the money I lost with my work reduction was what I used in ministry to those I work with about 30%. This broke my heart and I blame myself alone for not having a fall back position like a good Christian would have. In my experience as a Christian if someone does not have a job it is because they are lazy scum and should starve so they repent of being lazy. Well that is not reality, effective I admit, but it is not really helpful.

    It is humiliating being unemployed or under employed, I cant go into how many times I felt like a piece of crap for not having a full time job that met every need and then some. I made the mistake one time when I leaned concerning employment issues in the faith community, as God as my witness this is a sin I will ever never ever no matter what ever will commit again. Some wonder why I say Money and power are the ultimate in the faith community, I would hold, power is an illusion, but money, it always, and I mean always matters. If there is one sin I could repent of it would be that I did not make enough money to care for my family. I dont even know if the Cross can forgive me for that sin.

  26. brian says:

    If there was a movie clip that sort of showed where I am at, change the daughter to the Church family and this is what I would say.

    I dont expect redemption, I dont even know if I want it at times. It would be nice to know it is a possible option.

  27. Fred says:

    Brian

    I get what you are saying,I think. What I have found is faith and following God has little to do with money. Easy for me to say since I am employed.

    God said living, feeding and taking care of family would be tough. Even though Jesus talked about birds and flowers they still have to spend each day looking for food and relying on the rain for refreshing. It’s not easy, nor has it ever been.

    The only sin I can think that would be tragic would be to curse God for leading us into poverty.

    I’m sorry about your job situation. Who knows maybe God is really teaching those whom you used your funds to help something. I really know only this, He is blessed above my poverty.

  28. BrianD says:

    I interviewed Michael for my blog series Blogger Interviews

    http://briandblog.wordpress.com/2010/07/19/the-blogger-interviews-michael-newnham/

  29. Steve Aspinall says:

    Brian,

    Be encouraged! Not having work is not a sin. Not wanting work would be the sin.

    You won’t be the first, nor the last to be in impossible situations, and I’ve been there too. I’m still there, truth be told.

    Sometimes I live the stress of it like it were a straitjacket.

    I don’t have any glib answers for you, because there aren’t any, other than to say that Jesus understands and doesn’t think any less of you for it. When we reach the end of ourselves all we can do is surrender to Him and say ‘I can’t… I haven’t the strength… I haven’t even got the will… I’m spent.’ Even if we don’t experience a magical rebound thirty seconds after saying it, and hear the phone ring or someone knocks at the door with a wad of money just for us, there’s still nothing else we can do.

    And sadly, I do agree with you. The Christian community can be a profoundly class-ist place. The people who like to work the least, in many of my experiences, are the Pastors and leaders. I know Pastors who simply cannot relate to Pastors who work for a living. It’s like you’re living in sin because you’re not trusting God enough. I know Pastors who can cite chapter and verse on what they think their entitlements are from the church, and how to justify it under Paul’s teaching, but few seem aware that Paul also didn’t want to be a burden in his ministry. Some Ministers expect to be full time and to live on the poverty line because it is a lifestyle sacrifice with their basic needs met. Others expect the creature comforts and lots of them, but the snobbery that I’ve encountered of ‘full time’ ministers (who usually spend thousands of dollars travelling around the world visiting churches to beg for support) who look down on day-jobbing ministers because they’re not the ‘real thing’ is shocking, and a very SoCal kind of mindset. Some even go as far as to think that if you work for a living you’re ‘in the world.’

    I have my own views on that which are probably already well known and oft-lamented.

    If you think being out of work is a sin, that’s one thing… But don’t think it because other Christians do. There are worse things you can lose than a job, worse things you can be than out-of-work. Maybe you’re actually finding people react to you because they’re convicted in their own conscience that they live too well, or that they could help you but choose not to.

    I’ve lived the other way. I’ve been all but broke, in a failing business, and I gave some of my working hours up, so that I could pay someone out of my own pocket for doing a few hours here and a few hours there so that they could still feel the dignity of making some money. And I’ve had people exploit that streak in me too. But I understand how you feel. When I first ever started work I had an incredibly well paid job (for the kind of work I did) and I also took on a part-time job as well, and loved the money I was making. But when God wanted my attention to commit to some ministry that I wasn’t being faithful in fulfilling, he took the well paid job away, left me with the part time job, and let me struggle on that for about three years before he gave me favour with the business owner and saw me promoted to full time, and since that time my unexpectedly long-lasting experience in that business has been a real rollercoaster, which gave me mountain peaks and the depths of the mire but in all of it I can see that God has been at work not just there, but in everything I’ve done with myself since – be it in the people I’ve met, the witness that I’ve been able to be, or just the sheer learning experience I’ve had.

    I’ve been through the bitterness, the hurt, the resentment, the comparing myself with other Christians, the faithlessness, the asking God what on earth he thinks he’s doing with me… I honestly got nowhere till I surrendered and asked him to show me how he was seeing my life from his perspective, and then I started to see how conventional my preconceptions were, and how unconventional were His. It really made all the difference.

    I can’t boast that I’ve gained back all that I lost. In fact, in some ways I’m still losing it. But I can boast that He is charge and that He makes all the difference, and in turn I have good friends and great family many of whom are tuned in to God as well, and I’ve found that God ends up bringing people your way who’ve walked a similar path and are perhaps still there. I’d say that of all the people in my fellowship right now, about half of them are minimal income, some are unemployed, some are from the economic migrant community, and they lose jobs on weekly basis and have to go looking for others. And I’m glad for my experiences, because I’ve experienced both sides of the coin, which helps teach you empathy and understanding. He is certainly faithful if you let him be.

    My heart breaks for your discouragement, though. I can still feel mine.

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