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  1. Scott says:

    Anyone witness the mob attacking peaceful law abiding Americans in San Jose this week? Why? Because they were attending a Donald Trump for President rally.

    Mobs of Mexicans (legal & illegal) burning American flags, waving Mexican flags. Attacking fellow American citizens with fists, rocks, eggs, etc.

    I don’t care who you support for president. If witnessing that spectacle doesn’t boil your blood, well.

    Can’t imagine how the blog host would react if his girlfriend were attacked like one of those women who was. Why? She was wearing a Trump tee shirt walking down the street. Attacked by a mob of 50 or more thugs.

    Bernie Sanders & Hillary Clinton probably love this stuff, you know, it reminds them of the “good ole days” of the 1960’s.

  2. Michael says:

    My GF actually did get caught in a similar mess and needed police help to get out.
    I deplore that sort of thing from any group and it damages the cause they are protesting.

    It might have helped if the candidate hadn’t described that group as being all rapists and criminals and threatened to deport millions of people.

    The same rhetoric that inflames supporters will always inflame opposition as well.

    Trust me on that one…I know a little bit about inflammatory rhetoric…

  3. “Bernie Sanders & Hillary Clinton probably love this stuff, you know, it reminds them of the “good ole days” of the 1960’s.”

    Wait a minute – I loved the passion of the “good ole days” of the 1960’s.” – I was there and involved. I am surprised that the Bernie people don’t riot over the Hillary people.

    The 1968 Chicago Democratic Convention to me was the highlight of 20th century politics – not only of the corruption within (at that time) my Democratic party but over the corruption of the Richard Daley city and police force.

    Sometimes ya gotta burn it down before you can rebuild it.

  4. Michael says:

    I don’t know anybody who thinks the rioting is a positive thing.

    It enables people to frame the narrative as Trump supporters being good law abiding Americans and Trump detractors as being anti-American criminals.

    That becomes a very positive meme for Trump.

    I do think this summer will make ’69 look like a VFW barbecue…

  5. Michael says:

    I’m very surprised at the somewhat muted reaction to the death of Muhammed Ali… for better or worse he was a cultural icon.

    I’m out…

  6. Em ... again says:

    we have a situation…
    i have listened to both Bernie and Hillary and Hillary, more than Bernie, fans the flames with her rhetoric, her buzz words that are calculated to do just that in order to get more support. Yes, Donald plays into her hands (i ask myself why?), but Hillary is using his pugilistic approach (RIP Ali) to her advantage in a dangerous way – IMV – “he must not get elected or he will HURT you” -she then elaborates on all the hate that the right harbor – “but we won’t let him do that to you – vote-for-me – yada, yada, yada”

    we’d all better get smart real quick and realize that all of us are being played – those rioting punks – whose behind setting that in motion? not Donald Trump
    eventually, it WILL reach critical mass and the manipulators will just sit back and watch the show…

  7. Em ... again says:

    “I do think this summer will make ’69 look like a VFW barbecue…” pray that those who have nothing better to do get jobs or we’ll go from rocks to fists to knives to guns to who knows what, eh? i think the government knows this and is prepared to take the rioters on… i suspect that is what the armored vehicles that someone mentioned a while back and the rumored “camps” are all about … keep your children home, folks …?… dunno

    maybe the internet can get the word out – “don’t get sucked into this!”

    speaking of internet, i use Safari browser when i visit the PhxP and for a while now it has been hanging up and won’t let me leave the site, go offline or shut my computer down without unplugging (i have a big old iMac monitor, so thankfully i don’t have to open it up and take the batteries out) … it only happens when i come here, is anyone smart enough about these things to know if i am being used by some hacker or something?

  8. Xenia says:

    whose behind setting that in motion? not Donald Trump<<<

    Oh yes he is. He's the one making foolish, inflammatory proclamations that stir up the mobs.

    And I think he enjoys it.

  9. Michael says:

    Em,

    There isn’t a virus on the site…I just ran a check.
    I have constant issues with Safari like you have…except I have them all over the place.

  10. Xenia says:

    Poor Mr. Huckabee has lost his way. It was so sad to see this dear man trying to defend Trump University on TV the other day. Everything he probably really hates, deep down in his Christian heart of hearts, he has been beguiled into supporting. May he develop the courage to step away. Dr. Ben, too. If reviling the judge of Mexican descent doesn’t turn Christians and all people of good will off, then I don’t know what will. But I am sure Trump will say something even worse, as he is growing ever more reckless. But his fans will explain it away, just like the members of abusive churches defend their abusive pastor.

  11. Michael says:

    Xenia,

    At this point there is nothing he can do to harm himself.
    People have decided he is the cure for all they despise.

    Now, I’m off to the skatepark for real… 🙂

  12. Em ... again says:

    Xenia, we’ll have to disagree on this… he just provided the kindling – we’ve got some professional rabble rousers who are coalescing and igniting the crowds to violence… i don’t know what their agenda is… anarchy could serve a lot of power grabbing interests
    there are some who say that Trump entered the race for just this purpose to send the right wingers over the top and secure Hillary’s election… it is all very strange right now

    for the life of me i don’t know why our Latinos want to take the Southwest back to Mexico – it was parceled out in Spanish land grants … do they want to perpetuate the aristocracy that exploits Mexico to this day?

    growing up in the 1940s in Glendale, CA the Verdugo family was very much a part of the pride and history of the area, but give it back to Spain, which is what Mexico really is tied to to this day? we all romanticize days gone by – all except our Blacks who knew that they were being exploited and have no desire to go back to the good old days…

    i ramble – sorry

  13. Xenia says:

    it was parceled out in Spanish land grants <<<

    It was won by the US in the Mexican American War.

  14. Em ... again says:

    #9 – thank you, Michael … perhaps, i’ll use firefox to visit you here – see if that works better – 🙂

  15. Em ... again says:

    Xenia, well, yes, it was …. eventually … but first and long before the war(s) with Mexico and Spain came those Conquistadores, did they not? there was a lot of jockeying for position and holdings in the New World … only France and Russia were smart enough to take the money and run
    one thing is sure, it would be interesting to see Mexico try to govern Texas today 🙂

  16. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Big difference between ’68 and today – the lack ofcollege involvement and today’s trouble is localized to where Trump is speaking.

  17. Jean says:

    I don’t think you’re going to see 60s style college involvement, because there’s no draft. Also, despite the media, the job market for college grads is pretty good.

  18. And 2 dozen Mexicans showing up to cause trouble outside a Trump speech just doesn’t quite cut it.
    It will actually be a boring election season and the media will do what it can to keep people awake and agitated.

    btw, the job market was great for college grads when I graduated in 1971 and school was almost free — but we took the world situation seriously. Today, only the lack of new good video games gets a millennial upset.

  19. Scott says:

    “The millennial generation is still lagging in the workplace, just as it did last year. It makes up about 40 percent of the unemployed in the U.S., says Anthony Carnevale, a director and research professor for Georgetown University’s Center on Education and the Workforce.Generation Opportunity, a conservative nonprofit that advocates for millennials, releases a monthly “Millennial Jobs Report” that slices official labor data and tracks unemployment rates for younger workers. As of May, the data show 13.8 percent of 18- to 29-year-olds are out of work, an improvement over 14.2 percent in January and over the same time last year, when it was 15.4 percent. The trend is encouraging, but the number is still way above the national jobless rate of 5.4 percent.”

    Besides that, do you really believe the jobless rate in the U.S. is 5.4% That number is skewed by the tens of thousands that have completely dropped out of the work force because they can’t find work and NOT being reported.

    http://www.newsweek.com/2015/06/05/millennial-college-graduates-young-educated-jobless-335821.html

  20. Scott says:

    As far as this violence being perpetrated on Trump supporters being even remotely justified and “understood” why it is happening, I say bull crap and I’m not even a Trump supporter.

    I think it was Obama and Hillary that foisted the lie in the media after the attack on our embassy in Benghazi and death of our ambassador, remember that one?

    It was a video that caused a spontaneous attack.

    Yeah right.

  21. Xenia says:

    So how are you connecting Benghazi with the handful of angry Mexican nationalists who tried to disrupt the Trump rally in San Jose? I can’t quite connect the dots.

    This is what I have noticed: Trump does or says something atrocious. A Trump supporter is asked how this can be justified. Rather than speaking to what Trump said (and its implications), they immediately begin talking about the sins of Hillary as if her faults (which are many) permit Trump to do or say whatever vulgar or stupid thing he wants to say or do.

  22. Em ... again says:

    not in answer to any of the comments, but just observing…
    my late husband’s roots were New York and Pennsylvania and the way Donald T. talks (not excusing it) is the way some of my husband’s relatives talked – it’s street talk
    you ramp it up, they ramp it up and raise you one and there is no cut-off, you don’t back down…
    my late mother-in-law was an education for me (she was a good woman) – she’d raise a ‘discussion’ to a level where, if i talked that way, you could be pretty sure i was ready to kill you – i’m not exaggerating
    all this to say that i’m not so sure we understand where Trump’s behavior is rooted; he may think he’s speaking to the man in the street … if so, if it’s that simple, somebody had better clue him in right soon
    most of us are just trying to figure out what in the world is going on and hoping that it is not as bad as it looks ….

    it looks bad to me from every direction… we may yet see some unknowns put forth at the conventions … i wonder

  23. London says:

    I honestly wonder what Deitrich Bonhoffer would have to say about the Trump campaign and the Christians who support him.
    If only I had a time machine….

  24. Scott says:

    Xenia, the dots are easy to connect, at in my mind.

  25. Scott says:

    Michael, you mentioned the death of Ali. His public persona in the world of boxing promotions and Trump’s techniques are similar, don’t you think?

  26. Michael says:

    I’m not at home, but I will try to answer .
    Ali was a performer, not someone aspiring to the most powerful position in the world.
    The comparison is frankly ludicrous.
    The problems we face politically demand sobriety of thought and word, not inflammatory assaults on people that inspire our most base and ugly instincts.

    I will join in harsh censure of violent protests , but I won’t count him blameless for them.

  27. Michael says:

    One of things I constantly hear from Trumpites is that “he doesn’t really mean it”. That assumption is potentially deadly in so many ways…yet I hear it repeated so often. This isn’t a reality show…it’s our nation.
    I’m studying the Civil War and am fascinated by Robert E.Lee. He was offered command of the Union, but refused because his loyalty was to his state.
    I think I’ll act likewise…just worry about Oregon.

  28. A change of topics. 2 Lutherans discussing the Book of James — for those who don’t think Lutherans know how to do it — but we make it gospel.

    http://higherthings.org/resources/simulcast/shows/2016-06-03

  29. Dallas says:

    Just got back from vacation a couple hours ago, managed to jot down something positive while I was away. 🙂

    http://dswoager.wordpress.com/2016/06/02/celebrate-the-wind/

  30. brian says:

    One thing you should understand about San Jose and the bay area in general, everything is for sale, and I do mean everything. The thugs at the rally were not committed youth of the sixties but were a rent a mob that goes around harassing people. There are unreported assaults all the time around where I live, threats, attempted murders etc. The police are only at maybe 60% and that is not going to change. They do not respond to property calls at all and if you are beaten but not dead don’t call 911. On Thursday, they did not even answer. Anyway, I can’t wait to move out of this state, to be honest. I thought about going just to hear Trump speak even though I cant stand the guy. It was made clear they knew violence was going to happen and some are even saying there was a “stand down” order to the police.

  31. brian says:

    Yes there are and these are two different cities I abhor violence in the political process it undercuts all of us. Even though our nation has had a very violent political process in some ways it has also been stable when compared to other nations. The situation in San Jose was caused partly by the fact that our police are truly understaffed and this even just makes in that much clearer imo. I am not nor ever will be a Trump supporter and find his rhetoric reprehensible. So yes there are two sides to every story actually there are many sides to every story, what should be agreed on, I guess is that such violence is wrong.

  32. Disillusioned says:

    Inflammatory rhetoric – detestable as it is — does not absolve anyone who chooses to act violently.
    Just….no.

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