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  1. Josh the Baptist says:

    Seeing the reports from the MLK50 conference gave me a lot of hope for the future of the SBC. Then I started seeing the pushback. Good grief, people.

    I almost got discouraged, but it occurred to me that there will never…never…be progress without resistance.

    This is part of the process. Part of God’s plan.

    Ummmm…make your own application?

  2. Dan from Georgia says:

    On April 21, the White Nationalist’s Party will hold a rally in Newnan, GA.

    I live in Newnan, GA.

    Not sure if I’m going to go protest or leave town for a few hours, but prayers are appreciated.

    The is NO room in a heart for both racism and Jesus.

  3. Dan from Georgia says:

    Josh,

    Lots of resistance here in Georgia. As per my post #2, and now a video surfaced of a man at a community/Government meeting in Griffin, GA using the N-word.

  4. Josh the Baptist says:

    Dan, don’t go. Those people are there to be reasoned with. Prayers.

  5. Josh the Baptist says:

    Those people are NOT there to be reasoned with. (one word makes all the difference 🙂 )

  6. Jean says:

    They may not be there to be reasoned with, but I could see the value in showing solidarity with our black and Jewish brothers and sisters, that (many, most hopefully) white people disavow racism.

  7. Josh the Baptist says:

    Do that online. Showing up at their event will lead to violence. And that is what they want.

  8. Dan from Georgia says:

    Josh and Jean,

    I know my wife definitely does NOT want me to go. What is encouraging is the almost everyone on my neighborhood community website is troubled by their appearance here.

  9. Josh the Baptist says:

    Yeah, shut it down. Give them no attention. Perhaps they can have their silly little meeting and leave as quickly as they came.

  10. Dan from Georgia says:

    There is a petition on change.org for the city of Newnan to revoke the permit to this group.

  11. Xenia says:

    Personally, I would attend with a sign. I would not provoke anyone, I would be silent, but I would be there standing up for what’s right.

    This needs to be done before it’s too late. Remember Germany. It CAN happen here.

    You all know the phrase about all it takes for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing.

    Limiting your protests to internet discourse is less than worthless, IMO.

    Be the good men.

  12. ( |o )====::: says:

    “Be the good men.”

    <3

  13. ( |o )====::: says:

    My daughter brought me this sign, hand carried in her luggage.
    I found the link for you if you’d like to go to get it printed and stand silently…

    https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/a140c5_bf96ee2e5ce1489a80f8c6236ae3b8ed.pdf

  14. Josh the Baptist says:

    Organize a counter protest the next day, or next week. No need to be part of an ugly scene.

  15. Josh the Baptist says:

    Good men speaking up doesn’t mean we chase the loonies around and dare them to beat us up. Wisdom should be exercised.

  16. Jim says:

    White nationalists are a tiny fringe group. I’d ignore them.

  17. John 20:29 says:

    What would i do if white nationalists held a rally in my town? Hmmm
    From what i can see we’ve reached critical mass where racism is concerned and there is a slim to none chance of these supremacist characters achieving anything beyond noteriety… We need to speak out when any race claims superiority, but i think there are much more destructive mindsets (mindless mindsets?) forming today – both secular and cloaked in religion… at least that is how it looks from up here… to me

  18. bob1 says:

    #18

    I saw this man interviewed on TV. Very, very inspiring!

  19. Duane Arnold says:

    Dan

    Years ago I protested a Klan march… and ended up with 13 stitches on the back of my head. (The poles on which signs are mounted make amazingly effective weapons, I learned to me cost.) I’ve often reflected on whether it was the right thing to do or not. I’m not sure there is a clear “one answer fits all” to the question.

    So, the best I can say is to pray about and ask for God’s guidance. If you feel led of the Spirit to protest, then go. If you feel led by the Spirit simply to pray, then pray and do it without guilt. You’ll certainly be in my prayers and the prayers of many here…

  20. London says:

    I’m with Xenia. I would go and hold a sign, provoking no one.

  21. Josh the Baptist says:

    P.S. – Stay at home. 🙂

  22. Kevin H says:

    One example to keep in mind when it comes to deciding upon protests is what happened in Charlottesville. Some of those who went to counter-protest the white nationalist protestors went with peaceful intents. However, other counter-protestors were seemingly itching for a fight. The end result was a very ugly scene.

    Peaceful protests I believe are a noble thing, especially when the protestors are putting themselves at risk as to what those they are protesting may try to do to them. But one should also consider the potential environment if some of their fellow protestors may turn out to be not so peaceful themselves.

  23. Xenia says:

    I think my sign would say the following:

    Jesus love the little children
    All the children of the world
    Red and yellow, black and white
    They are precious in His sight
    Jesus loves the little children of the world.

    (I realize some might find the words “red” and “yellow” offensive. I think I would replace them with “brown” but then the poetry doesn’t scan very well….)

  24. John 20:29 says:

    Is Xenia’s chorus too large for a bumper sticker? ?

    I still think no counter demonstration works here …. Let their twisted view display without distraction… Or… Maybe round up every person you can, red and yellow brown and white. Lock arms and form a silent line … It should stretch for blocks…

  25. Duane Arnold says:

    Xenia

    If you don’t mind, what area of medieval literature are you studying?

  26. richard says:

    G-man;
    the sign you linked to has a pro-abortion line. Is that your stance ?
    if so, please elaborate.

  27. Dan from Georgia says:

    Duane (20)…thanks!

    All,

    Many varied thoughts here. I will post a comment later Saturday or Sunday. Will not post what I personally did though as that is a private matter.

    Hopefully and prayerfully it won’t be a national news item.

  28. Dan from Georgia says:

    I will say this…wife and I will pray for no physical conflict that day and that maybe there is something else we can do besides pray. People have suggested bringing water to the counter-protesters.

  29. Dan from Georgia says:

    I’m tell ya..I’ve lived here in western Georgia for almost 8 years now after living in Minnesota for the first 42 years of my life and I knew anecdotally that the culture was different in the south, but this is bringing that difference close to home.

  30. Jim says:

    Dan,

    Do you think that most of your new neighbors are white supremacists?

  31. Xenia says:

    Duane, Anglo-Saxon/ Norse/ Germanic

  32. filbertz says:

    It’s one thing when evil is ‘out there’ and one must travel to confront it, but when it ‘comes home’ I believe it is one’s obligation to draw a line and say ‘no further.’ That does not mean to violently resist, but to clearly protest and ‘peacefully, as much as it depends on you’ withstand the evil.

  33. Dan from Georgia says:

    Jim,

    Absolutely not!

  34. Xenia says:

    Filbertz, that’s what I think.

  35. London says:

    Flip,
    I agree.

  36. Jim says:

    Dan.

    I don’t either. Your West Georgia culture comment confused me. My wife’s family is from LaGrange and Thomaston, and we’ve talked at length about her Jr High days there in the early 70’s. I’ve been there a couple of times, and “her people” have been here quite a bit. I’m a pretty big fan of what I’ve seen of the people. My affluent neighbors in east coast central Florida are far more racist than her working class west Georgia family members.

  37. Jim says:

    Fil,

    The alt right are desperate for attention. They had their day in the sun when Bannon tried to co-op their little movement, but are now being pushed back into their basement. I think that this is a time when “don’t feed the trolls” is sage advice.

  38. Dan from Georgia says:

    Thanks for your reply Jim! I’m on the road and will get back to you soon.

  39. Dan from Georgia says:

    Btw, I’m actually in Lagrange right now!

  40. Duane Arnold says:

    Xenia

    It;s just that I’ve got a terribly expensive Middle-English dictionary that I thought might be of use…

  41. ( |o )====::: says:

    Richard,
    Read it again.
    A woman has that stated right.

    Now, If any woman in my universe wishes to choose what I personally pray she does not, it is incumbent upon me to offer to help her, support her and her baby(s) through adulthood, that I be truly “pro-life”.
    Anything less for me is unacceptable.

    Clear enough?

  42. ( |o )====::: says:

    WOMEN ARE IN CHARGE OF THEIR BODIES

  43. Outside T. Fold says:

    42 + 43, ( |o )====:::

    I am glad to read your affirmation.

    I like this question as a plumb line in matters such as the one raised by richard:
    Are women full and complete human beings?

    If your answer is “yes” okay then. If your answer is “Yes, but…” your answer is “no.”

    I find this question clarifying on so many levels.

  44. John 20:29 says:

    #43 granny em can’t amen that declaration as i read it… sorry, but……
    Speaking as a woman, if we’re in control of our bodies we ought to be able to avoid getting pregnant (excepting in a rape situation) today…. If we, and many, many good mommies have, find ourselves inconveniently pregnant, unless pregnancy is life threatening, it is our obligation to fulfill the role for the next 18 years or so…
    Back in time to the years of less convenient birth control many here were conceived unintentionally and you had good moms. But i hate to tell you this – many of you, when in embryonic bliss didn’t hear your dear, good mothers’ dismay that she was with child … again. You didn’t hear her tell a friend what she wished would happen. I did. God made provision for this; the first time she held you all was forgotten.
    Yes, there are exceptions. They don’t negate the principle.
    I don’t think the declaration that women are in charge of their bodies gives us the excuse or the justification to avoid unpleasant outcomes… any more than it does for men… Bravo, Gman, for declaring that you’d support that mom (the one who is alone) … We all should and we don’t! Those are the words of a good man. God give us more Gmen… ?
    I think the world is in desperate need of tender hearted men who’ll step in and do God’s work – mentor our children whose only male connection was a sperm donor…

  45. Dan from Georgia says:

    Hi Jim,

    Going back up the comment roll, I can see that my comment on the culture wasn’t stated well. Thanks for asking about that (seriously). I am glad to see that the people around here are overwhelmingly troubled by this upcoming gathering and are looking at ways to show their displeasure.

  46. Xenia says:

    Duane, it might be. I am sure Chaucer is going to find his way into my studies eventually.

  47. Richard says:

    Thank you John 20:29 for putting into words how I feel too.

  48. SMH says:

    About that White Nationalist rally

    Why is everyone giving them the attention they so desperately want?

    All a protest against them does is give them a voice, an audience, and spread their vitriolic ideology to immature people trying to split idealogical hairs to save face (they don’t want to admit they are racist). My advice for Dan from Georgia – don’t engage them.

  49. Duane Arnold says:

    #47 Xenia

    Good – I’ll be in touch with Michael about arrangements.

    BTW, I remember a small parish church in the UK – Anglo Saxon, but the archeologists speculated that some timbers came from a Viking ship!

  50. Xenia says:

    Duane, I would be honored to borrow that dictionary!

    You can contact me directly at diane DOT xenia AT gmail

  51. Xenia says:

    It’s GREAT AND HOLY SATURDAY, folks!

    This is the day Christ set the captives free!

    This is the day He grabbed Adam and Eve by their wrists and dragged them out of Hades and gave them Life Eternal! Wow!

    Getting ready to leave for Church. This morning we’ll be having a marathon Scripture reading session, an hour or so of readings from the Old Testament, prophesying the Savior. Last year I was given the task of reading the whole book of Jonah, gourd and all, out loud.

    Tonight is Pascha. It’s very rainy so we may not have our outside procession this year. Taking my raincoat just in case.

    Then we will all break the fast together around 4am. I myself am bringing four pounds of crispy bacon to share. 🙂

  52. Jim says:

    So, I looked into the Newnan, GA rally, The group is the National Socialist Movement, who the SPLC and the NYT claim are the largest neo nazi org in the country, with a whopping 400 members.

    They were founded in Saint Paul, Minnesota, and are currently headquartered in Detroit.

    Antifa will be there to peacefully pepper spray people in the face, and both groups will receive the attention they desperately crave.

  53. John 20:29 says:

    For Xenia and al who arel observing Jesus Christ’s victory this weekend – have a glorious celebration – full of joy

  54. John 20:29 says:

    #54_ “All,” not Al, whoever he is, LOL. well, i guess Al, too, if this is his time to celebrate. ?

  55. JTK says:

    Re: the TGC review of Larry Norman,
    “creative, gifted people shipwrecked with loneliness, immorality, and personal or family chaos”

    That’s not a thing, is it?
    Didn’t that pass away 2000 years ago?

  56. Dan from Georgia says:

    Jim, I had no idea they were founded in Minnesota. Yeah, from what I’ve heard l, Antifa seems more of a threat.

  57. Xenia says:

    Thank you, Em 🙂

  58. Outside T. Fold says:

    Xenia– love your description. For a few years some time back, I attended the Great Vigil at a Russian Uniate church in El Segundo. The Paschal homily of St. John Chrysostom, multiple and repeated acclamations that Christ is Risen, and kissing priests and icons (okay, two outta three.). As my name attests, I’m outside the fold, but I loved participating in the most ancient rite of Christianity.

  59. filbertz says:

    Jim,
    I understand your reasoning regarding giving attention to this childishly ignorant group. Where I differ is that peaceful, non-confrontive protest against their presence combats the illusion of apathy/tacit approval. The ones who need to stop giving them attention are those who are just as starved for attention–the media and groups like antifa. Their presence is what will more likely lead to confrontations like that in West Virginia. For the folks of west Georgia to take a stand and without doubt state ‘not here!’ sends a message not only to this group of turds, but a clear one to the children and citizens of that community that the adults care enough to publicly decry the message of hate.

  60. Jim says:

    Why? Is my genuine apathy approval? There are nut jobs carrying signs in cities every weekend, but they don’t fit the media narrative and are therefore ignored. I have no intention of promoting the narrative, but Dan obviously has the right to do what he thinks is best.

    BTW, the people of Newnan have already spoken clearly that they don’t want the city to allow the gathering to occur.

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