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  1. j2theperson says:

    For those interested in the ongoing saga of my dysfunctional church, the vestry was uniformly against lifting any restrictions on the crazy guy so the bishop backed off. I guess, in a nutshell, that’s why I’m still going to this church. The leadership has been terrible, but the actual parishioners are not godless morons. Our previous rector turned out to be a wingnuts progressive who didn’t believe anything approaching orthodox faith, but he was not the search committee’s or vestry’s first choice. He was second by a very wide margin and there was serious thought of starting the calling process over when the first choice candidate backed out at the very end. So, again, the parishioners weren’t total liberal morons in that situation either. I feel like god is here and working in the lives of the people in this parish and I want to see the business/financial aspects of the church get turned around and for us to hire a competent rector because a majority of the people here have been going here for decades, if not their entire lives. Some have family members interred here. I don’t want them to have this place taken away from them now, all of a sudden, unexpectedly–particularly when god is still in this place and it’s not just another spiritually dead mainline church. But it’s all probably going to end badly and I’m still kissed off at the bishop for not being able to recognize a wolf when it’s smack in front of him and he’s got two wardens and a vestry telling him he’s bad news.

  2. Jerod says:

    Is your bishop a liberation theologian?

  3. bob1 says:

    Jerod, Are you still garnering your theological information from the ODMs? That’s exactly the kind of the question they would ask.

    Do your own homework. For one thing, liberation theology was primarily a Catholic thing, not Anglican. You do know they’re quite different, right? It also peaked about 20 years ago. Good grief.

  4. j2theperson says:

    My guess would be that his actions don’t spring from any theology per we but rather from a desire to appear fair and even handed. Its kind of like a judge in a contentious divorce case who puts a kid back into an abusive situation because he wants to be fair and is unwilling to believe one of the parties is as over the top dsngerous as the other party is claiming.

  5. Jerod says:

    bob1.
    Easy, pal.

    No, I’m not.

    I’m garnering it from experience with Christians in my masters program and working in spec ed with Christian teachers and people physically, mentally, (etc) disabled. Ecumenical folks usually don’t care who thought of what if it works in application. Basically it goes to the imago dei in each of us, what it truly is and means.

    Neither did I say there was something inherently wrong with it or that there was not a place for it.

    If you asked the right questions you might get beyond your surface perceptions of me.

  6. Jerod says:

    J2
    I only ask because I have the same struggle on my stance with mental disability. How far foes grace go? Do we wait until there is blood on the floor before we act to protect the flock from sheep without self-control?

    With physical and cognitive disabilities I am firmly in the camp that “Special Needs Ministries”, imho, are the equivalence of segregated church (having run one of those ministries).

    I wonder if we lay people focused our efforts in the community more, or if we truly recognized ministry as mundane daily life, if we might find solutions we hadn’t seen before.

  7. Em says:

    J2’s diemma makes the case for common sense grace .. IMHO
    The letters to those 7 churches give us food for thought here, i think…
    Seldom are reasons excuses…..

  8. Jean says:

    Question:

    If a Chief Executive of America has divided loyalties between America and a foreign adversary, whether due to greed, ignorance and/or blackmail, do American Christians owe that Chief Executive honor and support pursuant to 1 Pet. 2:13f?

  9. Em says:

    Who’d you have in mind, Jean? 😸

  10. You can vote your conscience showing disapproval. Peter said to honor (not worship) the emporer. A lot of Jews thereafter didn’t and that didn’t end well.

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