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  1. Laura says:

    God bless you, Michael, for your steadfast, immovable, foundational work on the Tom Randall/ Sankey abuse. May I request we support Joe Mauk’s two daughters who bravely shared on Wartburg Watch today. Please pray for the Mauk family and all who’ve been terribly harmed by this cover up. Still pleading for third party investigation. Thank you, again, Michael. Godspeed to your healing.

    http://thewartburgwatch.com/2019/03/27/the-behavior-of-tom-randall-two-victims-and-one-observer-come-forward-and-raise-red-flags-metoo-churchtoo/

  2. Michael says:

    Amen , Laura…the WW is doing great work and Joe’s daughters have been heroic from the beginning…as has Joe…

  3. Em says:

    Ouch! Praying for God’s strength and mercies and good friends close by

  4. Paige says:

    Wow…. so sorry… prayers for you….

    Our ‘thing’ today is seeing how crazy it is for some of our christian friends who have gotten to the Enneagram thing. Yikes…. totally deceptive… Only those unskilled in the scriptures would get near it…. Shades of the 60s and how the ‘new age’ is the same old lies. … “you can be like God”…. total lack of the Fear of God…

  5. pstrmike says:

    Wow, Paige, a bit surprised by your comment. I see the Enneagram as I do things like yoga or many others, it is what you make of it. We did a little work with it in seminary, and it was helpful for me to understand a bit more of what makes me tick. I don’t wear it on my sleeve, however. Never heard anything about “you can be like God” in our study. I think of the Enneagram as the Meyers-Briggs of this century.

    And . . . I am not unskilled in the scriptures. Peace.

  6. Paige says:

    Pstrmike….. check this out….straight out of the 60s and Paramahansa Yogananda and other old school cult leaders https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/the-traditional-enneagram

  7. pstrmike says:

    Thanks Paige. We’ve known each other online for many years now and I have always been grateful for your support, and I appreciate your motive behind this. Having read the webpage, I didn’t see any problem with what I read in keeping the Enneagram within proper contents.

    I am working as a TA for a world religion class, and it is amazing to me that a few common threads exist in other religions and Christianity. Not that I am willing to jettison my faith, but I recognize that there is some truth, which I see as the form of common grace, among other faiths. I would not consider their understanding efficacious, it is far from a complete gospel, but these elements exist. But I also believe God speaks to every human heart, whether they listen or not, is another matter.

    Justin Martyr articulated my sense on these things, and I will leave you with his writing from Apology. Peace.

    Justin, Apology, II.13

    For I myself, when I discovered the wicked disguise which the evil spirits had thrown around the divine doctrines of the Christians, to turn aside others from joining them, laughed both at those who framed these falsehoods, and at the disguise itself, and at popular opinion; and I confess that I both boast and with all my strength strive to be found a Christian; not because the teachings of Plato are different from those of Christ, but because they are not in all respects similar, as neither are those of the others, Stoics, and poets and historians. For each man spoke well in proportion to the share he had of the generative word (or reason), seeing what was related to it. But they who contradict themselves on the more important points appear not to have possessed the wisdom that is infallible, and the knowledge which is irrefutable. Whatever things were rightly said among all teachers, are the property of us Christians. For next to God, we worship and love the Word who is from the Unbegotten and Ineffable God, since also he became man for our sakes, that, becoming a partaker of our sufferings, he might also bring us healing. For all the writers were able to see realities darkly through the sowing of the implanted word that was in them. For the seed and imitation imparted according to capacity is one thing, and quite another is the thing itself, of which there is the participation and imitation according to the grace which is from him.

    James Stevenson, A New Eusebius: Documents Illustrating the History of the Church to AD 337 (London: SPCK, 1987), 61–62.

  8. M-B has its roots in Jung, whose work was influenced by his occult interests. Psychology turned more towards actual science in the 50s with Berne and others. I forget what type I am, IN… something…

  9. Mud Man says:

    First let me state clearly, I have zero knowledge of ‘Potters Field Ministries’ beyond observing their website and the promotion of the ministry through it.

    Here’s what I observed and how it applies to other “ministries:”

    It’s all about them.

    I also think too many ministries seem to be about making stars of the people involved. This isn’t a new thing in my lifetime either, just name a few “heroes” of the Faith and then consider what you learned about Jesus through them.

    Personally I find there’s a lot of noise but very little teaching about the Christ out there.

    BTW decades ago I saw a man give a teaching using a potter’s wheel. Nice object lesson, but “where’s the beef?”

    Just some thoughts.

  10. Em says:

    “It’s all about them [and us]”
    Makes me think of Jesus and those Pharisees… “Who do you think you are? We’re in charge of goodness and religion around here!”
    There IS something in the soul of a man that responds to God… or doesn’t…. ?

  11. The New Victor says:

    I’ve seen Mike Rozell and his wife give two sermons. I thought they gave a good witness, especially with him describing the pretend Christian (including the problems in their marriage which he attributed to himself) he was at first until taken aside by an elder from his church. I have no idea about the ministry itself, other than a few young adults from church go into it every year or so.

  12. Mud Man says:

    New Victor:

    I go to their page and all I read is about them, their schedule, testimonies, marketing, asking for contributions (money) and just one little reference to Him, the black and white banner photo with the only color being the stylized cross in the background.

    This just seems so typical of too many “ministries,” it’s marketing an idea and making a living off of the cross and resurrection. Just gets to me the deepest levels.

    I come back to the theme of disciple making and what that is all about. In my opinion, shouldn’t one be making disciples of Jesus the Christ, and as the young man said in Duane’s post recently stated, “Christ Followers?”

    Are we following the latest cool stars or something else?

    Reminds me of the historic Bar Kokhba rebellion, one famous sage of the day claimed he was the Messiah and in reality his followers were killed brutally at the hands of the Romans.

    Who are we following?

    Paul said this:

    1 Corinthians 4:15–17
    For if you have ten thousand guardians in Christ, yet you do not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I fathered you through the gospel. Therefore I exhort you, become imitators of me. Because of this, I have sent to you Timothy, who is my dear and faithful child in the Lord, who will remind you of my ways in Christ Jesus, just as I teach everywhere in every church.

    The readers are to imitate him in the way he lives in Christ.

    I find many ministries seem to forget Christ and His ways are to be taught. Ironically they are taught by how the leader lives those ways out, good and bad BTW.

    Just rambling some thoughts. I will admit I’ve had it with all the flashy church shows (theatre smoke, visuals, and dancing lights) and gospel entertainment that goes on for teaching these days. But I guess it was always this way.

  13. Mud Man says:

    Em:

    “Makes me think of Jesus and those Pharisees… “Who do you think you are? We’re in charge of goodness and religion around here!”
    There IS something in the soul of a man that responds to God… or doesn’t…. ?”

    Don’t get what you are trying to say. It seems to be kind of cryptic about what or whom you are making the analogy.

    Please explain a bit further.

    Thank you.

  14. Em says:

    Mud Man, yes, i do tend to sound cryptic at times…. sorry
    Lets see if i can do better – maybe still cryptic, dunno – it seems that even within the Christian Faith, our leadership can drift (or is it a character trait?) into thinking that they are what it is all about… just as the Jewish leaders of Jesus’ day could look Him in the eyes and tell Him that they were the ones who owned the Faith… Their sense of self importance blinded them both visually and mentally to the identity of the man who was standing there – God, Himself
    That is how it seems from here … to me … today. ?

    God keeo

  15. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    A short (less than 10 min) fun video – what does the Bible teach about the binding of Satan.

  16. Em says:

    Late Adrien Rogers gave a great message on Revelation this morning… ?
    Hope the quiet here is Sunday priorities or enjoying spring….

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