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  1. N. Roy says:

    On 1/1/2020 while taking a look at my past church affiliations, I fired up this video from a church I attended in the 80s and I heard a comment that disturbed me, so greatly, that I left a comment on youtube asking them to take it down or edit to remove the offending sentence. My comment was quickly deleted (maybe, in part, because I went on waaaaaay to long and offered my personal analysis of the pastor’s publicly documented childhood trauma – yes, not a good idea and maybe slightly fat-headed) – in retrospect I think my comment should have been one sentence asking for an edit of the offensive sentence).

    Anyway, I have sent this around to friends who are appalled at the subject sentence. I have read your site once or twice to help me make some sense of church affiliations 30+ years ago, so I thought I would look for comments here about what I found on 1/1 and also because this makes me mad and I think it is dangerous and I want to “tell” on him.

    So here’s the link to the youtube starting a few minutes before he suggests a woman named
    “Pastor Bianca” might need to be “smoked”? If you think I’m off base here about this being dangerous, let me know.

    https://youtu.be/kyQ4rKGqxJ4?t=4868

    Thanks, NR

  2. Michael says:

    N. Roy,

    A couple of things here.
    X.Ries is a hardcore CC fundamentalist and I find many of his teachings “dangerous” in that they can harm people who follow them.
    As to his words about “Pastor Bianca” she is a disgusting vulgarian in the pulpit and I was offended by the same clip Ries was.
    He expressed surprise that God had not “smoked” her…I would say she’s fortunate that God doesn’t act as he did with Ananias and Sapphira.
    I don’t think he was calling for her to be physically harmed.

  3. McGarrett says:

    I will never understand why Ries says Psychology is humanism. So from the neck down, all is ok for prescription meds, MD’s,etc; in order to sustain life. However, from the neck up, this is “Humanism”? IMO, such ignorance is both insulting, dangerous, as well as cultish. How many people out there suffering from Mental Illness, if they were to see this, would be discouraged, if following such dogma.

  4. Michael says:

    McGarret,

    It is not an exaggeration to say that thousands have been harmed by this teaching in CC’s.
    Thankfully, this old guard is on the way out…

  5. MM says:

    NR

    I went back and watched the video on your link and then watched “Pastor Bianca” and if I didn’t know anything about the scriptures I would choose Bianca over Ries. Why?

    I found Ries to be a very poor teacher who is actually guilty of the very lecture he was giving on the video. Basically he took the tact, I’m right and the rest are wrong and dangerous. That approach is a huge “red flag” and make him very dangerous in the realm of “spiritual abuse.”

    What about Bianca?

    She is a good speaker, actually takes people to the text and did not “scripture byte” like Ries to make her point. She did slip in some crude idioms which would indicate the knowledge of some shady thing in life.

    Is she a great teacher of the Gospel and help people live daily in His Kingdom? Is she a false teacher leading people away from to another Christ? I can’t answer that because I don’t have the patience to sit through any more of her teachings, they are just too shallow.

    Truthfully I wouldn’t spend valuable time listening to either. Life’s too short and there are far better teachers out there.

  6. Em says:

    MM, perhaps we do have an obligation to warn against false teachers, but, in spite of most here thinking i follow false teaching, i totally agree with your last paragraph in your post at 9:53

  7. Michael says:

    Em,

    I don’t think you hold to “false teaching’.
    You believe in a theological construct that I don’t…that’s different, not false.

  8. MM says:

    EM

    “…but, in spite of most here thinking i follow false teaching,…”

    I never sensed/read you heading in some sort odd-ball direction.

  9. Em says:

    Thank you, Michael and MM.. But i am an old fashioned evangelical fundy sort … 😏

  10. N. Roy says:

    The replies here, so far, have calmed me down about it all. Thank you. I forgot that there is a story in the Bible about such things.

    My original comment to the video on youtube about it all was a little off the charts – I didn’t know how much my early experience there effected me. You can’t see it because they shadow-banned me.

    The CC people talk in my ear sometimes and cause me to worry for second. This life of uncertainty and vulnerability here takes daily prayer, as I understand prayer.

    Lastly, and I know this may be controversial but, Richard Rohr and the 12 Steps have kept my attention for years now and much healing has occurred in my life as a result. I think this is how love gets into the world for some of us. I also get so conflicted when I read this link (and it is most likely why I look around at the CC stuff very infrequently). Maybe that is nothing you guys want to discuss or could be a topic for another post or it has all been discussed here in other threads you can point me to:

    https://cac.org/substitutionary-atonement-2019-02-03/

    Thanks again.

    NR

  11. Michael says:

    NR,

    There are many theories of the atonement that fall under the broad umbrella of orthodoxy.
    You don’t have to pick one…study them as your interests at the time lead you.

  12. Jtk says:

    I’ve found a couple of blessings over this Christmas break (for me).

    More privately and personally but two worth mentioning here:

    The Bible project

    And the Elephant Room.

    Michael, can you give me a good synopsis of the Elephant Room and what you think.
    I can’t find your thoughts on it from 2011/2012. Lol. 😂😂

    One take away: How many of these guys have been under attack and/or fallen.

  13. Michael says:

    When they started The Elephant Room series I thought it a good thing…get people from different traditions to share irenically about their differences.
    Looking back on it, I think one of it’s problems was that what they were really doing was talking about diversity in evangelicalism, not the broader Body of Christ.
    Perry Noble and James MacDonald have since bit the dust…Furtick as well.

  14. Em says:

    I’ve posted too much here today, but i have been pondering, does God hate war? When does a peacemaker become an enabler if evil?
    What do we do with Rev. 6:4? Anything? Or do we just maintain the vigil? Growing in Faith and watching. Didn’t Jesus say that he came, mot to bring peace, but a sword? Yet, he said that his kingdom was not of this world or we’d fight!…
    Yet we’re also instructed that, if as a soldier, we’ve found Christ to continue as a good one…..
    All i can conclude is that we are to be peacemakers one on one – not start wars, but to serve if called …
    Am i right or just … pondering . again?

  15. MM says:

    Revelation 6:4 (NAS): And another, a red horse, went out; and to him who sat on it, it was granted to take peace from the earth, and that men would slay one another; and a great sword was given to him.

    EM

    This is better:

    Micah 6:8 (NAS): He has told you, O man, what is good;
    And what does the Lord require of you
    But to do justice, to love kindness,
    And to walk humbly with your God?

    This is our call on this earth, He will take care of the rest.

    BTW those three are quite simple and very comprehensive at the same time. Notice in context where all that worship and sacrifices add up.

    As far as physical war goes. Welcome to be being a tenant of the house we call our world. I believe to do nothing would violate one of not all the three things mentioned above.

  16. Given the fake Jihadist pulling a blue suicide in Europe, I’m skeptical of sleeper cells, 9/11 and Boston notwithstanding, or Ft. Hood, a loner. Or the supposed jihadist working for intel in Oregon back in the day. A coordinated effort across the USA might be devastating, but there’s been no evidence of it the past two decades, besides what cable news and fiction authors try to drum up fear. That said, threats are real, and the “deep state” is doing its job.

  17. WenatcheeTheHatchet says:

    I managed to miss whatever it was that happened to Furtick unless it was the stuff about the expensive housing … ?

    Owing to my skepticism about the franchise I’ve avoided Star Wars episode 9 so far, but Greta Gerwig’s new Little Women adaptation is really fun. Ronan and Pugh in particular are a blast.

  18. I felt like checking my watch the first 3rd of SW9, but I liked how they ended it. I kind of liked the previous movie, and I liked how JJ retconned that postmodernist take. It wasn’t perfect, but satisfying and emotional. Sacrifice and love.

  19. Fluke says:

    Pondering a discussion late last year about the idea of Jesus being an immigrant and or a refugee in Egypt. So looked up the definitions. An immigrant is a person that comes to live permanently in a foreign country. This would not fit Christ as His stay in Egypt was temporary. The Angel through dreams warned Joseph (Mathew Chapter 2) when to leave and when to return.
    A refugee is defined as someone who has been forced to leave their country to escape war, persecution or a natural disaster thus a refugee seems closer with Herod ordering the death of male children two and under.
    Further important to note in the discussion that the wise men opened their treasures they presented gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh to Jesus. Unlike those precious souls seeking a new life in America it would seem logical to assume that Joseph, Mary and Jesus had amble enough funds to sustain themselves in Egypt and probably contributed to the robust tourist industry in Egypt! Happy New Year and may God help us to have compassion for the stranger, widow and fatherless not just in thought but in deed.

  20. Em says:

    FWIW amd food for thought. 😏
    There will be no atheists and no agnostics in hell…. everyone in hell will be a believer…. Adrian Rogers

  21. Em says:

    i like to check the earthquake site USGS daily and i wonder if we just hit a couple sites in Iran… 4.5 & 4.9 near Borazjan – oil fields? oh well, maybe God just gave them a couple good shakings… dunno, do i? 🙂

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