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  1. filbertz says:

    today marks four years since my son Drew took his life. Rarely a day goes by that I don’t think of him and miss him deeply. I grieve his death with an abiding sense of sadness. It does little to chronicle what I’ve learned and understood since his suicide, but one thing I’ll share–grief isn’t a process to complete, but an alteration of our path–one that is lonelier, of more solitude, of deeper emotion. I’d trade all for more time with him, for the opportunity to hash out the struggles and depression, to listen and care. Yet, that is not our reality. Our sense of hope and confidence in the person of Christ, who cared for him more thoroughly than we ever could and welcomed him home the instant this sojourn ended, has deepened and flourished. For that, I am grateful.

  2. Michael says:

    fil,

    A sad anniversary indeed.
    Remembering you and your bride today…

  3. Em says:

    We lost our first son in the month of May also… The hope of heaven sustains us, too… Thank God for that realty, filbertz
    God keep you and yours

  4. Mike Ehrmantrout says:

    Fil-So very sorry for such a deep and painful loss that brings a suffering most people will never know. May our Lord grant you and all your family great and awesome grace as you remember your beloved son.

    Em-And same to you, dear sister. I cannot even imagine the pain of losing a child. May our Lord grant you peace and mercy in the midst of your grief.

    To you both–words are so inadequate..mine are weak but heartfelt.

  5. Em says:

    Mike before we lost Robbie i would have said, “God would never do that. He knows that i’d never survive.” I way underestimated the power of His grace and sufficiency … His ability to make His love felt.. But filbertz is correct a part you dies or perhaps enters heaven (Paradise) ahead of you?

  6. Jean says:

    Question for the house:

    Does the coronavirus disappear (as has been prophesied) if government suppresses mortality data and/or prevents public health officials from speaking and testifying publicly about it?

  7. Em says:

    Jean, with respect due…. That makes no sense…. πŸ™†

  8. Jean says:

    Agree Em. I hope you and others will convey your response to our elected officials.

  9. Everstudy says:

    Jean,

    I think it’s easier if you just said Orange Man bad.

    It means the same.

  10. Jean says:

    Everstudy,

    We are entering a period when all Americans will be invited to make choices about how, where and with whom they engage in the economy and in churches and at private gatherings. I believe in order to make informed decision, we need to insist on full transparency regarding what we are walking into.

    We’ve been fighting that battle in other arenas for years, such as food labeling and what is coming out of smoke stacks and run off from factories for years. It’s basically the same issue. And the government is resorting to the same playbook.

    I just hope that at some point, Americans will insist on the truth, rather than hoping in unicorns.

  11. Em says:

    Jean, you are making the case for returning to local government, to states’ rights
    I will however, go out right now and yell at my fir and pine trees to write to our elected ( so called elected) officials… then i will yell at the pickup trucks speeding past with their off road motorcycles in back heading for our scenic trails to tear them up and pollute the quiet with noise and stink…
    OR i can concentrate on what i read in Ephesians 4 this morning….. sigh…. we do live in chaos of our own manufacture..
    God keep

  12. bob1 says:

    Orange Man bad.

    You mean “Flush the Txrd on November Third?”

  13. Em says:

    Try as i may, i can’t see old Joe as up for the job. .
    Wanna run… bob1?

  14. Michael says:

    I have come to the conclusion that there is no sense in having having these discussions.
    People will believe whatever suits them, whether there is anything factual to support their thinking or not.
    Facts are for sissies and socialists and the Lord knows there is nothing more abominable.
    Actually, one of the Lords knows that and one must acknowledge the different Lords if one is going to comprehend how the Great Experiment ended in a contest between spray tans and dementia.
    One Lord sent the virus because of abortion and godless liberals, another tore out our lungs because of kids in cages and greedy capitalists.
    These Lords are at war and their followers will take up arms against each other for the cause.
    I will wear a mask and sit by the river with my kin.
    I will ponder why a pandemic that killed as many as Vietnam in a couple of months is not a threat, but people fleeing violence and poverty were.
    I will not ponder long as I really don’t give a damn anymore.
    Let us pray that we do not run out of pork.

  15. Em says:

    As the risk of platitudinity (😏) if we are emotionally involved in this world, we need to refocus…. that said, though, we do have to live here. – now….
    A contest between spray tans and dementia… LOL thanks for e chuckle…
    Truth be told, we don’t really know who will be on the ballot come November… twill be interesting.. . Maybe bob1 😯

    Now i am going to see if i can turn a blind eye to this political dance…. sigh

  16. We’ll be at 125k dead by the end of the month if it progresses linearly which it won’t, so likely more like 150k. The protests may be of more concern. Even in Cali, the pushback against the government is growing. The Logan’s Run attitude makes me sad. I talked to my buddy in Wisconsin today. He said that we weren’t seeing the millions dead as predicted. I replied, “because of the shutdowns, and how would things be if it got to that point? The point was not to get too that point.” He’s seen a lot more than I ever will, going back to his first deployment in Kosovo, but this is the here and now. I’m not under the illusion that I might feel differently if I were to lose my job. On the street, this cuts across party lines.

  17. Michael says:

    Here in Southern Oregon the shutdown is about to be shut down, one way or another.
    Because we do not have enough bodies in the morgue, this pandemic was obviously a plot by the Chinese and our liberal dyke governor to ruin the common man.
    I thought I would recoup after my health scare and go up to woods yesterday.
    There is small barbecue place on the road side and Trey and I would get a bite and go down a back trail to the river.
    There would be few, if any people there.
    We arrived to the sight of 50 Harleys and riders .
    They were loudly proclaiming their rights and freedoms…”we love Donald Trump!”
    I barely got my hand over the kids mouth before he wrote a verbal check we had no chance of cashing…
    People are angry here…really angry.
    They are making life hell for “essential workers” who weren’t fortunate enough to be laid off and make twice as much as they are working and being abused.
    The chicken was prepared well and the food was good, even if the sides were from Resers.
    I like their potato salad…
    Things will be forced back open and we’ll use the death toll to decide who was righteous among us.

  18. I’ve been monitoring protests in Orange County (vs. The governor) about beach closures. The sherrif in Humboldt County, much closer to you, has said that he won’t enforce closures. Of concern to all is the new zero $ bail policy (write a ticket and release for crimes which would normally end in arrests). Sheriffs are making their displeasure known on social media. Even the San Jose police chief, normally “liberal” whatever that means these days, has done so. The civilian protesters get attention, but when law enforcement is kind of joining in, nothing is good.

  19. Michael says:

    Law enforcement up here know that if it gets ugly they’re outgunned a hundred to one…

  20. If it comes to that, it’s all over… the protests in Michigan and elsewhere are not surprising. Here, it is. I saw photos of the Sacramento protests.

    I’m called back to work next week. They’re splitting our group on shifts 7-1 and 1-7PM, like the movie Ladyhawke. I’m glad to go back. I’m conflicted, but I’m still being paid. If I were laid off? I can’t help but sympathize with millions who’ve lost incomes.

  21. bob1 says:

    Yes, it matters deeply right now who you believe and follow. In some situations, literally life and death.

    https://apnews.com/3287934e9316b008e2a6c7735b7b01df

  22. Michael says:

    I sympathize with everyone affected…and the effects go on and on.Still, we’re about two weeks away from shots being fired here….

  23. Jean says:

    “Let us pray that we do not run out of pork.”

    Michael, I think your prayer is being answered. I understand last week the President signed an order, directing meat processing plants to reopen. In my State, a huge pork producer, the Governor warned our citizens that if your employer recalls you to work, and you refuse to go back because you are concerned that the workplace is unsafe, you can lose your unemployment insurance. So its looking up on the pork front here.

  24. Mike Ehrmantrout says:

    “I have come to the conclusion that there is no sense in having having these discussions.”
    I’ve come to the same conclusion. At least on one level. The worldly (READ, POLITICAL) level. Our American people are being divided and being subject to conquest by the lord of evil and his servants. That is why there is so much confusion and the truth..the real, God known truth..cannot be discerned by the majority of the populace. On either side. Dark days indeed. It’s not ok..we as believers in the Messiah are responsible before His and our Father to walk in His truth. He said we could recognize the truth by if the spirits acknowledge the SON (1John 4).. ..truly acknowledge..not just with lip service and platitudes, but by bearing fruit rooted in His Holy Spirit. What TRUTH did The Messiah reveal to us? How can we recognize false from true? Matt 7:16-20, “By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.”
    He’s really told us all we need to know…He is NOT the author of confusion! Are we listening? To Him? Or to the spirit of antichrist?

  25. Michael says:

    Jean,

    I will rest easier today knowing that sausage shortages will be brief.
    Sometimes people need a little nudge to do what is right when it comes to my preferred breakfast meats.
    They say that most of them will recover…unless they don’t.

  26. Michael says:

    Mike,

    The Christian faith is grounded in sacrificial love leading to death, believing in resurrection.
    It is to be practiced in opposition to the ways of the world.
    It has become like searching for a rare bird…

  27. Mike Ehrmantrout says:

    Michael…a rare bird indeed..but, thankfully, not an extinct one! πŸ˜‰

  28. Jean says:

    Every right given to you reduces your neighbor’s rights. Is the quest for rights the be all and end all of human flourishing?

  29. Em says:

    “Every right given to you reduces your neighbor’s rights.”
    That is not true – think on it a bit ? ? ? πŸ™†

  30. Jean says:

    Em, I wrote that in the hope that you and others would think on that a bit.

  31. bob1 says:

    Jean,

    So…you can’t yell “fire” in a crowded theatre? (I suppose theoretically you could, but you’re sure as
    hell hampering patrons from saving their lives, not to mention inviting potential lawsuits!)

    And. “Your liberty to swing your fist ends just where my nose begins?

    Are those kind of things what you’re driving at?

  32. bob1 says:

    Jean,

    Thank you for posting the message from President Bush. It was perfect
    for what everyone’s going through.

  33. Em says:

    Well… Some rights ARE negated when they impinge on another’s rights – the fist and nose thing, playing my bugle in my backyard at 2AM – but most such examples are not the normal exercise of rights…… IMNSHO, of course. πŸ˜‡

  34. Michael. Are there specific targets that people are mentioning/blaming/etc, in OR or is it just that some are restless in general, and talking about defending freedom?

  35. Michael says:

    There is legitimate frustration from small business owners and those who have been buried in the avalanche of unemployment applications and haven’t received benefits.

    I also think there is legit frustration that all our parks are closed…we are an outdoor people .

    The “freedom fighters’ are stirring all that together for their ends.

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