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  1. Dan from Georgia says:

    Praise report: behind the backyard fence of our house is a bunch of debris that we didn’t know how it got there, or how to get rid of it. Today I heard some noises outside and went out there to see if someone was putting more debris behind our yard. Turns out our neighbor was back there clearing debris from behind his backyard (which he didn’t know how it got there as well). We got to talking and he said that he would take care of the debris from behind our house as well!

  2. Your John MacArthur and since it’s Friday, your finishing up your sermon draft. Are you really excited about being inclosed with a few thousand congregants on Sunday?

  3. Xenia says:

    I suggest he open up all the windows and doors. I am unfamiliar with his church. A lot of modern church buildings have no windows because the light interferes with the screens up front. But if he’s gonna do this, I hope he at least insures people space themselves in the pews and make use of whatever they have in the way of ventilation. If he says “y’all come” and they cram into the pews and don’t have any windows to open then I think he’s making a big mistake. But may God protect them.

  4. Em says:

    I’ve visited MavcAtthur’s church (sorry 😇 ) – pretty big and i don’t recall any windows, but if he doesn’t have a parking lot any more… ? ? ?
    Keep taking your vitamin D3 (needs some fat to assimilate-) – BTW as “they” are expecting another outbreak this fall

  5. Jean says:

    Why is “they” in quotation marks?

  6. graceface says:

    May I request prayer for freedom and healing for a friend?

    He really has such trauma from years of spiritual abuse. Spiritual Stockholm Syndrome…blaming himself and idolizing the abusers/not even able to see that it was abusive and unbiblical.

    My heart breaks for him! He left that church, where he was on staff for a quarter of a century, but is just ailing.

    I could tell pages of Moses Model heavy shepherding abuses from the CC affiliate he was at (I was lightly involved for a few years, and that was traumatic enough!), but I’d rather use this space to ask for serious intercession for our shattered brother.

    Thank you!

  7. Em says:

    Jean, I’m not sure who they are… ? CDC? Dunno

  8. Em says:

    Prayer worth praying, gracef’

  9. Dan from Georgia says:

    Praying grace

  10. Dan from Georgia says:

    Em and Jean,

    Wondering if “they” is the generic term we use for experts in a field currently being discussed. For example, when talking to a neighbor about the weather, we say “they say we are going to have a cold winter this year.” Or, if you are geeking out with a fellow techie, one may say “they are coming up with some new device that locks a steering column.”remotely”.

  11. Em says:

    Dan frpm GA. … Yep… 😉

  12. They=The Stonecutters, of course.

  13. Pineapple Head says:

    I was a member of Grace from 1983-84. Amazing how different I am today.

  14. Jean says:

    Several months ago, near the beginning of the pandemic, a Tuesday “Links” included an article (I believe it was First Things) of a Letter written by Martin Luther in 1527 when the Black Plague had re-appeared in parts of Germany, titled, Whether One may Flee From a Deadly Plague.

    In view of current events I re-read it and, since we are receiving mixed messages from our leaders and various other influencers, regarding what we should or should not be doing at this time, I thought I would share the following excerpt from Luther’s letter:

    “Others sin on the right hand. They are much too rash and reckless, tempting God and disregarding everything which might counteract death and the plague. They disdain the use of medicines; they do not avoid places and persons infected by the plague, but lightheartedly make sport of it and wish to prove how independent they are. They say that it is God’s punishment; if he wants to protect them he can do so without medicines or our carefulness. This is not trusting God but tempting him. God has created medicines and provided us with intelligence to guard and take good care of the body so that we can live in good health. If one makes no use of intelligence or medicine when he could do so without detriment to his neighbor, such a person injures his body and must beware lest he become a suicide in God’s eyes. By the same reasoning a person might forego eating and drinking, clothing and shelter, and boldly proclaim his faith that if God wanted to preserve him from starvation and cold, he could do so without food and clothing. Actually that would be suicide. It is even more shameful for a person to pay no heed to his own body and to fail to protect it against the plague the best he is able, and then to infect and poison others who might have remained alive if he had taken care of his body as he should have. He is thus responsible before God for his neighbor’s death and is a murderer many times over.” – Martin Luther, 1527

  15. Xenia says:

    Others sin on the right hand….<<<

    That's half of what Luther said. What was the other half?

    But I am on the side of masks, keeping the six feet apart, and avoiding groups. We get curbside groceries. We canceled our family Thanksgiving dinner this year. 14 people going in and out of our small house, bringing home their friends and who knows what all…. Nope. And all us crammed around the kitchen table? Not this year.

    A church that observes the proper social distancing rules is ok in my book.

  16. Xenia says:

    I think the situation in Washington DC shows what happens if people are too cavalier.

    It’s the American motto; “Ain’t nobody gonna tell ME what to do.”

    That’s what our country was founded on! Sometimes it’s for the good, sometimes it turns out bad.

  17. Jean says:

    Xenia,

    The sin on the left hand is to abandon our service to our neighbors in a time of plague out of fear. The letter is relatively long, but I think very worth one’s consideration, because we don’t have a lot of contemporary theology on how a Christian should navigate an epidemic, plague or pandemic. In the link below, there is an embedded link to Luther’s letter.

    https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2020/03/christian-life-in-plague-time

    What you call, “bad” is what you seen in Washington. However, super spreader events have happened numerous times in our country because of the example set by the POTUS being what you call “cavalier.” In my opinion, when a President is cavalier about a deadly disease to his loyal followers, it’s criminal.

  18. Em says:

    Actually Trump did wear a mask a great deal of the time AND my understanding is that the mask protects others from you, not the other way around…. The N95 might be different, but wearing it feels like you are smothering…. But……
    does seem to be much confusion, though… Too much for a first world nation…. 🙆

  19. Nancy Holmes says:

    Em

    I am curious what your source of information is re: the President wearing a mask “a great deal of the time.”

  20. Em says:

    Well, Nancy, i heard him say that he did and while i know many think he is a liar, i don’t, but he does exaggerate, so i guess it is a matter of choice – to believe him or not…. I also heard him say that occasionally crowds did push in when his face wasn’t covered, but he didn’t want to rebuff them, so …. who knows where he was infected? I just pray that it wasn’t a deliberate move on anyone’s part…..
    There is a contingent, no names, attached to the Democratic party today that i would not trust… probably some Republicans, too… Politicians ate devious people, i think

  21. Anon says:

    I just pray that it wasn’t a deliberate move on anyone’s part…..

    No, it was a move, though I’m sure not deliberate, on Trump’s part.

    He wasn’t very bright and didn’t wear a mask when he was with others. His actions are responsible for what happened. Just like the rest of us adults.

    He’s also lied 20K times per the Washington Post.

    Facts are stubborn things.

    It’s that simple.

    Everything else is fake news.

  22. Em says:

    20,000 lies? That’s alotta lies, Anon. 🙆
    Facts ARE facts, but it’s not always “simple,” A non
    not always simple…..

    God keep us all and give us wisdom

  23. Jean says:

    I think I’ve finally learned the origin and true meaning of the term “spin doctor.”

  24. Em says:

    You’ve met the Clintons, Jean? 😏

    Today…. Sunday… A good day to concentrate on and grow in the Lord… in The Faith

    Lots to pray for…. Good day to gain (God’s) wisdon – the principle thing

  25. MM says:

    Anon

    You really need to read the facts on masks. First of all they aren’t to prevent the wearer from getting or being exposed to the virus. This is a FACT and is all over the internet from the CDC to the WHO. The masks slow the aerosol mist of those who HAVE the COVID or any other virus and limit the distance they travel. It also reminds the wearer to keep a distance and use proper hygiene methods.

    The FACT is President Trump got COVID because he was exposed to another person or surface who had the virus. So let’s quit telling lies about the masks please.

    Next item, did you ever actually listen to or check out the “20K of lies” (not to mention you say without FACTs he is “not very bright”) you just gossiped about over the internet?

    The answer is probably NO, and that makes you culpable of possibly perpetuating and extending gossip and lies about another human being. Doesn’t matter if it’s Trump, Biden or your neighbor down the street, such behavior is wrong and contrary to God’s instructions.

    It’s a very sad state we live in and Christians seem “hell bent” on contributing to it.

  26. MM says:

    I am going to add this, the President of the United States job is to NOT hide in the White House, the basement or behind some door. It doesn’t matter who is in the office, he (or possible she) is always exposed to higher risks and these days that includes COVID.

    He must be available and represents the continuity of our Government to the Nation and World.

    Now you all can argue about how the POTUS should act and what being “Presidential” should look like. I my voting lifetime only two Presidents, in my opinion, have truly acted “Presidential” to the public, Carter and Obama. Ironically I did not vote for either.

    This vitriol hate campaign against our leaders (Democrats and Republicans) has to end and maybe it should begin with those who call themselves “Christians” and or followers of Jesus Christ.

  27. Anon says:

    Look in the mirror before you point your fingers.

  28. Jean says:

    Where ever the President travels, his rules prevail. When he doesn’t wear a mask or require those around him to wear a mask, he is grossly negligent or reckless, and is culpable for the at least 12 infections and counting, plus his own, because he rejected the advice of those called to advise him and the country regarding the pandemic.

    “the President of the United States job is NOT hide in the White House” is a straw man and insult to the readers here. Is holding events with social distancing and mask wearing “hiding?” By the way, is compelling the Secret Service to drive you around in an SUV for a photo op while admitted to the hospital with Covid presidential?

    The President’s conduct this last week has actually reinforced what many of the President’s opponents and other observers have known for quite sometime: He doesn’t give a rip about anyone but himself, and there may not be anyone he wouldn’t sacrifice for his own self-promotion. He’s an idol to many, and he has set himself up as an antichrist.

    Trump has made our country a laughing stock. We are in the same league with the President of Brazil. How does that comparison feel?

    His denial and science is actually the mocking and contempt of God. God sent the pandemic. Trump’s behavior has mocked not just the virus but God himself. He probably murdered Herman Cain and we will see whether any of his latest sacrifices (12 and counting) survive or perish at his beck and call.

    In case any readers take solace in Trump’s recovery and apply that to themselves, note that you don’t have 12 doctors and unlimited drugs and resources devoted 24/7 to your case.

  29. Michael says:

    He’s lied hundreds of times just about border issues and migrants…

  30. Anon says:

    Just this afternoon, our Dear Leader decided to go for a ride in a hermetically sealed Secret Service car. In a few weeks, this guy won’t be able to be a showman anymore.

    Guess who’s at risk in a car like with someone who’s got the live virus?

    You guessed it — the poor Secret Service folks.

    For shame.

  31. MM says:

    Anon

    “Look in the mirror before you point your fingers.”

    I do so every day and ask if I’ve done the these things. The answer is yes and repentance follows.

    You keep spreading the internet gossip.

    You also realize the Secret Service have a sworn duty to protect the President, which may include costing them their lives? Of course you knew that and yet you throw filth at the President (really doesn’t matter what his or her name is).

    BTW he is in know way an “idol” to me. What is at stake here is your respect for the office and doing your duty to follow God’s instructions.

    Did you ever notice in the New Testament Jesus never personally attacks the Government of the day? But I’m sure you have noticed that and want to follow His instructions.

    Again this isn’t about defending the person of Trump, Biden or any other political figure, it’s about being His. But I’m sure you already get that.

    Yes this election cycle has brought out the evil (satan) in all of of us. Let’s make a change why don’t we???

  32. MM says:

    Jean

    “In case any readers take solace in Trump’s recovery and apply that to themselves, note that you don’t have 12 doctors and unlimited drugs and resources devoted 24/7 to your case.”

    Again, does it really matter who the President is? No it does not! They all have access to the finest medical care, diagnosis, and prevention offered in the world. I would expect nothing less, would you?

    Can you make any more direct baseless innuendos about the people who support Donald Trump, the man?

    As Anon wrote,
    “For Shame!”

  33. Michael says:

    “What is at stake here is your respect for the office… .”
    That’s a point I’ve wrestled with.
    My conclusion is that if this sort of person can fill the office it may no longer be worthy of respect.
    I may be wrong…

  34. MM says:

    From ancient sages, maybe we can hear what they are saying:

    “Evil gossip kills three: the one who says it, the one who listens, and the subject of the gossip”

    “Speaking about another’s indiscretion or shortcoming is even worse; this is called lashon hara (the evil tongue). Unfounded libelous gossip (motzi shem ra) is even worse.”

    May we bring life to others!

  35. MM says:

    Michael:

    We need to fight the evil of the policies, laws and directions of our leaders. While many feel assignation (character or otherwise) will solve their problems or bring personal relief all it does is kill each of us.

    This is the heart of everything I’ve written.

    Don’t feed the satan in each of us.

    BTW, there is a never end string of mens and women willing and ready to fill the void of every perceived tyrant.

  36. Michael says:

    I’m not trying to solve any problems or find personal relief.
    I think this man is evil.
    The church has a responsibility to speak truth to power and about the powers that be.
    I won’t call bad good to satisfy a religious spirit.

  37. Jean says:

    “every perceived tyrant”.

    You really don’t get it. You think Trump is only perceived as a tyrant. It wouldn’t matter if someone listed his overreach and corruption of the office, so to you it’s only perceived.

    See, here is what some of us Christian’s have been saying: Just because someone is getting their way from a leader right now or in the short term, doesn’t mean the leader is not a tyrant. Tyrants have lots of supporters. It’s only when the tyranny is pointed at you that most people object.

    I am confident that the long term damage from tyranny will be felt by all sides, and thus I am against it from either side. As I have said before, that should the Lord be merciful and remove Trump from office via the election next month, my prayer would be that separation and balance of powers would be restored. It is in my opinion very harmful to our country to seed so much power to one branch, in this case the Executive.

    When Clinton was President, Congress was strong and the two branches worked together to give us our last budget surpluses. Today we have a Congress, which under Trump pre-Covid was running trillion dollar deficits. Today the Executive Order is legislating like the President is a king. We are eroding the foundation of our democratic republic and its institutions with this President and it should stop ASAP.

  38. bob1 says:

    We are eroding the foundation of our democratic republic and its institutions with this President and it should stop ASAP.

    Jean,

    It will, officially, in just over 4 weeks.

    In the meantime, there’s already a lot of change in the air.

  39. MM says:

    Jean

    You, in your passion are wrong, I fully “get it.”

    Michael,

    No I have not implied or said Trump wasn’t evil and I have not written anything about, Biden, Harris or Pelosi either and that has been on purpose..

    What I am writing is evil and satan are in the attitudes and open vitriol hatred expressed by so many who call themselves Christians. We fight the ideas and promote his love.

    I’m having real trouble seeing it here when politics rise up.

  40. Nancy Holmes says:

    I believe that true love holds others accountable. In the Old Testament God is very passionate both about His great love for His people and His great anger for their sins. It is certainly idealistic to try to keep religious faith and politics separate but I do not believe that it is realistic. God wasn’t very polite about His anger and I don’t think He is nowadays either.

    Whatever unity actually means, I do not believe that it means sweeping corruption under the carpet and pretending that “unity” is more important than speaking truth.

  41. Em says:

    Nancy’s @ 6:10
    Good words to ponder……

  42. bob1 says:

    At the Amy Coney Barrett superspreader event last weekend, there were 11 of Trump’s court evangelicals who attended.

    Not one wore a mask.

    John Hagee has also tested positive.

  43. Xenia says:

    John Hagee is elderly and very overweight. He is in for a bad time. May the Lord have mercy on him.

  44. bob1 says:

    I agree, Xenia.

    Probably won’t turn out well for him. But we can pray.

  45. How/where can I find the answer to my original question?

  46. Bride of Christ says:

    I just wanted to tell Jean, that I do appreciate what you are trying to communicate. It’s difficult when everyone ” piles on” a commenter. It is also difficult for us to moderate strong emotions in the midst of such turbulent times. I agree with your comment that basically said, ” I teach my children to respect unborn life in the womb; I don’t need a law to enforce it”. I raised two very wonderful children and this is my thinking exactly! I also taught them that adultery is wrong. My mother-in-law gave a book by Daphne DeMaurier which featured an adulterous woman as a main character when my daughter was 15. I didn’t usually confront my mother-in-law about anything, but I did tell her that I didn’t want mg daughter reading books that condoned adultery. But do I want a law passed making adultery against the law? NO, of course I don’t! Teach your children well and they will make you proud. I am an educator with 30 years of teachng experience, and I repeat; teach your children well. It is your responsibility and your joy.

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