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  1. bob1 says:

    Kudos to Mitt Romney.

    He’s proposed a plan of monthly payments to parents.

    It would slash our country’s child poverty rate in half.

    One analysis I read says it’s even better than the one President Biden is proposing.

    https://www.abc4.com/news/politics/romney-proposes-monthly-payments-to-parents-to-slash-child-poverty-rate/

  2. Mike E. says:

    Thank you Bob1…

    As someone who many might describe as very liberal, I’ve been thinking a little about some current Republicans I admire, at least that I have a measure of respect for. I’ve been thinking about former vice president Mike Pence. Unfortunately Mr. Pence initially went along with Trump’s “big lie” of losing the election due to fraud. I considered him very wrong to have done that.

    However, when the time came and he was faced with the choice of following his oath to the Constitution rather than following Trump, Pence chose to honor his oath. And he did so at considerable risk both politically and physically. His life was in danger. He still chose to do what was right. I am thankful to God for that. And I think he deserves respect for that.

    Of course Senator Romney is another who has consistently stood for the truth and against Mr. Trump’s nonsense. Then there is Liz Cheney. I probably disagree with her 99.9% of the time. But she also has demonstrated character and is deserving of respect.

    There are others. I could go on. I think it’s important for those of us who have very strong political opinions to recognize when people who disagree with us do that which is good and right. All three of those I mentioned have exhibited not only character but courage as well. I thank God for such people.

    I am wondering if anyone here who considers themselves very conservative have any examples of folks from the other side who have done something they consider praiseworthy or someone on the left they respect.

  3. Em says:

    Mike, you asked…..
    There is Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia. 😇

  4. Nathan Priddis says:

    Joseph.
    He instituted a 20% tax surcharge. A civil works project. And direct food aid to the gwneral population.
    Socialism.

  5. bob1 says:

    Mike E,

    Very well put!

    I don’t think it matters what label we use. If someone takes a stand that’s courageous and virtuous; like you, I believe we should note and honor that.

  6. bob1 says:

    Em,

    Is there anything specific about Manchin that you find praiseworthy? Besides the fact that he’s a conservative Democrat?

  7. Jerod says:

    Every one of these politicians is playing you all from both sides and you cheer them for their graft … 🤩

    You are as Von Mises says, “Useful innocents”. That’s why they say, “It’s like taking candy from a baby.”

  8. The New Victor says:

    Kudos to Romney for proposing a plan that logically tries to bypass the poverty trap. But I initially bristle… I grew up from 12 to 17 basically homeless. In retrospect thinking back to the 70s, my mom mismanaged money. Later in life, we tried to dissuade her from “get rich” schemes, but she’d pay $5k to learn to trade commodities while not paying her property taxes, and get angry when we cautioned.

    I started doing odd jobs for cash when I was 14, but my mom’s friends didn’t look for work,satisfied on the welfare for their kids who were my age. They survived, living 8n a converted bus on the welfare they got from minors, not having to look for any work. We hung out with poor people and though the poverty mindset was studied by anthropologists, it was deemed “mean” long before cancel culture. I saw it first hand.

    I’m not sure how I’d address this as a politician. I also know that I and others enabled my mom’s poverty mindset with effort and money for many years, rescuing from natural and logical consequences.

  9. bob1 says:

    Von Mises 1

    Jesus zip

  10. Jean says:

    “I’m not sure how I’d address this as a politician.”

    That’s a humble and truthful answer to a complicated question.

    I too do not claim the ultimate answers. But I would promote two principles that should overarch the fight against poverty:

    Every citizen should have food, shelter and healthcare security in this country.

    Every child should have equitable, affordable access to a high quality education, K – university.

  11. Em says:

    Read the article in Time magazine regarding the election – lauding how the corporations, left leaning activist groups and the media “saved democracy” from the right. Nice word, “right.”

    bob1, Joe Manchin doesn’t always s jump when Schumer and Pelosi tell him to ….

  12. Em says:

    @ 5 :33
    Education, yes. But only to the levrl of their mental capacities. University for all? NO!

  13. Michael says:

    I’ve read that Time article multiple times now…It was a bipartisan effort to keep Trump from using lies and demagoguery to steal the election.
    Thank God they did.

  14. Em says:

    regarding my 9:20….
    If my link attempt works….

    https://youtu.be/5ZKyCxhzlsM

    Perhaps, if i succeed with the link, it will be decided to remove this post? That’s okay…
    God keep

  15. Em says:

    Well it’s taken down or i goofed – sorry

  16. Michael says:

    Looks like Youtube removed it.

  17. Em says:

    Michael, okay, then … Feel free to remove my non functioning link… 🙆
    Not sure i can accept election manipulation… Maybe they all are? Dunno
    God keep

  18. Michael says:

    None of us should accept it.
    However, it needs to be proven…and so far there is no proof that this one was.

  19. Though I don’t believe I lack compassion (I do volunteer for a rescue mission), I am big on people taking as much responsibility as they can. In fact, I feel like I can go all in as a volunteer is because of the mission’s purpose statement: “Partnering with the Inland Northwest to reach the poor with the love and power of the gospel so they may become God-dependent, contributing members of society.” Participants enter an 18 month program that equips people spiritually, relationally, emotionally and vocationally.

    Programs that take away the incentive to contribute societally seem ruinous in the long run. Paul wrote about a man not eating if he didn’t work. Granted, it sometimes takes a lot of program and hand-holds to help a person. A few years ago a book came out called “When Helping Hurts.” A tough read because sometimes our ideas of helping actually keep a person from being all God intended them to be.

    Something tells me that having government throw money to its citizens isn’t going to makes us develop more grit, virtue or compassion.

  20. Michael says:

    PH,
    I don’t think it’s that simple.
    I know people who work like dogs, but barely make enough to survive.
    Even a minor illness puts them at risk of homelessness.
    Our system is broken.
    When I was a young man I made more than a living wage selling appliances and electronics.
    We made commission and I made a lot of it.
    Now, those are minimum wage jobs and all things are tied to stock prices.
    There is a generational poverty issue as Victor pointed out…but I would suggest we have larger issues than that.

  21. Em says:

    In the turmoil we’re experiencing will the Christian endorsement of Trump cause a backlash of hostility toward the Church?

  22. Michael says:

    Em,

    That’s an understatement.
    It is a backlash against the part of the church that supported him…the rest of the church found other ways to commit spiritual suicide.

  23. filbertz says:

    my understanding was that Romney’s proposal was to spread out the once-a-year tax credit/refund that people in poverty with children received would be spread out evenly over the months making the money more available for rent, food, clothing, transportation, etc. I would be supportive of that shift as it creates a more even stream of finances without changing the ultimate outlay. Of course, I may have heard it incorrectly…

  24. Jean says:

    “bob1, Joe Manchin doesn’t always s jump when Schumer and Pelosi tell him to ….”

    I’m not aware of Schumer or Pelosi telling anyone to jump.

    But what I am aware of is that the vast majority of Republican congressmen and women could not muster the independence of mind to remove a Republican colleague who questioned whether a plane actually crashed into the Pentagon on 9/11, said the Clintons murdered one of the Kennedy’s, said a Parkland massacre survivor was a paid actor, said the Democratic Party was running a human-trafficking and pedophilia ring, and several other idiotic lies. They couldn’t do this because, as Senator Ben Sasse, remarked, they are involved in a kind of weird worship of a dude.

    I would ask my conservative friends to mind your own house before offering opinions about the Democrats. The Republican party right now is beholden to not only an idol in the past President, but has forsaken a commitment to seek truth itself. It harbors, defends, gives comfort to and traffics in the worst lies, conspiracy theories, totally detached from reality; and not only that but tolerates and/or promotes white supremacy, neo-nazis and fascists.

    If anyone thinks I am lying or are in error, the flags of the aforementioned groups are featured in the pictures of the January 20th insurrection. This is is the same group who came to Washington at the request of the former President.

    There was a Catholic priest at the insurrection. He was wearing his collar. That means he was there representing his god. If you’re wondering about backlash, IMO he disgraced his church. If he would have went as joe blow citizen, I could just say he disgraced himself. But he went in uniform. Thus, he wasn’t there as joe blow citizen, but as Father So and So.

  25. Pineapple Head says:

    Michael, I agree the system is broken. It is bloated, convoluted and corrupt. There isn’t enough virtue within our politicians to make it functional.

  26. bob1 says:

    In my neighborhood, there was a Catholic priest who apparently, after the election and before inauguration, was livestreaming exorcisms with individuals, related to election fraud.

    He has been reassigned by the local diocese.

  27. Bride of Christ says:

    Bob1, Yikes!

  28. Pineapple Head says:

    Addendum to my 12:16: There’s not enough virtue among our citizenry as well.

  29. Em says:

    Onde thing that was left out of the litany of cuckoo assertions by Representative Greene was that she acknowledged them as past opinions that time and information caused her to no longer believe…..

  30. Jean says:

    Also left out was the apology for spreading the cuckoo assertions, acknowledgement the Biden won. She owes Clinton an apology, the Democrats an apology, Hogg an apology, her constituents an apology, and the armed forces an apology.

    It’s not enough to say she no longer believes the lies. And by the way, should someone so easily deceived by absolute lunacy deserve a seat in Congress or a committee assignment?

  31. Em says:

    Apologies, hmmm… Is believing the stories grounds for apologies? Could be… thinking…..
    I recall thinking a great President would be the man who said, “Eggheads arise! Cast off your yolks (yokes) and… ” Can’t remember the rest or his name
    Does older and wiser count for anything? 🙆

  32. Jean says:

    Em,

    Taylor did not just believe lies, she literally ran on them. She spread them at campaign events and in interviews. She confronted a teenage boy and called him a puppet.

  33. PM says:

    She has no excuse for believing conspiracy theories as listed. Her apology wasn’t. That she was elected says much about those who elected her. That she wasn’t banished to the furthest corner of her room says much about her colleagues, and their spinelessness.

    From a conservative, and a teetering republican.

    Regarding David French…his writings on Dispatch have been quite helpful for me…a voice in the political wilderness.

  34. Dan from Georgia says:

    Being a resident of Georgia, it is disturbing having Greene in government.

    Being a non-native (i.e., a transplant from yonder far), it says to me there is some horrible thinking going on here in Georgia and makes me want to leave.

  35. Em says:

    Rapid City, South Dakota looks interesting…. heard spme Wyomingites are looking that direction…. wouldn’t it be strange if these United States became disunited via migration?
    Would it be east west or north south east west?

  36. Mike E. says:

    Regarding poverty in America. I agree with Michael our economic system with regard to the underclass is woefully broken. Not only a repair, but a complete overhaul is necessary. I’ll say this: The U.S., in my opinion, should move toward a democratic socialist system of government, and emulate much of Europe and the Western World. These are functioning democracies that use the public purse for the general welfare of all citizens. It may stoke some passions. Just the term, “socialism,” seems to strike such fear into the American heart and psyche. Unfortunately, her pride will probably not allow her to embrace democratic socialism. Which is sad, in my view.

  37. Em says:

    @4 pm
    Politician was Adlai Stevenson (D) ran against General Eisenhower, if memory serves….
    As a H.S. senior i thought word-smiths were of the highest order…. I don’t think that any more… 😒

  38. Muff Potter says:

    “Something tells me that having government throw money to its citizens isn’t going to makes us develop more grit, virtue or compassion.”

    Something tells me that allowing Wall Street to destroy our manufacturing base by moving it offshore ain’t a good idea either.

  39. I can agree with you on that, Muff. Our faulty systems are many.

  40. The New Victor says:

    USA manufacturing output is still 2nd in the world. Jobs peaked in 1979… and the economy wasn’t doing too well. Productivity gains explain most of it. My large tech company wouldn’t have been allowed by China to take over my old company if they didn’t invest a certain amount of money there which translated to jobs. That market is also higher than North America, as much as we think of ourselves as the center of the universe in many ways. I once asked my Vietnamese boss if he thought western companies were taking unfair advantage of Vietnam. He looked at me like I was crazy and replied, “what are you talking about? Then those people wouldn’t have jobs.” This is a multi faceted issue and Trump appealed to many wrong views.

  41. bob1 says:

    This is n important and stirring piece by a black Evangelical. Everyone should take it in. IMHO.

    Highlights:

    Let me say this clearly so that even those in the back can hear: White Evangelicals do not own the market on American Christianity. Despite the amplification of their voices loudly and persistently above all others.

    I am a black Evangelical. I am not a unicorn; despite seeming lack of evidence in the public landscape, we do exist. In fact, according to Reuters, 61 percent of black Americans identify as Evangelical—a much higher percentage than you see among white folks (only 38 percent of non-Hispanic whites are Evangelical).

    Yet black Evangelicals are largely erased from the public discourse around faith in America. And we are not alone. Christians of all colors and creeds are largely absent from the discussion of American faith. And it is time for our story, and the broader story of people of faith in this country be told—because what has been presented is not our faith. And the differences could not be more clear.

    They would find that Christianity of the others looks like inclusivity. As Lisa Sharon Harper, the founder of Freedom Road, says, “God’s grace is available to everybody. Period. His is an unconditional, wholly inclusive affection. There is no skin color, country of origin, or medical condition that can make you incompatible with the love of Jesus Christ!”

    And they would find that Christianity of the others looks like the radical notions of love for all mankind rooted in the Bible.

    https://thebulwark.com/where-is-the-love/

  42. Em says:

    bob1
    “For God so LOVED THE WORLD that He gave His ONLY begotten Son…”
    We need more thought and teaching on what that word, “gave” implies, eh 🙆

  43. Owen says:

    Late to the party here, but I’ll add my own little note to the brief discussion re: the tax credit proposal…

    We lived in WA state for 14 years, and received the tax credit for those with children in one lump sum when we filed taxes each year. Was nice to have, we bought the kids new clothes, maybe a bed if when they outgrew it, etc…. but then it was gone.

    Now we’ve lived back in Canada for about 14 years, and we receive the Child Tax Credit every month, and we’ve come to appreciate this method much more than the lump sum. Many times it has been the difference between eating that month, or or trying to subsist on meals from the food bank.
    Definitely makes it easier to cover basic expenses. My vote, it’s a good idea.

  44. Corby says:

    Totally off the current topic. Sharing a pleasant surprise. I’ve being listening to the daily devo podcast from Archbishop Foley Beach of the Anglican Church of North America. The recent batch of episodes are taken from a sermon(s) on the Holy Spirit. If I didn’t know better I’d have thought I was listening to a Calvary Chapel pastor teach on the Holy Spirit (and I mean that in the best possible way). As I’ve said, pleasantly surprised.

  45. Anon says:

    You know, Tampa Bay didn’t really win today’s Super Bowl.

    The truth will come out soon.

  46. Jean says:

    Anon,

    Brady has been in the cross hairs of conspiracists for a long time. The two lines of suspicion that typically convict him are that he cheats and/or that the referees give him preferential treatment. Perhaps on the darker web outlets, there something even more sinister going on about him, but I wouldn’t know.

    However, I think for those watching last night, Brady demonstrated unquestionably dominant leadership, skill, and strategy. However, to be fair, it took a total team effort, so many other players deserve kudos as well for a magnificent performance on both sides of the ball.

    I think many people were shocked to discover that Kansas City’s offense could be tamed. The coaching for Tampa Bay was outstanding.

    I hope the team remains intact for another run next year. I can see that Brady’s arm remains strong and accurate, and he still has fire in his gut. Love Gronk too!

  47. Dan from Georgia says:

    The massive amount of cheating in last nights game was well documented on video. The actual score was 31-9 in favor of the Chiefs. The league needs to overturn the game results now. The integrity of the game is at stake. Do the research!

    In all seriousness…yes I agree Jean. It became apparent towards the end of the 3rd quarter (?) when the Bucs defense was chasing Mahomes all over the field.

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