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  1. OK a small rant…

    President Obama is bi-racial and should speak for all of his citizens as a peacemaker and and agent of reconciliation. He should point out that what happened to Travon could have happened to anyone in the atmosphere of fear and suspicion. He should tell us how we should all strive to be at peace with one another. (which I think to some degree he did)

  2. Ricky Bobby says:

    Agree with Dread. Btw, if 0bama is “black” then Zimmerman is “latino”. Both are white and brown. In one case 0bama is “black” when the Agenda wants such, in the other case Zimmerman is “white” when it fits the Agenda and narrative.

    Some blacks can be very racist indeed. I think Charles Barkley did a great job addressing the situation from a non-racist intellectually honest standpoint.

  3. Muff Potter says:

    Agree with Ricky Bobby. I wish smart over-educated white guys would stop the practice of self flagellation for the real sins of their fathers and the imagined ones of their own with regard to the slippery topic of racism.

  4. Gary says:

    Obama is getting the reaction he’s been working for and paid for. How many different ways are there to say “Bring it all down, man!”?

    Today is my first day off since last Saturday. A few weeks ago a friend suggested I look into being a security guard. He said it with a straight face.

  5. Had a great day today. The wife and I went to the Farmer’s Market in downtown Memphis.
    We picked up some zucchini, fennel, brussel sprouts and a jar of muscadine jelly.
    Then we went to Tom Lee Park on Riverside Drive and had a nice walk along the Mississippi River.
    It was hot and humid though. Oppressively so. But hey, It’s the South and that is just how it is in the summer. The good thing is the mild winters.

    Interesting note, in the 80’s and 90’s, downtown Memphis was decaying and thought of as not a good place to go and the outer parts of Memphis were considered good places to go.
    It is completely the opposite now, yuppies or whatever you want to call them have moved in and downtown is experiencing rebuilding and renewal.
    The problem is it is driving prices up and the poor people are being driven out due to higher rents.
    This seems to be a problem in many big cities nowadays.
    The poor always seem to get the short end of the stick.

  6. Xenia says:

    I’m going to be out of town for a few weeks, going up to Lynden WA to visit our family up there. See you all later, if I don’t have an Internet connection!

  7. Gary says:

    Have fun, Xenia. My brother lives south of there in Arlington.

  8. Michael says:

    Xenia,

    Thank you for letting me know…cause you know I would have worried if we didn’t hear from you.
    Prayers for traveling mercies and a great time…

  9. Linnea says:

    Derek…thanks for sharing the photos! What a difference water makes! Sent from the Cadillac Dessert!

  10. Scott says:

    I grew up on the rough side of town as an early teen. One night I was walking through a park on my way home. A black guy came up behind me and hooked me from behind and put a knife to my throat demanding my money. In an instant, he realized he knew me and we had a good laugh while smoking Marlboro Cigs I provided.

    I was often ridiculed for my color, being called, honkey, whitey, etc.

    One time I was on an RTD bus to Dodger Stadium. There was a large group of black girls mocking me incessantly for the teenage puberty acne I had. I wanted to lash out, but knew better as practically the whole bus was occupied by folks with skin color that didn’t match my own.

    President Obama, what was your point yesterday in that presser you held?

  11. Thanks you, Linnea.
    In the Black Hills, it barely rained all summer, almost semi-arid.
    Around here, in the summer, it feels like you are breathing water half the time.

  12. Muff Potter says:

    Derek wrote:

    The problem is it is driving prices up and the poor people are being driven out due to higher rents.
    This seems to be a problem in many big cities nowadays.
    The poor always seem to get the short end of the stick.

    The hard won gains of the New Deal which brought about a true and thriving middle class and also ushered in the highest standard of living the world has ever seen is being systematically looted, gutted, and dismantled. Many who are still technically part of that middle class are no longer thriving but are just a paycheck away from joining the ranks of the downstrata themselves. The weak are the meat which the strong do eat.

  13. PP Vet says:

    “The hard won gains of the New Deal which brought about a true and thriving middle class …”

    Not sure where that came from. Do economists really believe that?

  14. Gary says:

    The New Deal helped many poor people survive for a few years but it’s a joke to claim it created a middle class. The middle class of the 1920’s became poor after the crash of ’29 and the dust bowl. It was WWII that brought back the middle class.

  15. Gary says:

    The code is the meat Tom Hanks doth eat.

  16. PP Vet says:

    Thanks, G, much sanity you speak.

    Even when I am out at the ball game with bad Internet, I had to say something.

    “Historians generally agree that, apart from building up labor unions, the New Deal did not substantially alter the distribution of power within American capitalism.” In fact, coupled with LBJ’s Great Society, it is just plain old socialism.

  17. Here is what happens in Memphis.
    Govt. gets hold of the people’s money and wastes it on boondoggles, like the Pyramid in the 90’s. Hasn’t been used in years till Bass Pro Shops offered to lease it.
    The boondoggles never pan out and Memphis has to annex another city or suburb around it to satisfy it’s voracious appetite for spending.
    Usually, this results in people fleeing to North Mississippi to escape the Memphis tax monster.
    Luckily, Memphis has not figured out how to annex cities in another state or I assure you they would do it.

    Now, for some reason, downtown Memphis has been a reverse in the usual trend. Probably due to the fleeing from the suburbs to downtown that is going on all over the nation in big cities.
    Developers see money signs and cater to where the money is.
    Now, I must say, on one level I like this.
    Downtown Memphis looks so much better than it used to, but the outer parts of Memphis, that have been annexed over the years are now decaying and the poor that used to live downtown are going to who knows where.
    My guess is it will all work out like Detroit. Large portions of town uninhabited and trashed.
    A lot of the fault lies with the government of Memphis.
    I just hate to see the hurt it brings to the poor.
    This is the “care” that govt. brings and the reason there is no end to the “War on Poverty”
    Why?
    ‘Cause the govt. is clueless and mainly concerned with throwing bread to the masses at the coliseum.

    Sorry, not seeing the New Deal benefits from bigger govt. around here.

    PP Vet, a lot of economists have the screwiest ideas I have ever heard.

  18. Gary says:

    At least the New Deal put people to work. The Great Society undermined the family. The New Deal was a success. The Great Society is and was a disaster for our country.

  19. Gary says:

    Here’s an example of what the Great Society gave us. There’s a large city about 15 miles away from me. It was a typical large city until the city government decided to expand welfare beyond the norm. People were lazy but they weren’t stupid. They called their family and friends from around the country. Now 30 years later that city has one of the worst crime rates and the most run down neighborhoods in the country.

  20. Gary says:

    Derek,
    I heard something similar happened in New Orleans.

  21. Gary,
    It wouldn’t surprise me.

  22. Steve Wright says:

    The New Deal raised taxes, increased regulations, expanded government payrolls and expanded government deficits.

    Sound familiar?

    I don’t know of anyone but the mightiest partisan who does not cite WW2 as the key to America’s turnaround – not just the war effort itself, but the dramatic change once all the soldiers came home – especially (and here is something the government did right) the GI Bill.

    And of course, this was a time (late 40s and 1950s) when America, (though with the constant caveat needed around here – wasn’t perfect), nonetheless still retained a strong faith and moral ethic that greatly aided in bringing that prosperity.

  23. Steve Wright says:

    Derek,

    Oklahoma City really revamped its downtown as well over the last several years. They put in a river-walk/canal right in the middle of the city – restaurants all around..a beautiful baseball stadium.

    And did it with strict financial discipline and no lingering debt.

    There are still parts of OKC where someone my skin color can’t safely walk (memo to Obama) but there definitely has been a renewal for the city.

  24. Gary says:

    Steve,
    And those taxes and regulations never went away.

  25. Muff Potter says:

    Damn, now I know how Geronimo felt with the horse soldiers closing in. Ha!

    Steve, you’re very right when you say that we had a much stronger moral ethos in the old Leave it to Beaver days, but then again, financial oligarchs were not allowed to cripple and dismantle our industrial base and ship it off shore either. Since the 1980s they have done so with impunity and get tax breaks for it to boot, and Gary, you’re half right on the taxes and regulations thing.

    When a new breed of financial entrepreneur arose, they installed Bill Clinton into the oval office and made sure he repealed the Glass-Steagall act (a New Deal safeguard) which prevented the investment industry from gambling with funds (your money, my money, & mom & pop’s money) from the banking industry. Funny how the only moral outrage from conservative Christianity was about Bubba’s antics with Monica Lewinsky and Cuban cigars.

    Socialism has existed in America since Mark Twain’s day, but the only meaningful question is: …Socialism for whom?…

  26. Solomon Rodriguez says:

    I don’t agree more much with Obama but he qas right on to say what he said. Sad fact is, the lives of Black males is not looked at as valuable as white males or females. There is still much racism. For white people to cry about being victims is laughable at best. I grew up in L.A. and saw the injustices perpretrated on black men and sometimes women. You know your not racist when you would be okay with your daughter marrying a black mand and having mixed grandchildren. Lets see how many so called spiritual people here would be okay with that.

  27. Solomon Rodriguez says:

    Steve,

    The racism by whites has been for more impacting than racism by blacks will ever be. Not only have blacks in L.A. had to deal with the ignorant WASP culture but they also had to deal with prifeful racist Mexicans.

  28. Solomon Rodriguez says:

    Steve,

    Moral ethic for the 1940s-50s? Are u kidding me? Blacks were treated like crap by the WASP’s in this country. So much for being a God fearing nation in the Leave it ti Beaver days!

  29. Solomon Rodriguez says:

    You keep living in the fantasy world of the 1950’s but my grandpa told me the truth about how racist cops in Shafter, Texas harassed my family and the mexicans in town to the point of beatings.

  30. Steve Wright says:

    Solomon, the following quote (and link) speaks to my point in more detail. Of course, the left calls anyone who dares express these sorts of facts “Uncle Toms” so be forewarned.

    What about the decline of the black family? In 1960, only 28 percent of black females between the ages of 15 and 44 were never married. Today, it’s 56 percent. In 1940, the illegitimacy rate among blacks was 19 percent, in 1960, 22 percent, and today, it’s 70 percent. Some argue that the state of the black family is the result of the legacy of slavery, discrimination and poverty. That has to be nonsense. A study of 1880 family structure in Philadelphia shows that three-quarters of black families were nuclear families, comprised of two parents and children. In New York City in 1925, 85 percent of kin-related black households had two parents. In fact, according to Herbert Gutman in “The Black Family in Slavery and Freedom: 1750-1925,” “Five in six children under the age of 6 lived with both parents.” Therefore, if one argues that what we see today is a result of a legacy of slavery, discrimination and poverty, what’s the explanation for stronger black families at a time much closer to slavery — a time of much greater discrimination and of much greater poverty? I think that a good part of the answer is there were no welfare and Great Society programs.

    http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/williams060805.asp

  31. Steve Wright says:

    I in no way am diminishing the racist past of this nation. And I included my caveat earlier. However, I was talking about prosperity and moving ahead financially. And that was much easier in the 40s and 50s than today. As expected when seeing incredible stats like this one above.

    But the “reverend” Jackson and the “reverend” Sharpton would rather use their influence to get rich by race-baiting and political partisanship than promote Jesus to young black people who might actually rise above the tremendous statistical odds stacked against them at birth.

  32. Gary says:

    How was Obama’s statement helpful to our country? In what way does it unite us? It was meant to incite, not to unify. You try to ignore the evidence of the case. It just exposes your own prejudice. Zimmerman is not to be held guilty for the real or imagined crimes of his race for the last 200 years any more than Reginald Denny. I grew up in LA too and I see it differently. I saw the whole Rodney King video. I saw the evidence in the OJ trial. You are a victim of believing what you want to believe via the evening news. Each of us is accountable for our own actions and not our race. Grow up Sol. Thank God none of the jurors have your bias. My mixed grandchildren slap you in the face. Nothing personal, you understand.

  33. Gary says:

    I feel bad for you Sol but try to separate issues.

  34. Solomon Rodriguez says:

    Gary,

    It wasn’t the Rodney King trial that sparked the riots it was the Latasha Harlins killing tjat was really the driving force. If Georgie Z woulda just called the cops instead of trying to be a tough guy then that crap woulda never happened. It was a travesty of Justice not a travesty of Law. The Law was served but justice wasn’t.

  35. Gary says:

    Wouda couda shouda is a fantasy. Here’s a more realistic if- what if Trayvon hadn’t attacked Zimmerman? What if he hadn’t beat him to the ground and punched him and beat his head into the ground? What if the security guard was unarmed? He’d be dead.

  36. Gary says:

    Justice was served. Not in the trial but in the crime. Trayvon died as he had lived. He aggressively attacked someone and paid the ultimate price for his aggression. And, yes, it WAS the nightly news’ edited version of the Rodney King beating that incited the riots.

  37. Scott says:

    A couple of days after Zimmerman was acquitted, I received a call from a good trucker friend of mine who I have known for almost four years now. We talk to each other at least 3 to 4 times a week.

    He is a black man…

    We hadn’t previously spoken about the issue because I frankly hadn’t followed the case as I have previously stated. Honestly, I try not to engage in political or hot button social talk at all with him.

    He immediately went into a rant about the “injustice” done by the jurors in Florida and conjectured that if Martin was white and Zimmerman black and the outcome was reversed, the results would have been the opposite. In other words, the verdict was at it’s core racist.

    I really didn’t know what to say entirely. I mean, I’m a white man and he’s a black man. His perception of things is obviously different than mine on many levels. I tried to reason with him, however, my efforts were futile.

    I asked him if Zimmeran was an Hispanic or white and he replied, “WHITE!” Then, I asked him if Obama was white or black and he replied emphatically “BLACK!” When he realized what he had just done, he then went on to blame the Supreme court in the Dred Scott case from the 1800’s for ruling that blacks are not human.

    I didn’t ask him to elaborate, instead I just changed the subject to trucker talk because I knew that no amount of arguing, reasoning, statistics, etc., would change a thing.

    His friendship to me is more valuable than splitting over the matter. I hope it stays that way too.

  38. “His friendship to me is more valuable than splitting over the matter. I hope it stays that way too.”

    Very well stated!
    This is exactly why I try to never get decisively engaged in discussions like that with friends.

  39. uriahisaliveandwell says:

    On:

    ““The Black Family in Slavery and Freedom: 1750-1925,” “Five in six children under the age of 6 lived with both parents.” Therefore, if one argues that what we see today is a result of a legacy of slavery, discrimination and poverty, what’s the explanation for stronger black families at a time much closer to slavery — a time of much greater discrimination and of much greater poverty? I think that a good part of the answer is there were no welfare and Great Society programs.”

    Here’s another perspective:

    Prior to the stock market crash and WWII, our country was primarily considered to be agrarian, therefore, skills needed were different than after the Post War II ERA. Along with this when men went off to war, women found themselves now in the workplace. We also had a huge influx of immigration coming from Europe to get away from Hitler. We had the dust bowl that literally tore of the land that also displace the farmer who then migrated to the cities. The War put many to work, but at the same time everyone was climbing over the other to get a job, particularly when the crash happened. Then when our veterans returned home, what jobs were available were given to them. Women, who husbands abandoned or did not returned from the War or returned from the War but was “shell shocked” or PTSD stayed on the job.

    So by 1945, we have a ravaged land wrought by the dust bowl, a stock market, that closed the banks, and commerce everywhere, umemployment, rampant, homelessness, rationing on just about everything, mafia bosses fighting over the vices, unions going to war to make better work conditions, and minorities (women, Blacks, Jews, Mexico/Spanish) learning new skills and moving out of the country into the cities.

    When WWII was over, people were being displaced from their jobs, but not without a fight. Even Rosy, the Riveteer was not so keen on giving up her job that gave her the ability to feel independent, valuable, and more of a part of society in making decisions that affected not just her household, but also her community as well.

    In 1950’s we took on an attitude of isolationism. That is, we became paranoid of everthing and everyone, except if you were a WASP. The government went after the bosses, the blacks, the Jews, the Mexicans, and the “Communists” and in its prideful efforts to pull the USA together, it did so by locking out anyone that was not WASP.

    Then when Vietanam start brewing in the 50’s and people started protesting in 60’s, the establishment and the WASP and the government were and was and has been being challenged ever since.

    I did not grow up with prejudice. I did not even know that it existed. My father was a musician and it didn’t matter what gender or color or ethinicity that you were. Racism became a reality for me when I left home and went to Memphis, Tennessee. I was on a bus and as we traveled the downtown then just before going on the highway to Millington, the bus driver pulled to a stop. There was alot of commotion going on outside and what I saw was this. A car load of white guys was driving up and down, back and forth whooping and hollering, when all of a sudden they stopped right in front of my window view. They ran over to this young woman who was pregnant, ready to pop. They took that young woman and tied her up by the hands and pulled her up over this light pole, just enough to raise her off the grounds. The next thing I knew, one of the guys walked up to her and slashed her stomach open, with the baby falling to the ground. They then jumped into their car and spun off.

    That was in 1969—and my first exposure to racism. I hated whites for a long time. I hated my own race and was so ashame to be named among them. But I also began to be more involved with my community and seeing things in a whole other way.

    As for Trayvon, I don’t agree with Obama nor the racism card being played, by anyone. I can see myself in Zimmerman’s place, not as a man of race, or anything else, but simply as a person who cared about his neighborhood, wondering who this person was that I was not familiar with and then calling it in. And just because I was told not to worry my head about it (in my words), wouldn’t necessarily relieve me of my concerns, since I was the one who was doing the observing. I believe what he stated and having been stalked, and followed myself, and jumped because I was just being observant, I have no doubt in my mind Zimmerman told the truth. My heart goes out for the TM’s family, however, Zimmerman is someone’s son as well. Trayvon could have spoken up in a respectful manner to Zimmerman, but instead he was on the phone talking smack to his female friend. His attitude was wrong. He knowing, that due to the prejudices that are very well known that when one feels as though they are being eyeballed, it is best to disarm by simply presenting oneself as a person who is non-threatening instead. That is not what happened. Instead he came up in a mad dog type postioning and cold cocked Zimmerman and we know the rest. If it was me, TM would have done me much harm, as I don’t carry a gun and never will.

  40. Steve Wright says:

    I can think of one case where the black defendant indicted of killing not just one but two white people was found not guilty. I think it got a little press coverage too.

    I think the stats were something like 75% whites thought the man guilty, and 75% of blacks thought him not guilty.

    Not simply hoping he would get off as a sort of payback justice for years of racial bigotry and injustice by the LAPD – but literally thought him not guilty of the charges.

    When the divide is that deep, there certainly is no reason to risk the loss of friendship trying to argue a point.

  41. Solomon Rodriguez says:

    Bottom line, you step up to someone prepared to get in a physical confrontation but Zimmerman was too much of a coward to back up his actions so like the racist punk he appears to be he used a gun

  42. Solomon Rodriguez says:

    Gary, your an ignorant fool! The Rodney King incident didn’t incite the riots, decades of police abuse did. Rodney King was just the straw that broke the camels back.

  43. Gary says:

    Yes, I may be ignorant and yes, I may be a fool, but facts are facts.

  44. erunner says:

    I see white guys with shaved heads and tats and I get nervous. There’s a lot of white power garbage around us. A number of years ago our son (half mexican) and his friend (full mexican) were outside talking down at the friend’s house. It was maybe 11:00p.m. A carload of white power guys got out and confronted them for no reason. They started pushing the boys and before you knew it one of them plunged a knife into our son’s friend’s neck. He lost a third of his blood and survived and is fine now.

    There are also mexican gangs all around the area. I see a young group of mexicans dressed like gang bangers I get nervous as well.

    The black kids don’t affect me in the same way for some reason. I admit that what I do is probably considered profiling if you had to label it.

    Yet whenever I cross paths with those who make me nervous I always try to say hello to them.

    I wonder if some get nervous when they see a chubby 59 year old guy approaching them?? 🙂

    Those are the shoes I walk in. We all have our perspectives based on life experiences. Since I’m not mexican, black, or asian I don’t know what it is to walk in their shoes. Probably no fun when you’re out for a walk knowing some are afraid of you for no good reason.

    I know many who are prejudiced. A few who are believers. They think Trayvon got what he had coming because of their prejudice. Others believe the verdict was just by looking at the facts while others who look at the same facts come to a different conclusion.

    On my walk the other day I went through the park. Kids were playing. A little league team was practicing and all ethnic groups were represented on the basketball courts. It made me happy yet also sad knowing what I was seeing isn’t the norm. Come quickly Lord Jesus.

  45. Solomon Rodriguez says:

    All I know us that the blacks that I have come across have been very humble and loving, far more so than many holier than thou WASP’s. It was a black family that took me in when I was homeless in NYC and treated me like I was i ne of the family. I’m Chicano actually half white and half Chicano but I look white so I don’t know how people of color feel but I have seen the hatred and racism with my own eyes.

  46. Solomon Rodriguez says:

    And so what if Zimmerman is hispanic? Hispanics can be racist pigs as well especially in Florida where I lived for a year. The white Cubans there can be real arrogant and hateful towards blacks so I really don’t want to hear them cry and whine about Castro when they themselves oppress the blacks in Miami. It was a Cuban cop that killed a black motorist that started the Overtown/Liberty City riots of 1989.

  47. erunner says:

    SolRod, Where I live we have had black neighbors next door twice. One couple the husband was black and his wife was white. This drove some neighbors nuts because they are prejudiced. They were a great couple with awesome kids that I became very close with.

    Living in the OC I read of the rampant crime in Santa Ana and the Los Angeles areas and it’s typically blacks and mexicans who are doing the crimes. That is not to say other ethnic groups have clean hands. None do.

    It’s true that the justice system has been quite unfair to minorities. I’m sure there’s some prejudice involved. It wasn’t that long ago blacks couldn’t even sit with white people. That type of prejudice still exists in many people.

    Me, you, Gary, Steve, Xenia, London Michael, and the rest here have different perspectives but it doesn’t mean some are right while the others are wrong. That would change if someone came out as a racist. The key is being able to dialogue without going nuclear.

  48. Gary says:

    Jesus is the only truly uniting factor on this planet. You come to my church and you’ll see true unity among minorities. We got ’em all.

  49. Steve Wright says:

    On my walk the other day I went through the park. Kids were playing. A little league team was practicing and all ethnic groups were represented on the basketball courts.
    —————————————————————-
    E-runner.

    One of the greatest honors I have is to pastor a church that by outward appearance looks like that park you visited.

    Racists wouldn’t like it at our place for very long…

    Praise Jesus.

  50. erunner says:

    Gary, Does that include the dreaded Daleks? 🙂

  51. Steve Wright says:

    Gary beat me to it!!! 🙂

  52. erunner says:

    Steve, One of the first things my wife looks at in a church is if there is racial diversity. I think we’d fit right in even if you are a dreaded CC!! :mrgreen:

  53. Gary says:

    LOL No Daleks, no Borg, no Sith. Some Telmarines, some dwarfs, some elves, some Oyarsa, etc.

  54. Scott says:

    What are holier than thou WASP’s? I honestly dont know. And why are you being si histike Solomon? I think everyone has shared things from their own perspective in an honest and often introspective way. I’m unclear why you are being so contentious.

  55. Scott says:

    Meant to type hostile. Anyways, off to bed.

  56. Nonnie says:

    Seriously, despite many of Obama’s policies, I was thrilled a black man was voted in as president. I thought that this could be the beginning of a healing of past injustices. Sadly, Obama has used his position to be a catalyst for division rather than healing and reconciliation. This is tragic.

  57. Solomon Rodriguez says:

    Steve,

    Would you be okay with your daughter falling in love and marrying a black christian man? I mean a dark black dude from L.A.

  58. Sol Rod,
    You show signs of racism just by the examples you bring up. You may need to take a sensitivity class.

    My daughter’s sister in law is married to a “dark black dude” with dreadlocks and everything. No one in the family has a problem at all with his race or looks.

    Now, my issue with him is that he is the worship leader at a very large evangelical church and doesn’t know squat about scriptures.

  59. uriahisaliveandwell says:

    Steve,

    Would you be okay with your daughter falling in love and marrying a white Christian man? I mean a really light white dude from LA.

    I would think that any father would want his daughter to be happy and if she said she was “in love,” they would have the wisdom to know that this is not what makes and keeps a marriage together. No matter what race or hue of color a person is, has anything to do with how successful that marriage will be. However, if one is bias or defensive regarding race, ethnicity, or a whole lot of other things, character, beliefs, values, and how one treats the opposite gender, these are the things that will make or break this relationship.

    It takes maturity, honesty, integrity, perserverance, trust, respect, faithfulness to make a marriage and it takes a common bond in the Lord to hold it together. It also helps if each are able to be all that they can be, not in the eyes of what one spouse thinks the other should be, but what that person aspires to be given the gifts and talents given to them. But if one seeks to dominate, controls, oppresses to mold the other to fit their fantasy or to make up for what they didn’t get while growing up or to mirror a false image they would like to believe about themselves, you can take it to the bank, there will be inevitable harm done.

    These are the things that will make a marriage or tear it asunder. Marriages never fail—-they are torn asunder by unrepentant sin.

  60. Solomon, you might wanna have a little knowledge of Steve’s family before making such ignorant statements.

  61. Josh,
    I was thinking the same thing.

  62. progresive beleiver says:

    Love seeing all ther rightwing Christian reactionaries gather together to tell lies and BS.

    You’ve all got the intellectual firepower of a popcorn fart.

    Just wail ’til Hillary gets elected Pres. in 2016.

    She’ll ground your Tea Party gonads into dust.

  63. Muff Potter says:

    progresive believer,

    There’s a civil way to disagree with those whom you disagree with, and there’s an uncivil way. And speaking of intellectual firepower, four sound-byte slogans? Is that all you’ve got?

  64. Peaking of intellectual firepower, you mispelled both words in your screen name.

    Speaking of intellectual firepower, reading here for a few days would show that may of us are politically liberal.

    So, well done! Welcome to the blog!

  65. Gary says:

    “progresive believer” (both words misspelled) isn’t actually reading our posts. They’re just scanning. If they actually read, which a lot of pretending progressives don’t do, they’d see facts. Then they’d run. Whoever it is they’re immature. Maybe they’ll prove us wrong by posting something of substance.

  66. Solomon Rodriguez says:

    JTB and Derek,

    I asked Steve a question which is different than a statement

  67. If you’ll note, I put an “s” on the end of “statement”. That denotes plural. You ignorance has not been contained in one post.

  68. Nonnie says:

    Number 64: Such irony!

  69. Split hairs all u want SolRod, but u r doing most of the stereotyping on this thread.

  70. Solomon Rodriguez says:

    So why can’t he just answer the question? I’m curious

  71. He can answer or not answer whatever he wants, but your question was racist and ignorant all on its own.

  72. Steve Wright says:

    As long as her future husband is not a man filled with bigotry, not a man filled with hate and bitterness instead of love, not a man unable to forgive and let go of whatever trivial injustices he thinks he suffered, not a man filled with the pride of ignorance, not a man who professes Christ with his own lips while offering little but criticisms towards His bride, not a man who thinks he alone knows the right way to serve and worship the Savior

    As long as she avoids such a man….then I’m good.

  73. Solomon Rodriguez says:

    What if that man has a personality thats as boring as watching paint dry

  74. Solomon Rodriguez says:

    Hey JTB,

    Stop being a puss and let the tough questions be asked

  75. Sol, ask whatever questions you want. I’m just letting you know that your ignorance shines through the more you talk. Take your # 76 for example. Questioning my manhood because I call you on your racism? How does that even correlate? Oh yeah, this is Solomon I’m talking to. I shouldn’t expect you to make sense.

  76. Gary says:

    Not tough questions at all. Some women like watching paint dry. It gives them a chance to talk.

  77. Michael says:

    Solomon,

    Insulting JTB is as good as purchasing a one way ticket out of here.
    Period.

  78. Michael says:

    Solomon,

    Just saw your “question’…and if you knew anything about Steve’s family you would know that you look like a complete ass right about now.

  79. Scott says:

    Uh oh. Looks like ‘ole SolRod might of stuck his foot in his mouth. Let’s see just how macho he really is now. Will he come back and let the blog help pull it out for him? There’s a couple of Proverbs that come to mind, however, I better not.

  80. uriahisaliveandwell says:

    Isn’t there a scripture that says something about a person who has much bitterness in his heart will sow much grief and discord among his friends?

    Also thinking that among those in Him, we individually can treat each person as though they were our bride as well.

    A rebuke of a friend is far better than the kiss of a friend.

  81. uriahisaliveandwell says:

    Whoops!!! That would be:

    The rebuke of a friend is far better than the kiss of an enemy.

  82. Solomon Rodriguez says:

    Hey Mikey, the reason I asked the question is precisely because I don’t Steves family. If I knew his family I wouldn’t have asked the question Moron!

  83. Solomon Rodriguez says:

    I think for myself and don’t follow the crowd so if thar makes me a sower of discord then so be it

  84. Solomon Rodriguez says:

    Hey Scott,

    I asked a simple question get over it

  85. Solomon Rodriguez says:

    Man you guys are more sensitive than a 12 year old girl going thru puberty. I may be a sower of discord but you guys got the arrogant douche bag thing down to a T

  86. SolRod, sometimes it is best to admit you were wrong, not throw more insults.
    I think Trueman had something to say about childishness on the Links today.

  87. But, I wasn’t offended by anything you said.
    Your mistake is in confusing agreeing with a position, with being a racist.
    It shows in your interrogation to find out if Steve toes the line on other positions.

    What a society we live in when people find it acceptable to question people on verdicts of trials to see if they fit our perceptions of society as it should be.

    Disagreeing with things like the Trayvon Martin verdict are not an indictment of someone’s racial views except by people with an ax to grind.

  88. Michael says:

    Solomon,

    You have no idea what you’re talking about (as usual). Instead of being a man of integrity, you choose to hurl insults.
    So far, the only racist here is you.

  89. Solomon Rodriguez says:

    Michael,

    You don’t know me stick to your on line fantasy world

  90. Michael says:

    Solomon,

    You accidentally make my point.
    When we don’t know people personally , assumptions are prone to backfire.
    Feel free to click away and not to return…unless you want to offer some apologies.

  91. Solomon Rodriguez says:

    Michael,

    If you have a problem with insults maybe you should practice what you preach and your followers too

  92. Solomon Rodriguez says:

    Didn’t assume, I asked a question simple as that and like always you guys over complicated it. You guys tend to overthink the room. Me and a friend had this conversation the other day and guess what she simply answered the question without getting her panties in a bunch. Seriously you guys are way too sensitive. Me and my friend had an adult conversation without being big crybabies about it. Maybe I touched a nerve in asking this sure seems like I did. I will not apologize for asking the question however I do apologize for saying Josh was being a you know what and calling you a moron. I will also apologize for saying the arrogant douche bag thing. Again there is nothing wrong with asking tough questions. My intent wasn’t to imply Steve was a racist it was really to ask the question, if someone asks me I take no offense I simply answer it. A lot of people say there not racist but then they got an issue with it when it hits close to home. Again simple question nothing more nothing less.

  93. Michael says:

    Solomon,

    I have no followers…we all have readers who interact with what we write.
    You wrote a bunch of nonsense.
    Own it.

  94. Solomon Rodriguez says:

    There was nothing wrong with me asking the question its how you take it.

  95. Gary says:

    Sol,
    It’s ok to get your panties in a bunch. They’re cheaper that way.

  96. Michael says:

    Solomon,
    Accepted.
    Peace.

  97. Steve Wright says:

    Solomon, it is generally poor form to bring family members into discussion – especially one’s kids, and especially when there is a history of disagreement with the person to whom you are talking about their kids.

    That said…I answered your question. Now, maybe 30 posts is sufficient for all to move on.

    A lot of Christian people I consider friends in this world have tried to show you the light of social manners and acceptability, as well as give you more than a little hint, based on that friendship with me, that you are barking up the wrong tree.

    To them I express my gratitude.

  98. Wow, SolRod really went off the rails there for a few! Well done, Sol. A little tantrum can be quite healing on occasion. 🙂

  99. Gary says:

    Is Rickety Bobboly Alex? I’m so disappointed and I’m outta here. I’m tired of being played.

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