Opening Day For CCSPC

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  1. Believe says:

    So much to discuss on this thread…

    …and FIRST! 🙂

  2. Corby says:

    Let’s hope they do speak prophetically or otherwise!

    I know Mike Macon and I will be bloggering and twittering about it over the week. I’ve heard that the hash tag #ccsp will be being used on Twitter as well. For those interested.

  3. Michael says:

    Corby,

    You guys need to change that hash tag..it’s already in use by others.

  4. Believe says:

    RE: CCSPC:

    Praying for Revival of Character from the Leadership. Skip may get the Riptide: Second Wave revival…but it won’t happen, IMO, until Leadership looks in the mirror and repents and experiences revival themselves…we as lay-people need to do the same (and are…)…however, a Leaderless Revival? A Revival for Laity…but not for some of the Pastors? Don’t know how that will play out…

    Praying for Rolph and Stipe this morning…(and last night)…

    RE: Kinkaid:

    First, I can’t stand his “work”…but that’s inconsequential.

    Regarding his “business” dealings….”But that’s just business…don’t judge…you don’t know his heart…there’s context…blah, blah, blah….”

    Seen the Corruption…heard all the excuses…Kindaid’s example is no different than several of the CC pastors sitting at CCSPC right now…

    I am a businessman…I’ve seen a lot of crap in the “business” world…done some of the crap myself…and repented…and need to continually repent and keep on my guard…”Church as a Business” shouldn’t be…it should be different…Kinkaid putting himself and his work forward as something of the Lord…and doing what he’s done and is doing…is deplorable. He should be rebuked and should repent.

    RE: Silva and Bryson:

    I kindly asked Bryson to join the discussion on the PP months ago, as well…he gave me a kind response…but didn’t want to come over to the PP and wrestle. Too bad, I believe a hashing out of things is healthy…however, I’ve since learned much about the man…and what I’ve learned explains why he isn’t over here participating.

    Some of these guys are the most insecure people you will ever meet. They are dominated by fear…and desperately have to always be “right”…and someone who is NEVER WRONG…is never right.

    My step-dad suffers from the same affliction…

    I hope and pray that Silva and Bryson and anyone else…will come dialogue. It is healthy. I’ve even invited Agnostic friends of mine to join the discussion.

    Doesn’t anyone read the Gospels? Did Jesus call the Disciples…and then lock Himself…and them…in a room…shut the door and preach to each other…and no one else? No. They went out and talked to everyone…they discussed things…they wrestled with Pharisees…they spoke with regular people…with political leaders….with Jew and Gentile…

    Paul the Apostle went to Athens…and to many other groups of people and had a dialogue…

    My challenge to Silva and Bryson…Contend for the Faith…and don’t be afraid. You don’t have to have it ALL figured out…and if you find yourself potentially “wrong” in an area…don’t sweat it…it’s not the end of the world…it’s just a manifestation of an indisputable fact…”we” will never figure it all out with all certainty…only God knows the absolute Truth…only God has “perfect doctrine”…and Logos (the Word, Jesus Christ) is perfection…”we” are not.

  5. Michael says:

    I’m going to have a conversation this morning with one of the more popular and better balanced discernment ministers after I get Trey to school.

    He looked me up and sent me his phone # and we’ll talk…that’s how it’s supposed to work.

  6. Corby says:

    Michael. It wasn’t my pick!

  7. Nonnie says:

    Michael,
    So glad you are going to be speaking to this brother and that he is willing to speak to you. That is a good step forward. As for some, however, if they speak and have dialogue, and even “agree to disagree” they have lost their audience and their speaking income. They exist on having a hornet’s nest to wrestle with in order to rile up the sheep and book their speaking engagements. However I am hoping for better from them.

    I am praying for Pastors Dave and Tom today.
    God bless and anoint them.

  8. Another Voice says:

    In 2003, Hazlewood and Spinello sued the artist and his company, then called Media Arts Group Inc., alleging that he’d used his Christian faith as a tool to fraudulently induce them to invest in a Thomas Kinkade Signature Gallery.
    ——————————————————————–
    You have to link back a few times to get to the LA Times article (from which I post above) and avoid much of the spin – but this is a joke. I’m not defending Kinkade in the least, and know very nothing about his business practices.

    I do know that even in a roaring economy it is tough to make money with an art gallery. But this is the classic American dream. Who can I sue when my stupid choices come back to bite me.

    So yes, they used the laws of our land to bring and ultimately win a large suit against Kincade. They have that legal right. Kincade now used the laws of our land to file bankruptcy. He is that legal right.

    The whole thing stinks, and it is a pox on the Christian house.

    But please…nobody forces anybody to buy art.

  9. Another Voice says:

    And yes, I am skipping the CCSPC this year.

  10. Except for some of the speakers at the workshops, this looks to be a decent SPC conference. I appreciate that it is taking a more instructive direction. Some great guys doing some workshops then a couple who make you go hmmmmm…what do they know about the subject that the normal guy doesn’t. I would also like to see some influence from people other than CC

  11. My brother the artist has a lot to say (and has) about Kinkaide. He isn’t that great an artist but someone did a great job of promoting it

  12. Another Voice says:

    One final comment before departing for awhile – Kinkade at one time was hotter than The Purpose Driven Life. Anyone who invested with him was seeing nothing but future dollar signs – though I am sure they would tell you “they were led by the Lord”

    Business investments are RISKY – by there very nature. ANYONE wanting you to invest in ANYTHING has their own vested interest first and foremost, though they will spend their time telling you what a great opportunity this is for YOU.

    I am not being cynical. You want to invest your money, diversify it (as the Bible teaches I might add) into a variety of stocks, bonds, real estate, commodities, precious metals, CDs and the like. You will likely make a gain slightly above the ratre of inflation and taxes.

    But this isn’t sexy enough for most people. They want the big bucks and are all too easily going to only hear what they want to hear in the sales pitch.

    I don’t want to pile on, but why would a LIVING artist’s work, who cranks out pieces like Hershey does candy bars, and is so overexposed that his stuff is on mouse pads and coffee mugs, EVER be worth much money? Kinkade was the beanie baby phenomena for the Christian sect.

  13. Jeff Stewart says:

    I am going to spend some time this week at the SPC really excited to get to see, and hug my brothers! and even more excited now that I read Rolph and Stipe are speaking the days I can go!

  14. BTW, my brother in jest calls himself the “Painter of Bud Light”

  15. Buster says:

    Here are some great Thomas Kinkade parodies:

    http://www.somethingawful.com/d/photoshop-phriday/paintings-light-ii.php?page=1

    The are some paintings that I would hang in my house.

  16. Captain Kevin says:

    My mother-in-law loves Kinkaid’s work, so consequently, we have several of his prints framed and hanging in our home. I don’t love ’em or hate ’em. I’ll sell ’em after she goes to be with Jesus. If he keeps doing business the way he has, I’ll have to just put ’em in the garage sale. Whatever…

  17. Captain Kevin says:

    Tom and Dave,
    Praying for you guys. Thankful for you

  18. Babylon's Dread says:

    Congratulations …you have the right critics… enemies are not too bad. Having enemies helps clarify your life and gives us something that forces us to demonstrate who we are deep within.

    The ODMs are like yapping dogs to me. They make a lot of noise but no impression whatsoever. Best we listen to them and mostly ignore them. They might accidentally once in a while help us see a blindspot but mostly they just clutter the road.

    The internet road is like driving in India, after a while you learn to ignore the things that once shocked and offended you.

  19. filbertz says:

    KaptKev,
    some suggestions rather than a garage sale for your Kincaids:
    *tire protectors for RV wheels
    *dart board backer
    *u-bake pizza oven board
    *oil catch under you car to protect the garage floor
    *disc golf
    *white elephant Christmas gift
    *kid’s science project–use the back side
    *bigger’n’better youth group donation

  20. Believe says:

    Fil…you forgot…kindling…

    or, paint it over with some primer…and you’ve got a blank canvas!

  21. DavidH says:

    “paint it over with some primer…and you’ve got a blank canvas!” 😯

    Sell it on Ebay while people still think its “art,” then buy some real art.

  22. Shaun Sells says:

    AEA, I owe you an apology. Fifteen minutes after you introduced yourself it hit me that you know me from here. I am sure I had a weird look on my face since I didn’t recognize you. Again, sorry brother. Hopefully I will seen you again so I can apologize in person.

    By the way Tom did a great job.

  23. Linnea says:

    Also, praying fro protection from attack for those speaking God’s heart.

  24. filbertz says:

    believe,
    kindling would be fitting for the artist of ‘light.’ 😉

  25. BrianD says:

    The word (not Word) for today:

    iPhone 4.

  26. Michael says:

    Tom,

    I hear you hit a homer tonight…very cool! 🙂

  27. Buster says:

    Tom – LOL – they should put that on the back of the CD pack!

    Dusty and I thought about crashing the conference this weekend, but decided that real fellowship with believers was more important.

    We did hear “Courson – party of three” being paged while we were out for dinner last night. We thought of lots of fun ways of enlivening their meals, but we looked around and didn’t see anyone we recognized. 🙁

  28. Buster says:

    Dusty says, “Hi!”

  29. Dave Rolph says:

    Tom did a great job! He just shared from Acts 1-2 about the role of the Holy Spirit in the life of a pastor. He reminded us of the simplicity of the old days, and challenged us to be continuously filled with the Spirit. It was a perfect way to open the conference, along with some words from Chuck, and a mini-concert by Love Song, including a drum solo by John Mehler, who can still bring it. Tonight there was a two hour worship service that was amazing. Brian Brodersen led it, while Scott Cunningham and his band played the music. We periodically got into groups of 4 or 5 and Brian had us pray for each other, pray for each others’ churches, and pray for other churches of all types, that name the name of Christ. Each of those was around 20 minutes, separated by worship. It was a powerful evening. Thanks for your prayers. Now I have to study for my talk tomorrow. I follow Bob Coy, who is always amazing.

  30. Michael says:

    Dave,

    We’ll be praying for you and you’ll be anointed as well.

    Very good to hear that things are going well…

  31. Not Alone says:

    Maybe I am to cynical or my wounds still to fresh, but the thought of these senior pastors getting together for a pep rally, just makes my insides scream.

    I pray that something real happens there, that the Lord puts it on someones heart to stand up and speak about the pain some of these senior pastors have and are causing in their churches and beyond. I pray that Chuck finally opens his eyes and makes a choice to expose the imposters prancing right under his nose, indtead of actively ignoring it and outwordly suporting it. I pray that instead of there self promoting product that they have an awakening to the real reason that they should be there. Not build there sales team and bring in more $, but point the way to the Savior and help the week.

    I pray that the good CC pastors come out imbolden and that the bad ones come out convicted.

  32. Scott says:

    Senior Pastor’s conferences remind the Assistant Pastors who is really in charge 🙂

  33. Another Voice says:

    LOL Scott!!

    Sort of Calvary Chapel’s way of saying “NO SOUP FOR YOU!” to the assistants. 🙂

  34. Believe says:

    Scott said, “Senior Pastor’s conferences remind the Assistant Pastors who is really in charge”

    You have no idea…
    (meaning…yes, in some cases absolutely no “charge”…)

  35. Believe says:

    Praying for the Big Easy…I know that nickname is already in use in the Gold World…but Pastor Dave sure fits that title well…and I mean that as very much a compliment.

    So much peace…grace…forgiveness…love…”my burden is easy…my yoke is light…”

    Appreciate your ministry Pastor Dave…the bit I’ve been blessed with.

  36. centorian says:

    Part of the reason it is Senior Pastors only is due to limitations of room.

    Not Alone,
    I feel your pain. I have heard others, including pastors express similar thoughts. Some I’m afraid will never change, particularly when the church props them up instead doing their due diligence of church discipline.

    It is helpful to approach these things with child-like faith and hope for the best. Sounds like Stipe’s message may have been worth the price of admission alone. Let’s pray that tempo has been set and that the word becomes engrafted.

  37. I’m not at the conference this year. Most of these men work hard. It’s good for them to get together and hear from some of their leaders. So no problem with a Sr. Pastor’s conf. whether SBC, Episcopal, or Aof G. I only wish would be that they invite someone from another denomination or seminary with another perspective. There are others out there that have the same passion for Christ and commitment to teaching whose input would only enable us to do our CC thing better…IMO

  38. Captain Kevin says:

    Steve-O,
    Although I didn’t get to go this year, it was encouraging that the southwest conference in Tucson did have Alistair Begg and James MacDonald, along with the usual assortment of “Calvary Big Guys.”

  39. Captain Kevin says:

    Filby and Believe,
    Thanks for the suggestions. I’ll keep those on file, out of reach of my mother-in-law. 🙂

  40. bishopdave says:

    Steve Hopkins: I can relate. Been to a few SBC “evangelism” conferences and all I heard was three themes: 1)do more evangelism; 2)stop being lazy and do more evangelism; and 3)If you did more evangelism, then we’d still tell you to do more of it.

    It was like nobody said anything that we didn’t all agree and probably knew before we got there. Now in one of those conferences, Ricky Skaggs and Kentucky Thunder led the worship, making it well worth the trip. In fact that’s all I carried away after 3 days–Ky Thunder can lead you to the throne, and if I didn’t do more evangelism I was really letting God down.

  41. Sarah says:

    Have been praying throughout the day for Rolph and Stipe and all the others.

    Praying for the men with opportunities to speak to do so with fearlessness and grace. Praying for the Spirit to enliven their messages, and for the Spirit to make a resting place in each pastor’s soul to hear what God would have them hear.

    Praying for the faithful pastors to find refreshment in the midst of men who understand the burdens and sorrows along with the joys and hopes of being a senor pastor. Praying for these men to renew friendship and gain new friends who will strengthen them in the coming months. Praying that God orchestrates meetings that prove to be foundations for things that come in the future; relationships that will challenge and encourage and glorify Him.

    Praying for those who need to have a heart check, that God will meet them there as well. Praying that God will focus their vision and remind them of the weight of the mantle on their shoulders. Praying that God would stir in these men deep love for their flock that would astound even themselves. Praying that where repentance is needed, the Spirit will quicken them. Where forgiveness needs to be offered, it will be done so with no malice. Praying for refreshment in these men’s souls as well….that those who have walked in less-than pure motives and have born the weight of that and ministered with questions surrounding them….that they will find true refreshment as they unburden themselves.

    Praying that there will be much laughter and enjoyment, and much deep prayer and worship. That there will be balance, and that each of these men will go back to their congregations refreshed and with the vision God would have them have for their churches. Inspired, renewed, I pray that the Spirit will move in a variety of ways that will surprise and remind us that God directs and guides.

  42. Joe Marino says:

    I miss the Calvary Pastor’s Conferences. I miss Pastor Chuck, Gayle Erwin, and the fellowship I had with all the other pastors and assitant pastors I would see there every year. Of course, I don’t hear from many of them anymore. It makes you wonder.
    The Kincaide thing is sad. We knew some early victims. When he started going on QVC years ago selling the same stuff he made the stores stock, he drove prices down and hurt the people who owned the stores. I helped them liquidate their leftovers on E-Bay.

  43. Jim Jacobson says:

    Hey, this is still open for comments! Whoot!

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