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  1. Bsbylon's Dread says:

    Indeed it is

  2. Andrew says:

    Michael, I agreed with the second view until I get to the last paragraph. A fight until the death makes both sides sound rigidly fundamentalistic. Is there a middle ground or do you personally believe one side is correct and the other wrong?

  3. Papias says:

    “The continuing conflict between them, which breaks surface in the disagreement about same-sex unions, is a fight to the death…”

    He is very right here. The “discussion” about same-s3x unions only comes out of a view that Scripture is somewhat “flexible” in its meaning.

    If we take Scripture at face value, there would be no need for “discussion” – we would call it sin and let the hearer deal with the consequences of that statement. We would have no need for some pastor (thinking Rob Bell here) to tell us that “the Bible doesn’t mean that..”, except to mark them out as false prophets.

    We would also need to acknowledge that the same Scripture addresses the qualifications of pastors who are divorced (outside of adultery caused by the other), or host of other issues that we have allowed into the church.

  4. Michael says:


    Both sides are rigidly fundamentalist in a fashion.

    On one hand, the Bible is the final authority that informs reason and conscience.
    On the other, reason and conscious are the final authority and the Bible informs, but does not dictate faith and practice.

  5. Michael says:

    The way this plays out in real life is seen in the same sex marriage dispute.

    One side says the Bible forbids this, thus I must forbid it. Even though I love my gay friends, God has spoken and I must submit to His word.

    The other side says I love my gay friends and want them to be happy…my “love” is the arbiter of what is right and the Bible is not authoritative to me in this area.

  6. Em says:

    my copy arrived today and i have never read a better observation on the wrath of God (32 pages in) – wrath is one of the attributes of God (as opposed to some sort of petulant, childish fit)… if one needs the words that explain God’s wrath to a pew sitter like me… buy the book 🙂

  7. The Dude says:

    I read Knowing God in 1985 and it really blessed me. I need to read it again.

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