Potters Field CEO: It’s OVER

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  1. Michael says:

    We finally won one…thank God and some of the bravest, best people I’ve ever met…

  2. That’s a damning article. Now I’m wondering how the San Jose CC sponsored Uganda mission is associated or if it’s a different mission? It started out as a CCSJ mission, not PFM as far as I know.

  3. Brave people for sure. Hats off to those who dared to speak up. My kind of heroes. For those who the most severely traumatized, may they find grace and insight.

  4. Xenia says:

    Good work, Michael.

  5. Michael says:

    Thank you, Xenia!

  6. Duane Arnold says:

    Michael

    Sometimes it works…

  7. Michael says:

    Duane,

    This is a first…and I’m over the top happy for all these courageous people who made it happen.
    When I say over the top…I mean over the top… 🙂

  8. Noelle says:

    Fantastic.
    Surreal, actually.
    After all of these years of seeing things go the other way…

  9. Michael says:

    Noelle,

    You’re on the few who can understand what I’m feeling right now…I didn’t stop bawling for 15 minutes…you were there in the beginning and I’m glad you’re here to see this today…

  10. Kevin H says:

    Yes, great job, Michael. The abused and disadvantaged have finally won one.

    And…… “Officials with Calvary Chapel recently announced on the website, phoenixpreacher.com” heh heh, heh heh 😆

  11. Michael says:

    KevinH,

    Thanks…I’m sure the CCA loves that note… 🙂

  12. CM says:

    Given the exposure of abuse lately in the MeToo and ChurchToo movements, the issues with the SBC, etc. I wonder if this is just the tip of the iceberg…

    A quick review of the articles indicate not only abuse, but violation of labor laws, potential fraud, etc. This could potential lead to criminal charges…

    If PFM and its associated companies are incorporated in MT, I wonder if there is a MT state RICO statute…..

  13. Michael says:

    CM,

    I believe there are people following up on that…

  14. Shiloh Dart says:

    Not quite done Michael… if u allow Don McClure a pass on this and raise your arms together the credibility of this site will be tarnished. He personally profited from PFM into the 10’s of thousands of dollars. If you are now a partner of Don and CCA you’ll regret it. Putting your hand in a pile of sticks, the viper will bite you too. Don is the master of hiding and covering, even men abusing their wives and kids.

  15. Michael says:

    Shiloh Dart,

    You must be new here.
    Go ask Don and the CCA board if they consider me a “partner”.
    The reason we won this battle is because brave people came forth with evidence and stood in the face of the bully.
    If you have evidence, I’d be more than happy to follow up on it.

  16. AA says:

    Thank you for your determination and your advocacy for those that are damaged by ministry abuses. Great work Michael!

  17. Michael says:

    Thank you, AA…it was the people that were harmed that did the heavy lifting and I’m insanely proud of all of them!

  18. Jude says:

    Shiloh is spot on. This is learned behavior on Mike Rozell’s part. Not to say he is a victim in any way. He just behaves exactly like several other CCA pastors that have been mentioned in these endless threads and comments. Almost like they’re all taught to use the same cult like tactics, Rozell just went a bit overboard. Or, was it just because Don McClure couldn’t ignore the concerns of his own family? This story reaches much farther than PFM. This really is only the beginning. A post from Don is supposed to make people realize Mike Rozell is where this begins and ends? Let us not be foolish.

  19. AA says:

    Yes, they were very brave in exposing the terrible abuses the suffered. May they receive healing. 🙏🏻

  20. Jeff Sheckstein says:

    The similarities in programming behavior and the like are stunningly similar to my experience in a drug program cult called Synanon. Reading this stuff refreashens the memories, questions and pain anew. It took me years to get my head straightened out as there were no psychiatrists or deprogrammers who understood the process. I still have behavior patterns and dreams for it…and I escaped in 1978. God healed me…praise Him.

    MayourLord minister and guide these people to places of true comfort and refuge and let them know there is recovery, there is redemption, there will be a time when the useful can be properly sorted from the evil, and mostly that they in Christ will regain a hope for life that can be obtained absent the behavior modification that so controlled them. I pray you not self condemn why you stayed. Despite it all God did use Synanon to get me off of heroin despite the cultic ways. God still had a firm grasp on me.

    My heart to you. I’d love to share if any of you folks desire. Michael has my contact info.

    God’s grace and healing be showered upon you.

  21. AA says:

    “He just behaves exactly like several other CCA pastors that have been mentioned in these endless threads and comments. Almost like they’re all taught to use the same cult like tactics, Rozell just went a bit overboard.”

    Jude, you nailed it I’ve seen the same in CC just not as extreme.

  22. Kevin McCullers says:

    Amazing!! All these years of perseverance…

  23. Midwife says:

    Good. I’m grateful for Michael tirelessly working this Blog and giving these kids a voice. What a difference something like this would have made in my life decades ago after getting out of a cult. I’m listening Jude and I agree with you. These terrible roots run deep and wide I’m afraid. Everybody, keep your eyes, ears and hearts wide open. There’s definitely more to come.

  24. McGarrett says:

    Michael,

    Thank you for your steadfast willingness to help the helpless. May healing abound to so many of these young people who were abused. May they find their comfort, not in man, but solely in Jesus Christ.

  25. Jessica says:

    ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have shown our youth that there is integrity, truth does matter, people do care, we do believe them, and that no one else will be harmed. May God continue to bless you. A heartfelt thank you for your hours of research, posts, prayers and tenacity to forge bravely forward for justice to be served.

  26. Outside T. Fold says:

    Wow. Just Wow. I am marveling at this sentence:

    “Officials with Calvary Chapel recently announced on the website, phoenixpreacher.com, that…”

    Michael, your dedicated, careful focus on reporting about situations where there is abuse and pain-inflicting by people in churches that impacts parishioners has borne fruit here. Fruit, and many shakings of the head and declaration of Oh My and yeah, probably never in a million years would I have predicted THIS. You have been faithful, and now look. I marvel.

    I’ve read many of the awful testimonies of PFM abuse. I keep thinking of a saying I heard from the from a deeply moral teacher at the most recent nonviolent workshop. It applies here.

    ⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️
    Do not allow the immediate situation to keep you from being who you are.
    ⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️

    The immediate situation = the immediate chaos.

    I kept thinking of that as I read the testimony of the people who’ve been on the receiving end of the Rozell abuse. Rozell has kept you from being who you are. And that’s not right. That abuse does not convey love, it does not convey respect, it does not affirm your dignity.

    PFM’s M.O. has been a twisted horror of end justifies the means. I look at the Means, the berating, the horror, the abuse, the disrespect, and I wonder what are the ends? What is the goal of behavior like that? The message of the PFM organization, as told through abuse, gaslighting, mind-games and manipulation, is not good news. The spark of life and love is not communicated in action and deed.

    I hope for healing and wellness. And justice. And lots of justice and accountability for the ones responsible for inflicting grievous harm upon the innocent.

  27. mathetes says:

    What is wrong with all you people?

    I have been on this blog for many years and am a personal friend of Michael.

    Can we just enjoy a win for justice without some of you trying to build Rome in a day?

    Where is you sense of grace, patience, hope, long suffering?

    You guys need to count blessings when they happen.

  28. JM says:

    Michael–again I say “thank you” for your perseverance. Lots of people who needed a forum and an ear found it here. And, of course, thank God for orchestrating the unusual confluence of circumstances that brought this resolution.

    I have a question I must ask. (I’m too jaded for “bated breath or even hope, however.) Has Don given any indication that he would, on any level, consider finally dealing with the history of abuse and sin inside the Calvary Chapel camp (God’s anointed, Moses Model, pastoral adultery, etc.)?

  29. Julie Anne says:

    This is incredible, Michael. Thank you for believing the survivors and using your blog to expose the evil in the PFM camp. Wow – this never happens.

    To those who shared their personal stories – you are so brave. Keep talking. It’s so important in your recovery.

  30. John says:

    Good point JM also let’s not forget Don was Mike’s pastor, therefore a lot of this most likely comes from Don and the CCA. The way Mike acted about God’s anointing on his life. I think this isn’t over till the man who was Mike’s pastor also steps down

  31. ( |o )====::: says:

    Michael,
    Wow! Just, wow!

  32. Michael says:

    Thanks for the kind words everybody.

    What I’m about to say, I’ve written so many times before that it seems like a broken record to me.
    There will never be any sort of group wide reform in the Calvary Chapel churches, at least not in my lifetime.
    The reason is quite simply because there are very few in those churches that believe it necessary.
    They don’t think there is a problem.
    That…is simply a fact and the sooner everyone deals with that fact the better.
    Without the people who stood and called out this abuse by name, this abuse would have gone on without check,indefinately.
    It had been going on already for almost 20 years.
    Reform in churches comes from the bottom up, not the top down.
    Now, I have to go get ready for my surgery this morning.

  33. Duane Arnold says:

    Michael

    I’m sure that I speak for all when I say that you are in our prayers this morning…

  34. Michael says:

    Thank you, Duane!

  35. AA says:

    Praying for Michael. 🙏🏻

  36. Dan from Georgia says:

    Praying for your surgery Michael~!

  37. mathetes says:

    Praying for Michael , and his surgeon!

  38. Pam Kulwiec says:

    Wow. This news is so great! Because brave people spoke up but even more importantly, they had a place to be listened to. Thank you, Michael! So thankful for all these years of your faithfulness to report the stories culminating in this PFM horror – “for such a time as this”. I know I want to share in the “victory” of this situation – perhaps because so many of us have stories of our own from churches/organizations that still continue in their spiritually abusive ways. I’m also thankful these young people were believed – it will be such a huge part of their healing!
    Speaking of healing – praying for you this morning that your surgery will go well, that your healing will go quickly and completely, and that God will provide for all your needs, physically and spiritually.

  39. JM says:

    Michael, thank you for your response. I had to leave or I would have added a more complete explanation for asking such a question in my quickly written comment at 8:33 last evening.

    I apologize profusely if I took away the “thunder” from this wonderful victory by my query. I am wholly convinced that without your intervention–no greater exposure or greater help would have been possible. It’s just that I am in a situation where I genuinely needed to know if there was any interest or even tiny movement on the part of McClure. I had grave and deep-seated doubts–as do many here–but I had to ask the question.

    I am in contact with a party who knows of rampant sexual sin within leadership (& within the congregation) of a CC outside of the country that may be affecting some nearby missionary efforts there. I made this party aware of the PFM situation and we have been watching and praying to see what effect it might have. I did not and have not given this party hope that contacting the head of the CCA (McClure) would have any good effect at all. I just wanted to “dot the i’s” and “cross the t’s” before I gave confirmation of my original advice–“Get away and stay away!”.

    I have an observation about the approach to this matter. I have long thought that, leaders who are representing themselves as “serving God”, who do not perform their Biblical mandates to keep corruption at bay and clean out the camp at regular intervals–will, eventually be passed over and God will send someone else to do it. (This “corruption” includes necessary exposure of their own disqualifying pastoral sins–not the cover ups that a certain “pope” advocated at one time.) The PFM situation had been going on for quite some time and CC, because of unconfessed sin in their own camp, could neither see the rot in a timely manner or address it. It finally had to get personal for it to be relevant. (That has to be disgusting to those that suffered for so many years.) God has His own timing–but He will do it. When constant warnings are given to the “godly” and they continue in disobedience, God will use a party that the self-righteous, “godly” leaders abhor in order to shame them. Often the shame is accomplished in a public way because these “godly” leaders have failed so grievously.

    It is a good thing that the “ungodly” press were utilized to publicize this horror. It was part (definitely along with you) of what brought this to a head and brought PFM down. We all know from history, Calvary is not known to be willing or equipped to fix any of this sort of thing. Because of their obstinance and disobedience heretofore, the press and your badly maligned site (both likely considered to be “ungodly” and abhorrent by many in leadership @ CC) were used to accomplish the right thing. I see it as an indictment of their continuing blindness and failure to properly serve and protect the sheep–God’s people. How sick and how sad.

    I have a few last thoughts. Since this horrific situation will likely not put fear into McClure and other CC leaders about their continuation in “business as usual”, I would like to see more investigation and more articles in secular papers published about CC’s history that caused their operational complicity in allowing this horror to go on for as long as it did. I know what has been said about McClure specific to this situation, so I am trying to be mindful of that. However, it is extremely difficult to grasp when some of the testimonies and comments make it clear that there were previous warnings not taken–not just by McClure, but others, too. This went on for so many years and wasn’t done on another planet!

    Is McClure currently monitoring any of these threads?

  40. JM says:

    Michael, I was writing my comment offline before I posted and am only now seeing that you are facing surgery. We will be honored to lift you up and will follow your progress.

    God be with you and the surgeon as has been said better above. 🙂

  41. Duane Arnold says:

    JM

    Just a comment as Michael is “indisposed” and, I imagine, will address some of your questions. In most of these situations we often time wait for the “leadership”, in the organization or outside of it, to investigate or address concerns. The problem is that they are often, although not always, complicit. Lay people (as we’ve seen here) can also be effective in raising flags. As I said in my article this week, “Is something abnormal?”. Look at the board structure. Look at financial reports. Be aware if nepotism is going on. It took some digging for us to find the 990s for PFM, but we did find them… If you support a church or a ministry, it is perfectly within your capacity to ask if there is a yearly external audit and to ask for a copy of the report. It does not have to be done in an accusatory manner, but just as an exercise of your stewardship. Expecting normal standards of conduct, financial and otherwise, is the starting point for accountability.

  42. me says:

    if the kids who have been harmed want to do a class action suit they should start now so the assists will be frozen.. before he can liquidate them all.

  43. JM says:

    Duane–I would not have come to this site if leadership had not completely and utterly failed. I am a realist. There is nothing in the CC wineskin (or in other, similar corrupt systems) to give anyone hope.

    I do, nonetheless, advocate two things. Never make it easy for leaders to rest while they wink at sin. Never go away and never be silent about the need for repentance. The other is, when the apparatus in place is so impotent( or non-existent?) that it cannot execute justice–go outside. Give the unrepentant over to that which their pride has allowed them to think they are above.

    I could not agree more about what people should do on their own, Duane. Personal responsibility is not optional. We live among evil–even within the walls of what we thought were safe places–the church. It should be apparent that there is no guarantee that any place calling itself “Christian” is necessarily “safe”. We cannot abdicate our due diligence or bad things will indeed happen. I often admonish my peers to get used to doing their own research and inquiries before having anything to do with a church or ministry. I also encourage them to have set, Biblical criteria when doing this research. While there is still good advice out there, we cannot go back to relying on any one entity to give complete criteria. Things are so dicey, even a seemingly good group can skew the “criteria” to keep their own group from deeper scrutiny. I have actually seen all of this. It is a confusing, dangerous world out there. Frankly that should not surprise us considering the disclaimers and warnings that Jesus himself gave to His disciples. We have to realize for what we have “signed up”. It’s not a social club (fellowship among believers is qualified) and we were bought with the blood of Jesus Christ. This is serious business. We are not to be bystanders.

    As has been said, Salvation may be free, but it’s not cheap.

  44. JM says:

    I’m shocked! Calvary Chapel pastor McCoy defends PFM! NOT!

  45. Michelle says:

    In regards to “we finally won”. What exactly did we win? Really, this is called a win? There are children all over the world that have lost. There are young adults in their 20’s that lost a portion of their lives to abusive words and mistreatments that the average person has not endured. There are still people in Uganda, Guatemala and Cambodia that are wondering what to do. While serving our Lord, they are trying to keep themselves composed while inside they’re crying and devastated. I wouldn’t say this is a win on any level of Christianity. Perhaps a win for Satan that was able to destroy so many men of God that watched on the side lines while abuse was rained down on innocent young people that only wanted to serve God. Or maybe a win for those that profited financially at the cost of torture, abuse and blasphemy. But a win for Christians – this is not. God be with the souls of these people that chose to destroy the innocent with their vile ways. To all of you out there that suffered and were abused, your brothers and sisters in Christ cry and hurt with you. You will overcome this and God will reign! A quote from one of your sisters still on the field – “At the end of the day WE serve God – not man. Man will fail us but our GOD will not. Our work here is not done.”

  46. Michael says:

    Out of surgery and down for a while. I’m ok.

  47. directambiguity says:

    So Mike and Pam leave with their Golden Parachute. Mission accomplished for them.

  48. Em says:

    So glad surgery is done, but prayer continues for a good healing….
    I have stayed on the outside of this crusade (a good one) for a number of reasons… But what nags at me now is a feeling that much good would come from turning this into a book…
    Probably not a good challenge to Michael right now, but… 🙆

  49. JM says:

    Thank you for letting people know of your status, Michael. We won’t stop lifting you up in our prayers. We also are praying that God will provide people to help you post-op so that your recovery will go smoothly.

  50. JM says:

    Thank you for all the updates, Duane!

  51. JM says:

    I quickly found a few links on Rob McCoy (see below). However, I wondered if anyone can speak about having personal interactions with this man. His bios read like superman. I am appalled that, in every report, he is defending this cult.

    https://www.contentofcharacterseries.com/rob-mccoy
    https://truthandliberty.net/bio/rob-mccoy/
    http://godspeak.com/staff-page

  52. Michael says:

    Thank you all for the prayers.
    Thanks to Duane for keeping us updated.
    Just did another interview so there is more coming…

  53. Will Whosoever says:

    JM, McCoy is NOT “defending this cult.” He is stepping in and helping shut it’s doors. He said he is new, he said he is not defending PFM’s actions. Everyone wants this story to keep going. I think it’s time to say goodbye and allow God to heal and guide this final and painful process. Just.Stop.Already.

  54. Kevin H says:

    Will Whosoever,

    McCoy may not be “defending this cult”, but he most certainly is minimizing the severity of it by strongly denying it’s a cult (when it is quite obvious to anyone who has a working knowledge of what a cult is can see quite clearly from the testimonies of the abused that PFM indeed was a cult.

    And “everybody” wants this story to keep going? Geez, it’s been barely 24 hours since word of PFM shutting down came out. If we are so quick to just drop a story of this magnitude it sends the signal that it was no big deal and not much to be concerned about. Rather, it is better that such a story be made known far and wide so that the Rozell’s can’t go quiet for a little bit and then turn around and build a new empire of evil with a new unknowing group. Additionally, we do not want to drop this story so quickly as it will be beneficial to dig into and discover the root causes of what allowed such an abusive entity to come about. That way we may learn and help prevent other situations from potentially turning into similar environments of abuse.

  55. Steph says:

    I’m new to this site.; yet quite familiar with Mike and Pam Rozell and also with Calvary Chapel. This current situation is horrendous and needs to be dealt with spiritually, financially, and practically for all of the victims. It seems to be headed in that direction from what I’m able to gather.

    My question is about the past relationship that CC has had communicating here before. Is it typical
    for there to be any correspondence? Knowing what I know about Calvary pastors, they’re usually not as willing to talk as McClure has been lately. Calling a truce seems out of character…….has Don ever written to the site before! Have any CC pastors?

  56. Will Whosoever says:

    Keven H ~ McCoy is not minimizing anything. He is being courageous by offering to drop what he is involved in to help in this situation. He doesn’t gain anything and quite possibly will suffer because of it.. he is already being criticized by you for ‘minimizing’… did you catch the part where McCoy said “It’s over”? That means it’s finished…done… so please take that into consideration. Instead, why don’t you lead us in a word of prayer that God might use Rob McCoy to bring healing at a time like this?

  57. Michael says:

    We used to have a cadre of CC pastors but they’ve mostly left over the last few years.
    Don was involved in another issue in the early 00’s…he did communicate during that time.
    To your point, it’s unusual unless they’re trying to deliver a message…

  58. Michael says:

    A lot of people have questions about McCoy’s involvement.

  59. Kevin H says:

    WW,

    Anybody who tries to strongly claim that a cult is not a cult is minimizing. Period. It doesn’t matter if they don’t minimize on other words or actions. Denying that a cult is a cult in and of itself is a significant act of minimization.

    And maybe while I pray that God use McCoy to bring about healing in this situation, you and your sanctimonious self can pray that God would bring healing to the people of McCoy’s church who have been misled by an unholy conflation of politics and church.

  60. Steph says:

    Lots at stake for CC. One down……..

  61. Michael says:

    Honestly, this has little to no impact on CC as a whole.

  62. Steph says:

    Michael, I tend to agree but faithfully pray that our sovereign Lord will bring to the light that which has been in the dark.

  63. victorious says:

    WW
    “did you catch the part where McCoy said “It’s over”? That means it’s finished…done… so please take that into consideration. ”

    I did and it is not done. This requires a compassionate and capable team in contrast to an isolated I am iron man super hero ala calvary style. A team that will address this mess with a comprehensive plan of closure that addresses all people and all concerns that have have been affected by this.

    McCoy’s response is typical for CC: I read it like this: “shut and go away while we make this go away.”

    Not good. You might feel differently.
    Cheers

  64. victorious says:

    Calvary Chapel GodSpeak did not scrap everything related to Potters Field yet-

    This is from their Itunes Sermon Feed December 2018

    https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/godspeak-calvary-chapel/id537721753?mt=2

    See their praise a few short months ago of Mike and Pam Rozell.

    Also see that Don McClure is described as Rob McCoys pastor.

    DEC 8, 2018

    Potter’s Field Ministry
    Potter’s Field Ministry

    December 9th, 2018Mike and Pam Rozell are an amazing couple who travel the country using the gifts that God has given them to proclaim the name of Christ, and how His love is able to transform even the hardest of hearts.

    1 hr 25 min

    DEC 1, 2018

    Romans 4 – Don McClure
    Romans 4 – Don McClure

    December 2nd, 2018We have the pleasure of hearing an amazing sermon by our Senior Pastor’s Pastor, Don McClure. Pastor Don goes through a study on faith. It doesn’t take a perfect person to follow God, just a willing one.

    46 min

  65. Steve says:

    Victorious is spot on. This will take a compassionate team effort to bring closure to those needing it. Unfortunately I don’t think its healthy for CCA pastors to be involved. The very first step in the healing process of any kind of abuse, is to make sure the abuser(s) are not in a position to abuse any more.

    For goodness sake, how can any of this work be done if these kids are just sent back home to their CCA churches with their Moses Model pastors?

    CC was the genesis of this monster. I’m not sure exactly what constitutes a cult but its fair to say that cults are extremely dangerous. I think its also fair to say that PFM was a cult. Cults always have a founder and a leader. In CCA it was Chuck Smith and he was treated as their prophet. In PFM it was Mike Rozell and in Fort Lauderdale it was Bob Coy, etc..etc..etc..This list goes on and on.

  66. JM says:

    Have not been able to be at my desk for a good while. I guess some people have seen McCoy’s “interesting” sites.

    Thank you “Victorious” for that extra bit of research. Very telling. McCoy is not “new”. I guess his title of, Chief Executive Officer, was also a clue and why it was his job to clean things up. Another clue about his self-serving intentions is that McCoy could not use the term, ” victims” or “abuse”. That would have meant admitting there was a problem. No. McCoy has drunk the CC kool aid and is quite inebriated in it. With CC as his platform and McClure as his mentor, should we be surprised?

    Kevin H–great point about why this should not and cannot be kept quiet! Infact–many great points!

  67. Ex-Calvary says:

    Vic, you and Kevin are spot on! I’ve seen the “Brotherhood” of some CC pastor’s circle the wagons too many times.

  68. WWG1WGA says:

    The Moses Model is a corrupt, nepotistic, manipulative system that produces spiritual Hitlers who thrive on unchallenged dictatorship… There was only one Moses and even he failed to enter the promised land until after his death. CC’s foundation is corrupt because Chuck passed this philosophy onto his boys, and we are witnessing in less than one generation from Chuck, the Ichabod fall of CC! The MM formula IS a cult mentality of unaccountable authoritarians who rule by fear and spiritual manipulation.

    The dumb sheep, (often referred to as “tithing units”) are taught not to dare question Moses (their Pastor) until their gross sin of abuse is exposed, usually by the victims themselves and not the broad or elders who are usually complacent because of the hierarchy perks… Think of Animal Farm.

    Like in the case of Coy, Bond, Heitzig, Hockings. Grenier, Sabolick, Rozell and many others. Sadly, most of the sheep are so brainwashed that even in the exposure of blatant sin or abuse, they continue to stand with the abuser not able/willing to admit they have been duped themselves. “Don’t touch God’s anointed” or you will be smitten by God sure has been allowed to thrive within CC Fellowships and their Associations for far too long and unfortunately will continue to do so until the titanic finally sinks because….

    There’s no bisnie$$ like god Bisine$$ and the show MUST go on because… in the end, it’s all about the Benjamins, right Don?

  69. JM says:

    WWG1WGA–I can’t argue with anything you said.

    Duane–thank you for continuing to post the articles. I am thankful to see the exposure this story is getting. I had hoped it would get wider play outside of the area, but I may need to wait a bit more. I wish that the writers of these articles would continue on in exposing CC’s probable complicity in this situation due to their own aberrant structure. We’ll see.

    Again, many here express what I have leaned toward–that CC’s unbiblical philosophies are part of what made this able to hide in plain site and go on for so long.

    For what it’s worth, here is a link to “The Role of Assisting Pastor”, by Chuck Smith
    http://c317808.r8.cf1.rackcdn.com/TheMinistryOfAssistingPastor.pdf

    Also-here is a link to “Calvary Chapel Distinctives”
    https://archive.org/details/2000BookCalvaryChapelDistinctivesDigEd/page/n69

    Lastly, because I came to this site late, I never knew in which church that happened to you, Michael. You do not have to recount the story if it is already posted elsewhere here, or you simply do not wish to revisit it. Considering what you are dealing with physically, you don’t have to do anything if you do not feel like it. 🙂

  70. JM says:

    Testing.
    My previous comment says, “awaiting moderation” so want to see if this one makes it through.
    It could be because I gave links to Chuck Smith booklets.

  71. JM says:

    Nope. There it is!

  72. Paige says:

    Praying for your recovery and successful outcome for the surgery…and on going recovery, resistance to infection, recurrence and renewed function. Lord bless you.

    Congratulatory tears are definitely in order here. Praise God… tho tempered by awareness that so many other sick situations are being carried on ‘in the Name of the Lord”…. It’s difficult to see and sift, because we continue to see ‘souls being saved’ and new souls at the alter calls…. I think the joy of that and the generalized pleasant experiences at services and friendships formed, are the reasons why so much dysfunction is tolerated.
    I’m reading Pilgrim’s Progress at the moment (LONG moment! LONG book), and the whole reason for John Bunyan’s imprisonment was pretty much similar to modern church garbage. Interestingly, John went into prison as an obscure ‘tinker preacher’ and came out 9 years later as well known. We’re still reading his testimony now 500 years later.. While I have zero hope that other shades of darkness will never be purged out of churches in general, an many CCs (I still love the non denomination denomination), there IS hope that somehow God DOES utilize such perverse situations.

    I will say, the road to recovery after spiritual and psychological abuse is LONG and painful. Disturbing and confusing. There is quite a bit of good information out there –YouTube– on recovering from Narcissistic abuse, that is profoundly spot on.

    JM…do I know you? paigemom at G mail dot com…
    Michael and I were burned at the same church.

    May I ask for prayer, please? I am being stalked here on this site and harassed by a
    certain person who has been behind a great deal of loss in my life, my family and my former church. Considered a ‘Judas” in my former home town, this person,(who is no doubt reading this comment—and I will ‘pay’) continues, even after 20+ years to mingle within my family and circle. I know it’s “not flesh and blood, but principalities, powers, wickedness in high places”, etc.. As does our Host here, I sleep with my Sword and in my Armor, but I’m dog tired.

  73. JM says:

    Paige, I do not know if we know each other. However, I will happily write to you about which Calvary Chapels I attended. Maybe we can figure it out. 🙂 My email will have be done later, as I am preparing for an appointment.

    It was important to me to post an acknowledgment of your prayer request, however. I am heartsick and enraged beyond words to hear that some deranged soul is doing that to you. I hope it is okay that I also say this smacks of cult or cult-like behavior that was discussed here before. I wanted you to know that this poster is going to pray and pray earnestly for you! God surround you and send protection upon you, dear sister. May He send brethren to physically stand with you as well. I hope there is surveillance footage. If not, we would be happy to contribute to such a system! May this person be exposed, caught and given over to the authorities.

  74. Paige says:

    Thanks JM…. and thank you for your prayer…

  75. Jess K says:

    Rob McCoy has been involved with Potter’s Field Ministries for at least 10-years. He would come to the Ranch when it was still a discipleship program and was a guest speaker/teacher. He has known this entire time what Mike and Pam have been doing and he condoned it. He is not “new.”

  76. Danny Landrum says:

    As someone who lives in Kalispell and loves Mudman burgers, why didn’t these a-holes just SELL the burger joints to a restauranteer who could keep it going and save those jobs!?!? This brand has a ton of local goodwill, even among us atheists.

  77. Don says:

    Hey Michael, do you know how long Rob McCoy has been the CEO of PFM?

  78. Danny, a Mudman truck came to our church last summer. The burger and fries weren’t outstanding, but they were definitely above average. Better than In And Out, IMNSHO. <—- I speak blasphemy as a Californian. Now I'm sure those people weren't getting paid minimum wage, much less California minimum wage.

    PFM is still up on the CC San Jose website, and a young lad is sporting a PFM shirt in a pic of the CCSJ Entebbe mission above the PFM promo.

  79. Jlo says:

    Paige, praying for you.

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