Remembrance Day 2019: Duane W.H. Arnold, PhD

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  1. richard says:

    i encourage readers to look up “the war prayer”
    written by Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain).

    it was written, I believe, around the time of the US civil war.

  2. Duane Arnold says:


    …And Siegfried Sassoon’s, “They”…

  3. Em says:

    Wars and rumors of wars continue… Interestingly (or not) the first home we bought had a “war bride” from France on one side and a German on the other side… The French woman was afraid of birds that flew too close, the German sat glued to her TV when the series Victory in Europe was broadcast. She said she rooted for Germany as she watched….
    Today on the news i see that Gaza had a heavily armed military parade vowing to destroy Israel… and how many here would volunteer to join an army formed to throw the drug cartels out of Mexico (and the U.S.)?
    As the song says, “march into hell for a heavenly cause..”
    Whose god, whose heaven? Come soon, Lord Jesus, come soon….. ?
    We won’t have the longed for peace on earth until the King of kings returns, but….
    Renounce war anyway, it can’t hurt. ?
    God keep

  4. ( |o )====::: says:

    Link for “The War Prayer”

    End the folly.

  5. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Bring home our troops — from everywhere. We have no business being on or in foreign lands.

  6. Duane Arnold says:

    At one point, I could endorse the “just war” theories of Augustine and Aquinas. Over the last ten years, however, I have become less certain. The first condition is that of a properly established authority waging war… Congress has not made a declaration of war since 1941. Secondly, it is to be waged for a “good and just purpose” and not for self-gain… like oil, regime change, etc. Peace is to be the aim, not continuing conflict… the “mission accomplished” of two administrations ago, seems not to have been accomplished. I’m rethinking a good bit…

  7. bob1 says:

    Bring home our troops — from everywhere. We have no business being on or in foreign lands.

    Looks like “Bone Spurs” Trump is your man, then.

  8. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    bob 1 – you may have a long list of reasons we should have troops all over the world. I can’t think of any.

  9. Em says:

    it all began when Harry Truman divided Korea and we became the world’s police… that just doesn’t make sense… reconstruction was one thing, but we aren’t – ahem – Daddy War Bucks

  10. ( |o )====::: says:

    “Bring home our troops — from everywhere. We have no business being on or in foreign lands.”

    MLD, I agree with you, completely on this.

  11. Jean says:

    “Bring home our troops — from everywhere.”

    This assumes that America can survive and prosper independently of the rest of the world. In my opinion, America cannot enjoy prosperity and peace independently, that is wholly self-sufficient, self-reliant and self-supporting.

  12. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Jean, how do other nation’s do it without docking their Navy in Boston Harbor, or having 100s of fighter jets and bombers scattered at several of our air bases?

  13. Jean says:


    Some nations do it by bribing other countries for access and influence. China is really good at that. Some nations do it by offering dirt cheap labor and natural resources. Think South East Asia, Africa and South America. Some countries do it by mooching off other countries. Some countries do it by military intimidation. There are a lot of strategies.

    I happen to think that ethics-based multi-lateralism is the best method. Nato and Western Democratic values has been a great success, and recalibrated to make sure everyone pays their fair share is IMO preferable to every country for itself.

  14. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    I’ll ask again – so why are there no German Navy fleets allowed to establish in Boston Harbor? Wouldn’t that help them (or the French) to “survive and prosper independently of the rest of the world”?

    Anyone else here besides me and G think that 70 years is long enough in Korea?

  15. Jean says:

    You’ve got my argument backwards. Placing a navy in another country is not an act of independence, but of interdependence.

  16. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    you are right – I did have that part wrong. So I will ask, for Germany’s need for interdependence do we allow them to set up military operations in the USA – as we are set up in Germany?
    Why do we need to be there but they are not allowed to be here? Why don’t we stay at home and be on call and let them double or triple their fighting force to pick up the slack?

  17. Jean says:

    We can talk conceptually, but neither of us being experts in the field nor having access to all available information, classified and non-classified, we rely on others who have been called into the relevant vocations to answer those questions.

    In my opinion, the NATO build up of the 80s under Reagan, including positioning of American intermediate range nuclear missiles in Western Europe, was decisive in bringing about the collapse of the Soviet Union preserving peace in Europe.

    The risk of “stay[ing] at home and be on call,” is that Russia can pop in and take a piece of land, like Crimea or a piece of Georgia, before we could possibly react. This moves countries and peoples from potential markets, frieds and allies, to capital and labor used against us (or at least not being available to us).

    Why the German or French navy is not here is because we don’t need their ships here. We have two oceans as a buffer and naval resources that we perceive as adequate, plus our nuclear deterrent. However, would could IMO certainly use their (and other allies’) ships to help in other areas of the world.

    I am in favor of robust defense alliances where the commitment in dollars and manpower is more equitably shared than in the recent past. But I think it is disastrous for America in the long run to break our alliances with S. Korea, Japan, NATO, etc. for a loner or isolationist strategist. Hopefully, before the damage is irrevocable for Amerrica, we can remove the current disaster, President Bone Spurs, from office one way or another.

  18. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    The fact that we are almost 20 yrs into a worthless war in the Middle East – that benefits no one but the military industrial complex should be enough to warrant “we are going to sit out the next couple of wars.”
    Let the EU and Scandinavian countries fill the gap. (I know, the Scandinavians are probably a part of the EU). Let the Netherlands get their nose dirty in Crimea if that concerns you.

    But you are right, we don’t know all the backroom deals and payoffs etc that the USA entities make to keep all of these illegitimate wars going for more than our entire lifetimes.

  19. Duane Arnold says:

    Just for the sake of clarity, for decades the Scandinavian countries have done the “heavy lifting” when it comes to UN peacekeeping missions around the world. I know this as my wife was an executive with the UN agency tasked with training peacekeepers while we were in NYC…

  20. href="">Modern Warfare hack says:

    Just a general reminder — no names mentioned but you know who you are — that has been repeated before. The limit on the number of all-caps words in comments is THREE. If commenters continue to push the envelope on this rule (which avoids the appearance of you SHOUTING at others, I will delete the comment entirely.xIgnored

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