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  1. Jtk says:

    Do you think any of the victims will file civil lawsuits?

    I see all kinds of obstacles to criminal charges.

    Do you think 1 Corinthians 6 keeps such victims from suing PF? The burger joints?
    SHOULD it?

    I’ve considered these things and wondered what tou’d think?

    Ohhh and which bookstore?

  2. Michael says:

    JTK,

    Ken Sanders bookstore in Utah…I would love to be there tonight.
    Most of the victims in this case are up against really short statutes of limitations in Montana…it’s hard for me to see anything legal happening here unless the state initiates it.
    Should they sue if they can prove injury?
    Hell, yes.

  3. JM says:

    “But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal haters of good, treacherous reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God; holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; …” 2Timothy 3:1-5a, NASB

    “For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?” I Peter 4:17, NASB

    Part of the “judgment” is exposing the perps. In that, Michael, you have done a greater service than probably anyone knows. If these perps who are in leadership do not repent after being exposed for being excrement–God will surely take are of them in His time. They will wish they repented.

    If one goes further and decides that , though the PFM pretenders seemed to adhere to some kind of surface orthodoxy, if they still led people astray with a false orthopraxy, they may qualify for other types of judgement. (There’s the famous “millstone” line from one of Jesus’ discourses.) Then there is this:
    “and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.” 2 Peter 2:3, NASB

    These pieces of dung may seem to get away with things now and may even delude themselves that they did it all for God (the god of their belly?), but God will not be mocked. They will reap what they have sown and so will all those who enabled.

    I for one am praying that all the cockroaches at PFM will be forced out into the light as well as other leaders who were too lazy to do their due diligence.

  4. Kevin McCullers says:

    My first reaction is to say a hearty “Amen!” But then I realize how utterly horrified I would be if the truth about me was laid bare for all to see, or even just fully revealed to my own heart. So I’ll just shut up.

  5. JM says:

    Kevin–
    I see the dividing line as repentance.
    If you were to repent and diligently try to make up for your deeds, there would be no need to “out” you.

  6. pstrmike says:

    This is a great interview, and in its brevity cuts to the point. Bowden was a man of deep, sharp conviction. Whether such commitment is universal, or a mantle that the individual dawns, I do not know.

    There is some truth to the idea that if they can’t kill you, they learn to accept you, even if such acceptance is confined to the realm of the eccentric.

  7. Xenia says:

    Michael, I would like to take this opportunity to apologize to you for a ridiculous comment I made a few years ago about one of Bowden’s books. I think I said it was more of a “tone poem” than the kind of history I enjoy reading. That was a ridiculous thing for me to have said and I’ve cringed ever since when his name comes up.

  8. Michael says:

    Xenia,

    No offense taken.
    He’s not for everyone…but was a beacon for me…

  9. Kat says:

    I’m still pondering, and finishing, my first exposure to Bowden, “Down by the River”. I can’t even comprehend the sacrifices he made to obtain such minute details of the truth and corruption on our Mexican border. I am not a cynic, and even lived in a Mexican border city for a short time, but this book has enabled me to view the world with less naivete’, and gratitude that God is sovereign.

  10. Michael says:

    Kat,

    Took him seven years and bankrupted him…

  11. pstrmike says:

    In this interview, it is clear to me that Bowden understood the framework and accountability of charismata much better than many Christian leaders. The church has turned charismata into enterprise.

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