The Phoenix Preacher Podcast #4 Uncategorized Add comments Jun 062018 This week …I address the controversy around the Revoice Conference and why I don’t care… accusing an accuser… and other stuff… Revoice website The open letter to John Ortberg Related 29 Responses to “The Phoenix Preacher Podcast #4” Martin Luther's Disciple says: June 6, 2018 at 7:03 pm Michael, good program. 1.) I don’t care about revoice either – I don’t know who they are. 2.) I don’t know how you guys have so many religious radio and TV programs. We have one here. But the thing is Christian radio and TV do not have a target market of unbelievers. Christian radio / TV is nothing more than comfort food for Christians. Think about it – if your area had a Muslim or Jewish radio station, would you be tuning in to “seek” what they have for truth? It is similar to Christian evidential apolgetics ministries – they are all mental muscle building events for the already convinced. 3.) I agree with you on the Ortberg situation. There was a time that much of what is now being accused under the #metoo was very acceptable at the time – it was a time of naughty. Rape etc is another story. Michael says: June 6, 2018 at 7:29 pm MLD, Thank you…good points all the way around. The Christian radio guys call it mission work when they’re soliciting funds… 🙂 Dan from Georgia says: June 6, 2018 at 8:08 pm Those solicitations are called… Wait for it… Share-A-Thon! No matter where you go, that is what they call them. And I agree, Christian radio is basically for the saved. Nothing wrong with that btw. Back in the 1990s while I was in college a bunch of us Campus Crusade and InterVarsity Christian Fellowship friends got together to see DC Talk (the then-hottest Christian Hip Hop group in sight) appear on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno. I think alot of us were expecting some kind of revival to break out on national TV. Em says: June 6, 2018 at 11:29 pm churches aren’t growing because people aren’t joiners today – that is my theory – so maybe the question is, how do we make our churches community, rather than dues paying social clubs? dunno another theory is that young people might just respond to tough minded, honest, no pussy-footing around the Truths teaching today – grace is a beautiful thing, but it isn’t compromising… the era of nice may be stale …. and abused … dunno good, solid thinking broadcast, BTW Ten Must Listen to Podcasts 2018 – Flash Speaks says: June 7, 2018 at 2:59 am […] The Phoenix Preacher Podcast […] Martin Luther's Disciple says: June 7, 2018 at 5:28 am Is correct that the reason that the church has not grown is that the Millennials are not joiners. I use this as an example of a couple years ago with Angie’s List in that they had to go and become a free non joining site because the Millennials wouldn’t join to to get house repairs. Duane Arnold says: June 7, 2018 at 6:01 am Michael, Good podcast… On the Revoice conference, unfortunately homelessness, mental illness, poverty and drug abuse do not lend themselves to the same voyeurism as issues of sexuality… JoelG says: June 7, 2018 at 7:13 am “how do we make our churches community” My 2 cents… Make churches a place of rest. A place to sit in wonder of God’s majesty. A place to receive the means of grace from our Lord Jesus. Everything else will follow…. UnCCed says: June 7, 2018 at 8:05 am Again, your penchant for being honest and fair will be your downhall. : ) Your honest about for many of those in your immediacy this isn’t a primary issue and yet you’re fair in that you don’t twist Scripture on this issue, but you don’t see the need to jihad ON THIS SIN ONLY. It reminds me of a time 20 years when when we were in SoCal and “the church” was just starting to jihad about “the homos”…”ruining the family unit.” My wife and I didn’t have time to become involved in the homo jihad because we immediately and constantly jihaded upon because we were childless and “selfish” and “not trusting the the Lord” as the many sermons went by people who TALKED about all the blessings of having children, yet spent so much time pissed-off. By the way, my wifefaithfully taught preschool for 26 years (not that anyone gave a dam). NO ONE EVER CARED (3 states now) how sick my wife was and has remained, HOW LONG we spent trying to adopt, and the turmoil it caused us. Therefore, I too couldn’t give a dam whose doing what to who and won’t as long as “the church” cares more about how and when everyone’s having sex more than what Jesus majored on! I now find it ironic how many ministries are being exposed for sexual abuse of women and children SEEMED to care more about sex than anything else! How can people spend SO much time interrogating childless people about their sexual habits and jihading against “the homos” didn’t have enough time to notice the pedophiles and abusers of women in their midst!!! Yes, men and women literally and regularly asked me “well, are you trying” with regards to my wife and I having children, but not yet able. In my opinion, we (the church) deserve all these conferences, including those which outright twist or ignore Scripture. WE refuse to treat each other as Jesus commanded and the world sees this, so why in the world would anyone care about what we think?!!! Steve says: June 7, 2018 at 8:11 am I agree with Michael’s assessment on both topics. I would like to add that Jodi Walle also mentions Dallas Willard at the tail end of her open letter to John Ortberg. I find this fascinating since Dallas Willard has got to be one of the most overtly “works based” speakers, authors and philosophers ever. I clearly remember him speaking at John Ortberg’s conference that “only those that deserve to be saved will be saved”. The way I read this, none of us should be saved including Bill Hybels or John Ortberg. This is why theology matters and Dallas Willard’s was way off the mark there among many other areas. Martin Luther's Disciple says: June 7, 2018 at 9:24 am Joel G – you nailed it. That is the purpose of the church – a place of refuge. The purpose is to forgive sin, preach the word and properly administer the sacraments. It is not the place to right the wrongs of the world. All strife in the church comes from that source – how to handle the world and it’s issues. We need to butt out and take care of our own … like the early church did. Michael says: June 7, 2018 at 9:32 am Thanks for all the kind words folks… Em says: June 7, 2018 at 9:48 am yes, most definitely, yes, the Church is the place where sins are forgiven, where grace must be shown… but first we must learn how to stand against sin. So i must ask a question. We show God’s grace by not nailing the sinners who come thru the door, yet we cannot enable sin either. How do we gain the mature grace to do that? Is it the responsibility of the leadership to do this while the pew sitters sit down and just keep still? Judging and discerning are two different things altogether….. that much, i do know God keep Josh the Baptist says: June 7, 2018 at 10:17 am Page 1 – 100% Homerun. Killed it. Perfect take. Michael says: June 7, 2018 at 10:18 am Thanks, Josh. I had to re record that one a few times due to extreme crankiness… Josh the Baptist says: June 7, 2018 at 10:36 am Didn’t come off negative at all. Good tone – great point. Page #2 – I just don’t know much about. Not a big interst for me. Page #3 – Gave me chills. Yes!! It the Gospel isTHAT good! Page #4 – I have two new cats living in my house…They are teaching me spiritual lessons just yet 🙂 Michael says: June 7, 2018 at 10:38 am Josh, thanks again. Give the cats time…they may not be Baptists… 🙂 Josh the Baptist says: June 7, 2018 at 10:39 am I’ve thought about baptizing them … Michael says: June 7, 2018 at 10:40 am You will have that thought many times if your cats are anything like mine… Martin Luther's Disciple says: June 7, 2018 at 10:44 am On the other hand, I see the issue with homosexuality this way – it is the only sin I know of that is celebrated by our society. I wonder how many progressive pastors and their followers wouldn’t have a problem if congregants came to them and wanted participation or church involvement in an Adulterer’s Pride month? Anyone here not have an issue with the church joining society in honoring unmarrieds living together? But somehow we are to accept the honoring of same sex marriage and “gay” pride as, what should be say – welcoming? (at the very least, well we all sin.) I think Abortion Pride month may be next on the agenda. Michael says: June 7, 2018 at 10:52 am I don’t think it’s the only sin celebrated by society…but I get your point. Like i said though…I’m going to give it all the attention it deserves in my world…which is very little. Martin Luther's Disciple says: June 7, 2018 at 11:28 am Michael – I agree with not giving it much attention. I am just pointing out why it comes up and why it is important to some. About society, when I see abortion pride week I will think other sins are being celebrated — at least publicly. Some are still handled with a measure of shame. Josh the Baptist says: June 7, 2018 at 11:31 am MLD – I think you are behind the times on abortion. The old Democrat refrain of “safe, legal, and rare” is gone. People get down-right giddy speaking of abortion. The New Victor says: June 7, 2018 at 11:48 am A million, or anywhere close to that, ain’t rare. However, the number and rates of abortions have been steadily falling since 1980. Martin Luther's Disciple says: June 7, 2018 at 1:30 pm Josh, most people do not brag about their own personal abortion. Steve says: June 7, 2018 at 3:01 pm I”m wondering if Ephesians 5:12 is applicable to the gay agenda today? I’m just asking the question. “It is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret.” However in today’s culture, its not shameful at all to mention homosexuality. I harken back to the days of “don’t ask don’t” tell in public discourse. The secret life of the homosexual no longer exits simply because the pride of being gay is so overwhelmingly strong that no one coming out of the closet needs to worry about public shame. Its good to expose the fruitless deeds of the darkness since everything will become visible with the light which is Christ himself. If there is no longer shame with sin, what is there to expose? And if there is nothing to expose, what is Paul talking about with these secret sins? In the beginning of Chapter 5 it talks about not even having a hint of sexual immorality. Does that include homosexuality or is he referring to other secret sins that can’t even be mentioned here? Josh the Baptist says: June 7, 2018 at 4:08 pm MLD – you’d be surprised. I’d link to videos but they are sickening. Martin Luther's Disciple says: June 7, 2018 at 4:22 pm Josh, my point is that if a church confronted an adulterer about his adultery, at least if he admitted it he would repent. Now he may be a dog and return to his vomit and do it again, but very few are “in your face” about it. You name the sin and most will feel guilt, shame and some form of repentance. The homosexual is not – in fact he will sue you if you say he is (at least I think we will see defamation suits in the near future. Now the sad part on the church part is that they no longer want to call out people’s sin. How a pastor continues to commune an open and know unrepentant sinner is beyond me. But that seems to be the new church credo – don’t ask, don’t tell. Josh the Baptist says: June 7, 2018 at 4:25 pm Yeah, I get you. Leave a Reply Cancel replyYou must be logged in to post a comment. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.