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  1. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Like many who “have Jesus” the elders and chief priests don’t realize that they have a tiger by the tail.

  2. JoelG says:

    “Confession?” – Yes I believe so. Amazing Grace

  3. Michael says:

    “How will Jesus reign over this everlasting kingdom? In a bloody death.”
    How do we act as His representatives on this earth…the same way.

    Our death to self may not be graphically violent, but it is still the way a Christian conquers.

  4. JoelG says:

    “Our death to self may not be graphically violent, but it is still the way a Christian conquers.”

    Lord help us die to ourselves, despite confusion, doubts, fears, reminders of past sins and struggles with present sins, help us to remember to have the faith of the Centurian and rest in your forgiveness.

  5. John 20:29 says:

    I don’t think that Judas ever recognized Jesus as God… Judas had seen manifestations of Jesus’ power and Judas was tired of waiting for Jesus to make His move – to take over…
    His declaration of having betrayed innocent blood is intriguing … Was Judas just ambitious? Was he unable to accept his miscalculation? Was his remorse directed at his sinful act or was it directed at the colossal failure of his scheming?
    Granted, I am extrapolating like crazy, but the idea that Judas was just tired of following a celebrity preacher and decided to get him killed? It just doesn’t add up for me. … dunno, tho do I ? ?

  6. John 20:29 says:

    John the Baptist declared that he must decrease, but Jesus must increase…
    It isn’t a perfect application of John’s words, I know… but I think that is how we grow in Christ… “Confess (our sin) and move on” is a phrase that I’ve grown to love… we need to make Christ our focus – IMV – because IF we focus too much on our own shortcomings and disappointments, we won’t be able to concentrate on the One Celebrity of the Universe and grow more like Him – more focused on this plan of God, that we’ve been blessed to enter into…

    Just pondering … again … ?

  7. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    I find it funny that for the past several weeks I have been trying to make the point that Jesus is doing everything involved in his passion alone. Whatever the prophecies said must come to pass – Jesus makes them come to pass. That whatever he told disciples they would go through, we watch Jesus go through it first alone.

    But if we look at the comments, it seems that we all want to change the narrative from what Jesus is doing to what we should be doing. This is the great confusion between the law and the gospel – not being able to sit and rest in the “done” of Jesus.

  8. John 20:29 says:

    Well, MLD, keep repeating… The difficult part is “rest” – life and our old sin nature (whatever label, one choses for it) just isn’t very restful… It is difficult to focus on the cross, the finished work accomplished there, as day to day life isn’t very restful…

  9. Michael says:

    There are multiple narratives here, just as there are multiple aspects to the atonement.
    One of the more neglected aspects is that Jesus set examples for us to follow in this life.
    This is where the strict law/Gospel rubric breaks down…we are commanded to do while recognizing that Jesus has also already done.

    It’s another tension we learn to live with.

  10. John 20:29 says:

    Michael, sometimes I think we can lose truth in trying to hang onto our theological interpretations…
    We cannot do anything to justify one’s self before God… but attempting to honor Him after believing and accepting what God accomplished at the crucifixion seems a given – attempting to follow Chris’s example in our daily conduct – emphasis on attempt – seems to me to be a no brainer… dunno. …?…

  11. Michael says:

    Em,
    There are no air tight hermeneutics or systematic theologies, just air tight people who hold to them… 🙂

  12. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    It may just be me. I don’t see the Christian to do list in the passion narratives at all. I do see Jesus pretty much telling the disciples “hold my beer and watch what I can do.” 🙂

  13. Michael says:

    There is more to the Scriptures than the passion narrative…

  14. Duane Arnold says:

    #13 Michael

    “Then Jesus told his disciples, ‘If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.’ “

  15. Michael says:

    Duane…exactly.

  16. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    “There is more to the Scriptures than the passion narrative…”

    Wait a minute – we are discussing this passage which is part of the greater passion narrative.
    My point is that people get very agitated when you speak of and advise folks to rest for a moment in the finished work of Jesus before saying “enough about Jesus – look what I can do.”

    If you guys are comfortable slipping law into a gospel passage, go right ahead – but as I said above that is a major confusion.

  17. Michael says:

    MLD,

    Jesus told us to pick up our crosses and follow Him, then showed us how . I don’t care about the category…

  18. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    The Bible speaks of creation also – and it is all true, but it doesn’t apply to this passage either.

    I would love to hear your Easter message.

  19. Jean says:

    Two observations here:

    “Our death to self may not be graphically violent, but it is still the way a Christian conquers.”

    I don’t know what you mean by “conquers”. The death to self is the work of God the Holy Spirit hammering on the old man through the Word. The Christian is passive in God’s alien work of mortifying the old man. Theologians refer to this as monergism.

    “This is where the strict law/Gospel rubric breaks down…we are commanded to do while recognizing that Jesus has also already done.”

    The Law/Gospel hermeneutic does not break down. Lutherans believe that Jesus is an example. We believe that renewal by the Holy Spirit renews the will of the Christian to be in harmony with the will of God. Jesus as an example functions as a guide in what good works God has for us. But clearly Jesus as an example is not part of atonement. How do we know this? We know this because Jesus is only an example for disciples (i.e., those who are justified by faith). Therefore, Jesus as an example cannot be an element of atonement.

    What Rome and Calvinists have a problem with is that the word “ought” or “must” does not mean “can.” The only command that Christians are required to do is believe in Christ, and even the fulfillment of that command is the work of God. We must insist that before God, nothing can be added to faith.

    We must have faith that the Spirit will rule our wills to the honor of his name, but must never add that to the article of justification.

    Savvy?

  20. Michael says:

    I get it…words don’t really mean what they mean in every other context. One of the big reasons I no longer identify with strict Reformed theology.

  21. Jean says:

    Michael,

    First, let me say, hello; peace be with you.

    Words mean what they say. Did you notice that Peter tried to do what Jesus said. If the Rock couldn’t, by his own strength, can you or I?

    The massive commands of Jesus mean and do what they say: They destroy our holiness; they damn us; they crucify us. Only by killing our self-righteousness can Jesus raise a new man and send the Holy Spirit into our heart to renew us.

    The problem of the human being is not wanting to be a creature, but wanting to be like God. Jesus say “no”! He likes us as creatures; he wants us to be image bearers. But not gods.

  22. John 20:29 says:

    Jean’s explanation was a little hard for me to follow, but I kept thinking as I read #19 of an observation from my childhood – I went clear thru school with the same kids… I realized early on that some people are just naturally pleasanter, more virtuous than others…
    I don’t think our “rest” is dependent on our performance – don’t think anyone here does – but if one is judging their walk with the Lord by how nice they are, they’ve missed the point of our spiritual growth – the renewing of our mind is the goal and is – I think Jean mentioned it – our growth is very tied in to the study of the Word… dunno … again

  23. Michael says:

    Jean,

    Good afternoon.
    I fully understand the Lutheran position.
    I just don’t accept it.
    The fact that I continually fail at being a good parent, pastor, person doesn’t remove my responsibility to try.
    It’s not a question of salvation, but obedience in light of being saved.
    I must go on now… church is about to start and I must flog them with the law. 🙂

  24. Jean says:

    Michael,

    I hope you have a blessed service.

    When you get back, consider this:

    “The fact that I continually fail at being a good parent, pastor, person doesn’t remove my responsibility to try.”

    You know what being a good parent, pastor and person looks like because of God’s Word.

    You want and trie to be good… because you have the Spirit dwelling in you.

    You know when you fail, because God’s Word shows you your sin.

    You repent of your failure and your Father forgives you for the sake of His Son.

    Your conscience is clean, because your sins are forgiven.

    Repeat….

    The Christian life.

  25. Duane Arnold says:

    I keep looking for the secret decoder ring that says plainly spoken words mean one thing here and another there… Until I buy my next cereal box, I think I’ll stick with what Jesus says.. “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.”

  26. John 20:29 says:

    “Take up his cross…” those are words to ponder… It isn’t the timber of His physical crucifixion …
    To what extent do the words: ” not my will, but Thine be done” define iit? accepting burdens, avoiding self promotion… etc… ? We do need to be prudent, responsible… even while, like Michael observes #23 – we will always fall short… ? …

  27. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Well, since words mean what they say – Duane, will you post a photo of you with your wooden cross Arthur Blessit style?

    But you miss the point. This passage of scripture is so jam packed with Jesus being Jesus and doing the things that only Jesus can do – and not a peep of amazing grace comments. No, we are so familiar that we blow by it to get to the familiar evangelical talking points – which are always about the Christian and not about the Christ.

  28. John 20:29 says:

    “…always about the Christian and not about the Christ” if those are the familiar evangelical talking points, then we need some better teachers – maybe, better said, we need to look for better teachers as, I suspect, those teachers are out there even now

  29. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Em, do you remember Arthur Blessitt? I used to love that guy.

  30. John 20:29 says:

    Was he the fella that traveled around the country dragging a very large wooden cross? If it was a conversation starter, maybe we more Arthurr Bs out there today – course I doubt that he had blood streaming down his face from thorrn punctures or a back that was shredded from a whip…
    It is scary to think how much hatred and contempt God submitted to in order to accomplish the payment in full of man’s sin debt to God… Equally scary to realize what man is capable of to gain or hold onto power
    The wisdom of the crowd… ?

  31. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Em, yes that’s him. I always thought of him as one of the good guys – but haven’t thought much of him for years.Had to check out if he was even still alive.

    http://www.blessitt.com/the-cross-chapter-7/
    I grabbed his book off my shelf last night and thumbed through it in bed.

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