The Weekend Word

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  1. Em ... again says:

    “11 Truly, I say to you, among those born of women there has arisen no one greater than John the Baptist. Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.”

    i appreciate (& agree) that John did not/could not enter into the Kingdom as our Lord had yet to establish it… but do Lutherans deny the new birth? i think so… not sure…
    this second birth is greater than anything that could be bestowed on any man since the fall of Adam (& Eve)… even us simple minded evangelicals have this status- my question is… do we appreciate this fact?
    i get too caught up in my imprisonment, my earthly constraints – like my toothache today

  2. dusty says:

    Em, sorry you aren’t feeling well. Praying for your tooth praying for you.

  3. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Em, “but do Lutherans deny the new birth? i think so… not sure…”

    Curious question – why would you think Lutherans deny the new birth?

  4. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    My 5th bullet under v.4 should read – “John also understood that Jesus is the Lamb unto God who is off to slaughter “

  5. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Back to last week 2 reasons why I think Jesus and John are using a teaching technique on John’s disciples;
    1.) Jesus did not go to John and say something like “Cuz, what’s up? Don’t you remember all you learn, experienced and taught yourself?”
    2.) The way he speaks with such confidence about how strong John is.

  6. Babylon's Dread says:

    This is a great and seminal passage.

    1. John is the offended one demonstrating that even he did not quite understand the kingdom. Jesus gives him a pretty sharp rebuke. Explaining the kingdom in terms of destroying the curse of death itself.
    2. Jesus refuses to allow the offense of John to tarnish him in the eyes of others. He does not want them blinded by offense. This is the opposite of how we treat people in our day who misunderstand a matter and react badly. We want them destroyed lest we lose followers to them. Jesus will not allow it.
    3. The passage about the kingdom suffering violence … very misunderstood and I am not sure I get it either. I think this is simply a statement that violence has come now that the kingdom is proclaimed. The kingdom of this world much react in violence and do everything possible to seize it away. We see elsewhere that Jesus withdraws to Galilee because it is not yet his time to suffer violence himself.
    4. And yes John is Elijah and signals things to come.

  7. Em ... again says:

    thank you, dusty … prayers felt, it’s let up a bit – why do these things always on weekends? 🙂

    #3- well, then, MLD i am confused… you do believe, do you not that anyone can “fall away” from acceptance of salvation and may or may not seek restoration?
    if that is so, then is it the timing of the new birth (not in this life) or the definition of new birth, i.e., not the same as eternal life?
    for my part if you are born again, it is an eternal life that you’ve gotten and that life is rooted and grounded in Christ in the here and now…
    making allowances for all kinds of unsuccessful gestations as defined in the seed parables and the fact that some of us are rooted more deeply, accepting pruning and bearing fruit more bountifully…
    but weak or strong, once that plant is established it is an eternal life begun now and headed for whatever God has prepared – now and forever…
    perhaps, it’s just word pictures that confuse us… perhaps, those who fall away and are restored are seen by some as recipients of God’s faithful care, and by others as happily re-trying the walk… but it’s all by the grace of God …. dunno, tho – do i 🙂

  8. Em ... again says:

    at any rate, the question of John’s faith wavering? i don’t think so, he’s just confused at how things are playing out – and i see your point that Jesus did use the scenario as a great teaching tool for them and us, eh? interesting how little we avail ourselves of the teaching… how few we have today to teach us the walk… it is not a “seeker friendly” walk… hmmm that may have started out with the best of intentions to present the Faith as a friendly one available to all who will believe, but then degraded into presenting the prosperity gospel which too many may have bought into as a result of the recent prosperous times, which i think are behind us now…

    FWIW – not much, but it makes the point:
    i actually heard a pastor (yep a Calvary Chapel guy) on the radio one time extolling the virtue of his teenage daughter who’d forgone her regular trips to the beauty salon to serve south of the border… and he wasn’t joking

  9. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Em,
    1.) we do believe in the new birth and do it exactly as Jesus said we gain that new birth – by water and the spirit (combined together, that equals Christian baptism.)
    2.) Let’s look at the parable – “The seed falling on rocky ground refers to someone who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. 21 But since they have no root, they last only a short time.”
    a.) you will see that the seed is given AND received – that is a big deal – but look at what it says next “they last only a short time.” We do not know what a short time is – it may be 40 yrs compared to eternity, but the point is that they last for a period of time – lasted at what? Salvation.
    3.) What do you say to the warning passages and about those who have shipwrecked their faith? I think the language is simple enough to saying that some have fallen away and the warning is to believers (because you don’t need to warn an unbeliever not to fall away from something they do not have).

    An add on point, I do not believe one can lose their salvation of have it taken away – for the one who believes, they cannot sin it away — not even Hitler if he ever had it. But people do walk away.

  10. Em ... again says:

    #9- yes, the seed is received – but is the seed the gospel or is it eternal life, itself? i think it is the gospel, they taste, but eventually it gives them indigestion – bad analogy

    at any rate – good teaching again

    God keep

  11. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Em,
    I agree with you about John’s faith. I think his faith was strong. This is a guy who knows his OT and as it says in 11:2 “Now when John heard in prison about the deeds of the Christ…” I think the bells went off and (1) he is asking for confirmation and (2) he wants his disciples to hear it first hand from Jesus.

    John heard of the works of Jesus and hearing that it lines up to what Isaiah has called for. John is one tough dude – remember what he is in prison for – telling President Trump he hasthe morals of an alley cat (sorry for the insult alley cats).

  12. dusty says:

    Em glad you have some relief. ..praying still that you can get in right away to get it looked at and fixed.

    BTW loving your words of wisdom over the past few days. Gods best for you sweet lady.

  13. dusty says:

    Dixie bread said,” John is Elijah”

    I did not know that! Will have to re-read this again maybe i knew and forgot…so good to stay fresh in the Bible!

  14. Jean says:

    “Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.”

    Jesus gives us insight into what he meant in chapter 13:16-17:

    “But blessed are your eyes, for they see, and your ears, for they hear. 17 For truly, I say to you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.”

    These are the disciples who are given to understand the parables that Jesus teaches. This doesn’t mean that John was not saved, along with other OT saints, but, like them he was only given the promise of the coming kingdom and did not share in it during his lifetime.

    The issues of salvation, regeneration, new birth, OSAS are not at issue in this text. There is ample evidence to conclude John was saved.

  15. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    In fact in John 14 Jesus says that we will do greater works than he did.

    “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I am going to the Father.”

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