The Wit and Wisdom of Saeed Abedini

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  1. Babylon's Dread says:

    Tell Saeed that when Jezebel runs into a real prophet she will no longer be a problem.

  2. Michael says:

    BD,

    Good point. 🙂

    I wonder why these guys never speak of the “spirit of Ahab”….

  3. Jean says:

    Michael,

    Is “spirit of Jezebel” a term Saeed coined or is that a common term in evangelical circles? Could you explain it to me? (p.s. I am quite familiar with the Jezebel of the OT)

  4. Michael says:

    Jean,

    It’s unfortunately quite common in charismatic circles…usually invoked when a pastor doesn’t like a woman in the congregation…

  5. Josh the Baptist says:

    I’ve heard it in charismatic churches.

  6. Michael says:

    Basically, it says that someone is acting out the personality attributes of the biblical Jezebel…it’s a quick way to shut females up in those circles.

  7. Jean says:

    I’m glad I asked because I was thinking idolatry, false gods, maybe demonic attack, but actually he is using Jezebel as a simple insult of a woman(en). He’s even more shallow than I gave him credit for. That doesn’t seem like a very Christian way for a pastor to speak about sisters in Christ. Is Saeed still a pastor?

  8. Michael says:

    Jean,

    In some charismatic circles there’s a “spirit” to blame for everything from gluttony to sexual sin.

    Saeed himself is afflicted with the “spirit of asshattery”… exorcism is needed.

  9. Rob says:

    Charisma Mag news site has an endless list of articles on Jezebel. (Obviously one of their editors has a morbid fascination with the subject.) It frankly comes across as nothing but pure superstition to me.

  10. Michael says:

    Saeed is a pastor… he spent the money and they sent him a paper.
    He has no congregation and is accountable to no one…but he’s a pastor.

    That’s why I prefer to be called “Bishop” Michael from now on…

  11. Josh the Baptist says:

    Michael beat me to it.

  12. Jean says:

    “That’s why I prefer to be called “Bishop” Michael from now on”

    Let’s see…B.M.

    That has a certain ring to it. 🙂

  13. Michael says:

    Rob,

    I agree…it’s pure nonsense.

  14. Michael says:

    Jean,

    I’ve tried and failed to get the title for years…it has a better ring than “apostle”…

  15. Xenia says:

    I have secretly wondered if so much of the vitriol against the female candidate coming from certain corners has more to do with the fact that she’s a woman than anything else.

    (I realize she does not have a stellar character.)

  16. Michael says:

    My church agrees with the B.M. part… 🙂

  17. Michael says:

    Xenia,

    I have no doubt…and I’ll say it out loud.
    I don’t think it would matter to some if her character was akin to the Virgin Mary…

  18. Xenia says:

    I didn’t realize this Jezebel accusation was common among certain people. That explains why, when I was mildly complaining about a certain person in my life who is a very decent woman, the person I was talking to began babbling about the spirit of Jezebel and how I needed to do some rebuking. I had no idea this was common. Good grief.

  19. Al says:

    Excellent.

    Top grade Michael Newnham concise and accurate taking-the-blog-woodshed.

    The Truth is like a sword. Well done. #DontPaySaeed

  20. Al says:

    taking-TO-the-blog-woodshed

  21. Em ... again says:

    i think (yes, sometimes i do that) Saeed is far more Imam than pastor…
    is that to his discredit? is he not teachable? … or is it to the discredit of his mentors – those who are tasked with bringing him along in Christ? … is he wrong? yes … but is he just ignorant of the gap between the O.T. upon which his muslim roots draw and the N.T. gospel of Faith and grace? or is he an unteachable fraud, pure and simple?… i think i don’t know what to think…
    but he ain’t gettin’ none of my money… send those twenty bucks to Michael 🙂

  22. Michael says:

    “an unteachable fraud, pure and simple?…”

    Yes.

  23. Babylon's Dread says:

    Ah the “spirit of Jezebel” … yes it is as common as accusing some wag of gossip every time they complain in Bible churches. It is about as effective too.

    Basically when you accuse people they react to you as if you are the devil … so it escalates.

    At my church when someone brings it up I tell them to stuff it back in. I always say just go pick a fight. Any fight you wage to solve a problem with the hope of getting closer to the person is useful. Fights intended to distance yourself usually get you shot in the back.

    But ole Jezebel lives in the psyche and worldview of the glossalalists

  24. Dan from Georgia says:

    The accusation of Jezebel…aka mansplaining

  25. Jeff Sheckstein says:

    None of you guys are qualified to use or are entitled to use the title, “Bishop.” To the best of my knowledge regarding scripture, the only person allowed the use of that title is Steven Bishop. I know for a fact he’d claim it, but he has been preoccupied with finding Blutarsky so that he can get compensated for his smashed guitar.

  26. Tracey says:

    “Charisma Mag news site has an endless list of articles on Jezebel. (Obviously one of their editors has a morbid fascination with the subject.) It frankly comes across as nothing but pure superstition to me.”

    That would be Charisma Mag’s editor Jennifer Leclaire. She wrote a book on it.

  27. Muff Potter says:

    These guys (Graham, Abedini, Grudem, Driscoll, et. al.) really are terrified of women aren’t they?

  28. Potatoehead says:

    The Jezebel spirit was introduced in a book by by Reverend Francis Frangipane (Author) in his book “The Three Battle Grounds.”

    The book first appeared in 1989.

    Francis got the idea and term from a man called Apostle John Robert Stevens, in South Gate, Los Angeles, when he was involved with a church of John’s called “The Walk.”

    The fringe of Charismatic types identify situations with spirits that have been given names that correspond with the common elements of the particular situations.

    Jezebel lorded it over Ahab. Therefore any woman who is overbearing would be told that she has a “Jezebel spirit.”

    Any woman who dressed well and takes care of herself in diet and exercise who drew attention of men in church because she was good looking would be told that she had a “Jezebel spirit.”

    This is serious, it has happened and does happen in churches.

    I know of one lady that Calvary Chapels school of ministry told this to.

  29. Jean says:

    Potatohead,

    “I know of one lady that Calvary Chapels school of ministry told this to.”

    Told this to as in the lady had that spirit?

    That’s what I would classify as abuse.

  30. Potatoehead says:

    Oh ya the abused her.

    They would not gradate her and told her that she had a Jezebel spirit.”

    Being very wealthy, deep pockets,her husband threatened to sue Calvary Chapel.

    They backed down real quick and graduated her.

    She and one other lady were the first ever to graduate as women from that school.

    Both are now ordained by CC because of the threat of a lawsuit that CC did not want and couldn’t sustain against Mr.Deep Pockets.

    Won’t say the ladies last names but their first names are Massey and Donna.

    The only female ordained ministers of Calvary Chapel 🙂

  31. Michael says:

    I know lots of ladies that heard that from a CC…

  32. Jean says:

    CC has some real ugliness in its culture based on a number of stories shared here.

  33. Michael says:

    You missed most of it…should have been here 10 years ago…

    Some are fine…some others, not so fine as my new lead story shows.

  34. Potatoehead says:

    It truly is sad Michael.

    Shepherds should never drive away sheep.

    Instead they are to tend to their needs as examples to the flock.

    Calvary chapel developed a religious attitude ( dare I say a religious spirit ) around 1972 that only got worse and worse over the years.

    Abuse in so many areas erupted.

    Al has pointed out some of the areas on his blog with accuracy.

    One of the reasons your blog initially grew was because you were willing to give the CC abused a voice here.

    And you had a lot of CC pastors who showed up and shared here until their pope (Moses) declared you and your blog to be off limits…

  35. Babylon's Dread says:

    Just for the record I have run into a few that could give Jez a run

    However,

    I used the term just once when I was about 24 as a joke… it turned out bad. She wasn’t and i was really kidding but it was a big mistake. She was hurt and I was ashamed. We worked it out. I’ve never been tempted to apply the moniker even where it was merited

  36. Michael says:

    Potatoehead,

    The greatest gift we were ever given was when Chuck and Greg Laurie told people not to read this blog at a pastors conference.
    The pastors went to lunch and crashed our server trying to get on…

  37. Potatoehead says:

    I admit the controversy of your blog drew me here way back when.

    Just couldn’t leave because there are some truly great individuals here.

    And in one sense it is a Seinfeld episode with some of the characters who pop in and out now and then.

    The threads can get lively and interesting.

    The catalytic combination between some of the regulars is great!

  38. Michael says:

    Back in the day they said we wouldn’t last.
    40 whiners, they said.
    We’ve outlasted some of them now…and it’s because of the great people that honor us with their presence.
    I’ve been blessed…

  39. Tracey says:

    After having spent some time in a NAR church, where the senior leader (he was very clear he was not a pastor), declared himself an apostle, I prefer the title Apostle Supreme Shepherd. Much better acronym than BM, don’t you think?

  40. Michael says:

    Tracey,

    I think you have topped us all… 🙂

  41. Tracey says:

    Jezebel Spirit. Religious Spirit. Spiritual baseball bats aimed at the heads of the sheep and used to control them. I encountered those labels a lot in a NAR church.

  42. filbertz says:

    Divine Instiller of Christian Knowledge

  43. Michael says:

    fil,

    I’m speechless…that was wondrous. 🙂

  44. Tracey says:

    filbertz,

    HAHAHA!! What’s even funnier is there are a few “leaders” running around who would LOVE that title!!

  45. filbertz says:

    Tracey,
    …and I’d be happy to address them as such. I guess I’m a tad toxic these days.

  46. Tracey says:

    filbertz,

    Of course, there are also the ones who like to put Dr in front of their titles…even better 😁

  47. Nonnie says:

    I hope you don’t mind I post this here. Saeed’s statement reminded me of this:

  48. Julie Anne says:

    This is so good, Michael. LOL

    “Saeed himself is afflicted with the “spirit of asshattery”… exorcism is needed.”

  49. Tracey says:

    I saw on Facebook today there is a “Prophets For Trump” page. Someone had posted a picture of Trump this morning with the words, “Jehu is coming for you Jezebel.” At least they aren’t calling him David again. That was in Dutch Sheet’s latest article. If Trump is David, etc., why can’t Hillary be Mary Magdalene?

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