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  1. Jean says:

    “6. I think a lot about the presence and purpose of angels…”

    While you’re still in a good mood:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqDjMZKf-wg

    🙂

  2. Michael says:

    Jean,

    Not exactly what I was saying… 🙂

  3. Jean says:

    Michael,

    In other news, I heard from Chad Bird, who lives in TX and is reliable, that Lady Gaga warmed up her voice on Sunday singing the liturgy in an Episcopal Church in Houston Sunday morning.

  4. Michael says:

    Jean,

    I saw that…she’s a little out there for me, but she’s unique and talented…and from all accounts a very decent person.

  5. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    “4. In a completely divided country it is idiotic to proclaim that your view represents “we the people”… ”

    I think you greatly underrate the middle – the vast majority of people who just don’t give a crap one way or the other — and they move on with their life. I know so many people who scratch their heads and say “what is this lunatic fringe doing?”

    Almost all of this is happening online and not in real life.I don’t know about you folks, but not a single person brought up politics today … in my life – in real life.

  6. Captain Kevin says:

    Great “Things” Michael! Re: #9, I’m not in a hurry. All that angst isn’t good for your health, which is more important than our entertainment.

  7. Captain Kevin says:

    Would like to read your thoughts on the presence and purpose of angels. I have to admit that I don’t think much about the topic.

  8. Michael says:

    CK,

    I might write that up someday…

  9. Xenia says:

    the vast majority of people who just don’t give a crap one way or the other <<<<

    I have not met one of these people this year. I've met them in the past, but not this year, everyone I meet has a very strong opinion, one way or the other.

    1. On the Meals on Wheels route, all the shut-ins have taken a side.
    2. In the horticulture class, almost 100 percent are against the current administration.
    3. In the nature preserve where I am a docent, people can't wait to give me their opinion about the current admin's views on the environment.
    4. At the produce stand where I help out, they all wore Bernie buttons last summer and are quite vociferous about the current admin.
    5. At Church I am afraid to open my mouth at coffee hour about anything other than recipes and garden hints because it's a very opinionated bunch, some Putin/Trump lovers and some Ukraine lovers and Putin haters.
    6. My neighbors all have strong opinions, too. As do ALL my relatives.

    No, I have not met this vast middle of the road group MLD is talking about.

  10. Babylon's Dread says:

    Candidly, we had a Super Bowl party. We preplanned to exit the halftime show. We watched a video of coach Dungy’s testimony. The forewarnings of political or politically correct halftime shenanigans did not pan out but they did factor into our not watching. I feel no regret nor will I be shamed by not wanting to watch it.

    Gaga was likely gagged if not, good for her. I do not think her incapable of good or noble expression but I do not have to watch it. They always tell us that we don’t have to watch if we don’t want to. So there it is. Nobody wins nobody loses.

    Offense is a big deal and we do well to avoid it as often as possible. There definitely is plenty of offense going around right now.

  11. Xenia says:

    I find a lot of modern entertainment to be offensive, so I just avoid it and am therefore, not offended. Easy peasy.

  12. JoelG says:

    “Offense is a big deal and we do well to avoid it as often as possible.”

    Wise words. I second Captain Kevin’s interest in more of your thoughts on #6 for the same reason.

  13. Dan from Georgia says:

    Even though the Super Bowl LI result was unfortunate in my eyes, I thought it was a great game and my proverbial hat is off to Tom Brady and the Patriots.

  14. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Perhaps there is a greater divide than I experience. Xenia lives in the angry village and the Babs clan hides from the likes of Lady Gaga… who may bring the views of the angry village into the pastor’s living room.

  15. Michael says:

    I hear about it every day when I pick up Trey…he’s learned to cuss like the old man. 🙂

    The kids are talking about politics all the time…

  16. Xenia says:

    Most of my non-church related activities involve natural history/ organic gardening and providing food for poor folks. This sort of work seems to attract liberals with strong views on the environment and on poverty. Not only do they have opinions, they get out and work. People who don’t care don’t volunteer so that’s probably why I don’t see many apathetic people throughout the week.

  17. Xenia says:

    That doesn’t explain the conversations I overhear in the grocery store, though…..

  18. Scooter Jones says:

    #9 LOL. Don’t let us down, we’re counting on you 😉

    Gaga doesn’t appeal to me much, so I watched a half hour rerun of family fued while enjoying a slice ( or 2) of red velvet cake instead.

  19. Xenia says:

    Scooter, I do not understand your #18.

  20. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Xenia, I am speaking of that great middle that don’t pay attention to the Trump dust up. Your environmentalist friends have always had their panties in a wad. You Russian friends have always had strong opinions about Putin and Ukraine. The Trump stuff just gives them excuse to be loud again.

  21. Scooter Jones says:

    Xenia, I’m referring to Michael’s #9 on his list.

  22. Xenia says:

    Except, MLD, all my old friends from my Calvary Chapel days have been busily posting their strong opinions on FB. In fact, I would be extremely surprised to find any one of that 500 member* congregation that didn’t have a strong opinion on the current situation.

    * not “members” exactly but you know what I mean….

  23. Babylon's Dread says:

    MLD,

    I am more coarse than you and Gaga put together.

    But I am hypocritical enough to can Gaga and carry on my bravado

    I don’t know what the angry village is but I will not turn the water on when they burn it down.

    Dreaded Dread

  24. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Xenia, but those same 500 “members” were strongly opinionated in the past – abortion – same sex marriage etc.

  25. John 20:29 says:

    #10 – “Offense is a big deal and we do well to avoid it as often as possible.” kind of like the Falcons in the last quarter? ….. sorry

    item 3 – sane people are gagging ON political views and on politics, too
    item 6 – do angels like us? or do they wonder what God sees in us? i’m so glad that the good ones do what God sends them to do and i request lots of them for lots of people from time to time
    item 7 – hearing that Michael enjoyed Sunday afternoon is music to my ears (i did too as i really didn’t care who won, but kinda sorta rooted for Atlanta)
    item 8 – maybe that was a sting operation? one can hope…
    item 9 – stay the course, let others do outrage now
    item 10 – well… Jesus IS Lord, isn’t He? 🙂

  26. Steve Wright says:

    In addition to the sadness expressed to those looking for political outrage from Gaga and disappointed, make sure we note the sadness, coupled with frustration and cheap shots expressed at Gaga herself from the left. Forget hunting through twitter and facebook feeds, you can read them in articles published today by the LA Times, Variety, Billboard, Washington Post…..there is nothing quite like a liberal scorned.

  27. Michael says:

    I’ve never understood the hype and angst around Tim Tebow…but he’s proven to be one class act.

    His high school coach ended up at our local university and sadly, passed away recently.

    Tebow came all the way out here for the memorial service and represented himself and his old coach well.

    https://www.facebook.com/RRZ.SOU/

  28. Steve says:

    Decency is a relative word. Remember a previous post where Carl Trueman was expounding on the Apostles Paul’s requirements for an elder. If I recall right, his conclusions boiled down to common decency. Curious, would anyone here want lady Gaga being their pastor?

  29. dusty says:

    Michael #9 at the top

    So happy for you! That is a good thing and good for your health…keep it up!

    Take your time getting angry again 🙂

  30. Noelle says:

    Quite possibly my favorite “Things” in the history of ever.
    PS~ Angels. Yes.

  31. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    All this talk of Angels reminds me – 7 days until pitchers and catchers report.

    http://www.springtrainingcountdown.com/#sthash.qsNQnTmx.iIikbIBY.dpbs

    Bigger than all of the election / immigration talk… at least in the real world.

  32. Seigfried says:

    Game was rigged, Fox called the final 12 minutes early, White was down at the 1. Lady Gaga was the best part of the game.

  33. Seigfried says:

    #8

    That is surprising seeing as how you live in Oregon…?? Even the livestock in Oregon is progressive, no? Leftists embedded in KKK?

  34. Siggy says:

    Lady Gaga is talented and may warm her voice doing Episcopal liturgy… But she still attends Luciferian art shows, parties, and eats dessert off a naked woman symbolized as bathing in her menstrual issue. For me, good show, not worthy of my respect for her by any means. Robert Johnson was probably the best blues guitarist ever, but his art cost him his soul.

  35. ( |o )====::: says:

    “Robert Johnson was probably the best blues guitarist ever, but his art cost him his soul.”

    um, no

  36. ( |o )====::: says:

    “The musicologist Alan Lomax dismissed the myth, stating, ‘In fact, every blues fiddler, banjo picker, harp blower, piano strummer and guitar framer was, in the opinion of both himself and his peers, a child of the Devil, a consequence of the black view of the European dance embrace as sinful in the extreme'”
    Wikipedia

  37. Michael says:

    G-Man,

    Thank you.
    All the early rockers lived under the fear that they were playing the devil’s music and were condemning themselves to hell.

    Jerry Lee Lewis is desperately trying to save his soul now by being good…

  38. Siggy says:

    Could be both. You can take a third party’s perspective, or the word of the poet. The tale is fun, a bit racist by the standards of our zeitgeist (The devil is a black man?) Perhaps the natural is symbolic of the spiritual. I admit it was a stretch

  39. ( |o )====::: says:

    “The Blues and the Blues singer has really special powers over women, especially. It is said that the Blues singer could possess women and have any woman they wanted. And so when Robert Johnson came back, having left his community as an apparently mediocre musician, with a clear genius in his guitar style and lyrics, people said he must have sold his soul to the devil. And that fits in with this old African association with the crossroads where you find wisdom: you go down to the crossroads to learn, and in his case to learn in a Faustian pact, with the devil. You sell your soul to become the greatest musician in history.”
    Wikipedia

  40. Siggy says:

    Can you really look past her Luciferian ties?

  41. ( |o )====::: says:

    “Jerry Lee Lewis is desperately trying to save his soul now by being good”

    Perhaps he can learn the virtue of it simply being the best way to live

  42. Siggy says:

    Any other reference besides the one not allowed in high school research papers?

  43. Michael says:

    G-Man,

    Jerry Lee, Elvis, and Little Richard all had deep Pentecostal and holiness indoctrination in their youth… all three tormented by their own gifts.

    Can’t reason with either of the surviving artists…

  44. Michael says:

    When I see the words “Luciferian ties” I laugh out loud.

    She’s an artist…and artists almost always see things from a unique perspective.

    I’ll let the Lord worry about her soul…mine is still intact.

  45. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Charlie Daniels took the devil on man to man.

  46. Siggy says:

    Michael

    Glad to make you lol! 🙂 🙂 I know a guy who knows people and can confirm it from the people he knows who can tell him they know her and it’s ironclad third party info 😉

    For want of not being kicked off the blog, I’ll restrain from picking apart that article, G-man. Thank you, though.

  47. Siggy says:

    Anyone ever see the David Bowie interview with Charlie Rose? “We should all be content with pickin’ nuts”.

  48. Michael says:

    Siggy,

    When I was a young person I got criticized a lot by the faithful for my love of Jerry Lee’s music.
    Used to happen here, too.

    My response is simple… don’t listen to him.

    I find Gaga interesting and I find most “Christian” music utterly banal and lifeless.

    You don’t like her?
    Don’t listen to her.

    Life is simple…

    I also have the complete Robert Johnson collection…nothing has started smoking yet…

  49. John 20:29 says:

    well, since there’s no other female here right now to opinionate on Gaga… and so many others of her genre today…
    God is not pleased… it is one thing to acknowledge that we all have an out of bounds, wigged out capability lurking somewhere inside of us and it is quite another to nurture and exploit it for self aggrandizement and m-o-n-e-y… but, come to think on it, it is kinda pentecostal, at that

  50. Michael says:

    “God is not pleased… ”

    I don’t know about that.
    The same things were said about artists in every generation for centuries.

    Art at its best provokes…

    I once had a woman of faith tell me I had to choose between her and the piano player…I’m still single.

  51. Siggy says:

    Michael,

    nothing flying around the room either? Wha…? Total paradigm shift here;-)

    I agree. Really and totally. I’m a fan of Leadbelly and Muddy Waters, John Lee Hooker, Rush, Black Sabbath, Agalloch, and especially Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. I love music. No denying their talent. Just making small talk. However, I can’t respect artists who hate me for my beliefs simply for believing them. They all can say true things in the process of lying and believing the lies they sell. Maybe it’s my fundie psychosis, but all the secular music I enjoy I have to filter with salt.

    And yes, it’s hard to enjoy much, if any, of the canned music coming out of Tennessee and the like.

  52. John 20:29 says:

    Jerry Lee was more subtle, more naive and more entertaining – the devil may have been chasing Jerry, but he never owned his soul – some entertainers of today? i’m not so sure…
    per my #52 – Jerry is/was Pentecostal, Gaga is more coven oriented IMNSHO, of course

  53. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    I will say up from, I love Gaga. If you have not watched here duets with Tony Bennett, you don’t know what you are missing.

    I put on FB the other day that my grandkids made me watch a Starboy video – ) which was the usual hip hop crap).
    So I told them if I watched theirs they had to watch my video – so I pulled up an Eddie Fisher – because we know that the standards of the 50s were of higher moral character (I did let them know that Fisher was Princess Leia’s dad to peak their interest..

    But then watching it I realized he was probably much further down the ladder than Starboy – he was a drunk, a drug addict a playboy, married 5 times and a terrible father. So we went back and watched a 2nd Starboy video.

    Enjoy the art and forget about the person.

  54. John 20:29 says:

    “I once had a woman of faith tell me I had to choose between her and the piano player…I’m still single.” LOL her loss, Michael

  55. Siggy says:

    Ever listen to Hank Williams III? Classic. Spinning image of the original

  56. John 20:29 says:

    #56 – if the commercial in the bookstore is indicative – i agree 100%
    “Enjoy the art and forget about the person”… only if i don’t have to pay money to do so

  57. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Lady Gaga is the modern day Alice Cooper – it’s a persona for her craft. The reason you don’t see Gaga doing crazy things in her regular life, is like Cooper she takes off that persona when she leaves the stage and just becomes Stefani Joanne Angelina Germanotta and goes home.

  58. Michael says:

    John 20:29,

    In the fifties Jerry, Elvis, and Richard, were terrifying.

  59. Michael says:

    “Lady Gaga is the modern day Alice Cooper – it’s a persona for her craft. ”

    Exactly…

  60. Siggy says:

    MLD -Not quite. A simple search shows she, is as Luciferian (LOL!) off the stage as on.

  61. John 20:29 says:

    #60 – kinda like the murderer, who takes off his disguise and goes home to a normal family?
    sorry – just too easy to resist
    #61 – terrifying? might have been… to some… but what was/is terrifying to contemplate was what was/is ahead, the fact that the next go round has to kick it up a notch to get attention…

    of course, now we have a generation in the news who are offended by that song: “Baby it’s Cold Outside” because it is a rape song? … we’ve fallen over a cliff somewhere and all are suffering head wounds

  62. Siggy says:

    Persona for craft or not, it fits Romans 1 to a T. Respect the talent/the production/the art for what it is: a God given gift, the product of ingenuity, freedom of expression. I would not respect the person, per Romans 1.

    Maybe my fundie psychosis is right. Maybe I’m splitting hairs.

  63. Siggy says:

    Whoah! sorry about that triple post

  64. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Em, give a watch —- and listen – cheek to cheek with Tony Bennett

  65. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Watch her do Sinatra

  66. ( |o )====::: says:

    “Any other reference besides the one not allowed in high school research papers?”

    Well, I can look up Alex Jones or Breitbart if you like but Mr. Bannon is a tad busy scripting #fourfive

    😉

    “They all can say true things in the process of lying and believing the lies they sell.”
    That includes every televangelist

  67. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    or Carole King

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAJPS_IC-A0

    I could do this all day – she is great. 😉 Where is Erunner? – he is the PP music critic.

  68. Jean says:

    While Gaga has a good voice, I do not condone, promote or buy her music and don’t recommend her music. In her music, she explicitly promotes the homosexual life style. Since she uses her art and platform as a celebrity to promote sin, I will not condone it or spread it.

  69. Siggy says:

    Gman
    Lol
    think those are in the same category, although my son says his Spanish Teacher is a conspiracy theorist, so she may accept those references.

  70. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    I’m not that holy or righteous – so I will promote good art. Here is a good interview on CBS Sunday Morning Show – with Gaga and Tony Bennett.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E88BMN96hJQ

    btw, I doubt their is anything I agree with Barbara Streisand – but I would listen to her all day long. but hey, I am a big consumer of WWE wrestling also

  71. Michael says:

    Jean,

    I think that’s fine as you are acting according to conscience.

    Popular music has often (usually) exalted some form of sin whether it be fornication or excessive drinking.

    On the other hand, contemporary Christian music makes me want to get drunk and fornicate to ease the pain of such drivel entering my ears…

  72. Costco Cal says:

    LOL….Thanks for that reaction, Michael. Christian music is so shallow.

  73. Owen says:

    So, I have a bit of a confession to make about the Superbowl game….

    Partway into the third quarter, I got fed up with the Patriots (the QB in particular), and shut off the game, pretty sure I knew what the outcome would be.

    I have since repented of my attitude, when I heard the outcome. And I wish I had stuck it out.

    So, can anyone brief me on how the comeback ocurred?

    About Christian music – I have a large collection. Been listening to it since I was 14, it carried me through living in a non-Christian household.
    I have outgrown a lot of it, although there is still some sentimental value.
    I have learned to be pretty choosy with it, and I agree most of it is shallow and weak. But my favourites are not, and they still carry me.

  74. Jean says:

    Owen,

    After Atlanta got to 28 points, an anonymous patron sent Paula White out to the Patriots sideline, where by prayer she claimed the comeback for the Patriots in the name.

  75. Anon says:

    #71

    With that kind of thinking, where does it end?

    How many country songs celebrate adultery and loose living?

    Some rock, too.

    Maybe classical and opera are the only ‘safe’ types of music.

  76. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Owen, I had told my grandson part way through the 3rd Qt that Brady is the type of QB who will say – Enough!! — and that’s how the comeback happened.

  77. Jean says:

    Anon,

    Point taken. However, at this moment the orthodox Christian Church is in the middle of a spiritual battle for the truth. Is there an absolute truth revealed to men from God regarding things like gender, human sexuality and marriage?

    Faithful pastors who minister to our youth and the unchurched are on the front lines. I want to support them.

    An important note: The sins of ungodly behavior is not as destructive as the sins of false doctrine. The latter deceive the innocent or weak into believing that such false doctrine is the word of God.

    When you mess with the doctrines of gender and marriage, you mess with one of the fundamental orders of God’s creation.

  78. Siggy says:

    Owen

    Keith Green for me!

  79. Siggy says:

    Owen,

    Fox called the outcome of the game 12 minutes early , yes, 12 minutes early.

    White was brought down at the 1 yard line but the Falcons chose to lose the Superbowl rather than review it.

    Another Patriots Superbowl. Yawn. An improbable comeback that makes you wonder if Paula White and Donald Trump weren’t sacrificing a bucket of KFC in the oval office.

  80. Duane Arnold says:

    Just a small comment… let musicians be musicians. They speak out of their own experience and that of their generation. Truth is not confined to the walls of the Church. When Lennon said The Beatles were more popular than Christ in the UK, he was right. We should have listened. Instead, here in the US, DJs held album burning parties and the KKK threatened them.

    I still listen, from time to time, to older CCM, when people like Larry and Randy and JMT had something to say that was real and truthful. Today, it’s hard to find people doing that truth-telling. You can still find it in the secular side of things with Springsteen, Jackson or Cohen and some of their younger followers like Dawes, but it is rare. Bono was right when he said that he wished Christian music addressed the human condition as a whole…

    So, let Lady Gaga do her art. Bowie in his Ziggy Stardust phase make her look rather tame! BTW, as he matured, he continued to share remarkable music of some real depth…

  81. Costco Cal says:

    🙂 Christian Music so caters and is sold out to moms and divorcees… And has discarded so much theology. In my opinion.

  82. Duane Arnold says:

    #84 Costco

    When we ask for “Christianity Light”… that’s what we’re going to get. I agree with you.

  83. John 20:29 says:

    Owen, nope what really happened, was a big old Patriot stepped on the ankle of (can’t think of his name) a great little runner, twisting, maybe spraining, it severely and it scared the rest of the Falcons into not doing anything worthy of notice for the rest of the game…

    my daughter said at half time the Patriots were doomed and i said, no that the coaches were all taking notes and they’d come out in second half with a new game plan… anybody notice how many sprains and strains and dislocations happened this past year/

    well… could be… they surely did fade at the end, so did the Patriots beat the Falcons? or did the Falcons give them the game? dunno

  84. John 20:29 says:

    “Christian Music so caters and is sold out to moms and divorcees”… so, have Christian men driven them to that or do they become Christians after losing out to Lady Gaga dreamers?

    you might want to lie low for a while now as you’ve just insulted all the Christian moms and divorcees, Cal 🙂

  85. Siggy says:

    Duane

    “They speak out of their own experience and that of their generation. Truth is not confined to the walls of the Church.”

    Absolutely right. The state the church is in today begers it’s claim to absolute truth. Truth is more restrictive than that.

    “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.”

    “…for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.”

    Any part of God’s truth can be used in all of Satan’s lies. Like the mustard tree, the church looks bigger than it really is.

  86. John 20:29 says:

    MLD’s #67 makes me wish i were 20 again… or even 40
    today i listen to Placido Domingo as drive down out of the mountains along the river and just enjoy being alive and enjoy enjoying being alive – or, if i need encouragement as i drive, i have some good solid old hymns
    but my favorite Barbara Streisand song was: “Sam – You Made the Pants Too Long”

  87. Siggy says:

    Duane
    By implying truth is found in the lies of the world, you are saying it is possible to imbibe the lukewarm theology of the Laodiceans, and separate the hot from the cold. You imply we can heap up for ourselves teachers to tickle our ears, and somehow not buy into the lie. I think scripture debunks that with example after example. Better, imo, to listen without investment into the lies of their messages.

  88. Siggy says:

    91

    My wife has her doubts sometimes about me

    I love to listen to and watch Bette, Barbara, Jimmy Stewart, Fred and Ginger…

    Funny Girl was Barbs best.

  89. John 20:29 says:

    years ago when she was a teenager, my youngest observed that so many popular “love songs” could be sung to our Lord with very little change in the lyrics (not so today, eh)…
    now as i drive and i hear this song, i can hear a duet of sorts with the Lord… 🙂 sacrilege? i hope not

  90. Michael says:

    “Truth is not confined to the walls of the Church.”

    Amen…learned much truth from the likes of Merle Haggard and Bobby Bland…and a score of others.

  91. Duane Arnold says:

    #93 Michael

    Saw Bobby Blue Bland in Cleveland… he was opening for Jeff Beck Group with a guy from the Faces singing… Rod. 150 people in attendance…

  92. JD Fan says:

    I like John Denver, but what does that have to do with anything?

  93. JD Fan says:

    I think I just answered my own question, as soon as I hit “Submit”:

    It would be safe to say that, right now, everybody should spend more time listening to whatever kind of music they like, and less time reading and watching political news!

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