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  1. Michael says:

    Good morning, Bob!

  2. Steve Voigt says:

    The gun control nuts always amaze me.. Has anyone told them if guns were all confiscated and thus no more the cuttlery business will become a gold mine

  3. Michael says:

    Steve,

    Mexico has strict gun control laws.
    Ask them how it’s working out for them…

  4. Alex says:

    1. Agreed, completely. Good point. Same with BG. He’s not a good guy. Good guys don’t do the things he’s done and then lie about it. Good pastors don’t look the other way.

    2. Amen times the US Deficit. Belcher would’ve used a Baseball Bat or a Knife or his bare hands if he didn’t have a gun. Ban Baseball Bats? And, following the Anti-Gun Logic: The media is saying that Belcher’s underlying Problem was head injuries from Football. BAN FOOTBALL! IT KILLS PEOPLE!

    Maybe if the defenseless Woman had a gun, she could have defended herself against murder.

    3. Yup. Call you butta, you’re on a roll!!!!

    5. “In other words, they are half baked…” LOL, sometimes literally. Lots of Pastors hooked on prescription drug abuse.

    6. Look forward to the responses on this one…

    7. IMO (again) Prayer is an ongoing conversation. I talk to my wife, my friends, my employees etc all the time…does it require some sort of weird ritual to talk to God? Or does one simply have an ongoing dialogue in their inner voice?

    8. Ouch.

    9. Ouch squared.

    10. Yep. Lots of False Teachers out there who say much of the right words.

  5. Summerjoy says:

    #10. Just this morning I had someone say that they wondered how their former pastor can get up and say the things he does at the pulpit and then turn around and do the things he does to his assistant pastors. It really boggles the mind, ya know?

  6. Em says:

    pondering the thinking …
    1 & 2 … some of the drugs we hear about contribute to this?
    3 both sides of that coin are evil denials of human potential … IMO
    4 & 5 good lessons, not easily imitated, tho … too much shame and humility involved … and faith
    6 the question made me reflect back over my years … it was, actually ‘need’ more than ‘seek,’ i suspect … once i’d come to realize the reality of Him, i sought Him because i’d learned that i needed Him … fortunately, His faithfulness is immutable
    7 been there, done that … if one’s life’s demands are greater than one’s endurance ? … i suspect that the ones who have time to pray are accountable on this issue – accountable to stand in the gap, as it were
    8 & 9 amen
    10 hmmm … walk the talk? truth is truth, no matter who says it, soi may respect your words and not respect you, perhaps?

  7. #6 – for the unbeliever, one does not seek God – God seeks them.
    For the believer, one seeks God in the very places he said he would meet us – In his word, in the waters of baptism and the bread and the wine which are his body and blood.

    This is not rocket science. I think we make it hard because we expect God to be where we want him to be and at the time we want him to be there. It still revolves around us being selfish.

  8. Em says:

    there are 2 kinds of prayer (maybe more) for a child of God – the multi-tasking through the day quick ones and the “come in here and close the door; we need to talk” ones

  9. Solomon Rodriguez says:

    Many of these football players aren’t ready for a relationship just coming out of college. They have been coddled emotionally much of there high school years due to the talent they possess. They aren’t even really ready to be rich as they don’t have the life skills to manager their money. They are still adolescents in adult male bodies. One of the problems is that they are encouraged to get married young in order to avoid the pitfalls of sleeping around like many ahtletes are tempted to do. Once a football player messes with steroids or has concussion issues then his personality will take a turn for the worse. Some hurt others some hurt themselves and others hurt both. The hard fact is also there that many football players are violent individuals to begin with who don’t have the balance to separate the filed from reality.

  10. jdooley7 says:

    The NFL has some serious questions to ask regarding the direction they’ve been going down…they’re basically training gladiators. Bob C making opinions on social issues that touch on constitutional law…yea, that’s what he gets paid to do… Hopefully he’s still smart enough to make that mistake once. Good reads on everythng else.

  11. Michael says:

    MLD,

    So…are those the only ways we seek God?
    Is it selfish to do as Jesus commanded?

    “And I tell you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened.”
    (Luke 11:9–10 ESV)

  12. Michael,
    I don’t see the issue here. My point was that it was selfish to seek God on our terms instead of his. I seek God in the ways that I mentioned, especially his word so that I know what to seek. Otherwise, I am going after the Red Corvette. 🙂

  13. 1 & 2. The argument that guns kill people is so patently wrong that I don’t understand how people ever fall for it. People have been killing each other since Cain and Abel with whatever they can get their hands on. On the other hand, I just saw a FB post that was addressed to Bob Costas that used Nicole Brown Simpson and said “Tell me again about still being alive if that enraged football player didn’t have a gun” Only problem, she was killed with a knife. I am so tired of deceptive FB posts. It has gotten where I have to do research on some and even if you point out the inaccuracies, people don’t care.
    3. True.
    4 & 5. Are any of your sermons online?
    6. In his Word and through prayer.
    7. I get up at 3:45 am to go to work every morning and I pray while I am on my 40 min. commute a lot of times. Although, sometimes I am not awake enough to do that and drive at the same time. 🙂
    10: Amen!

  14. Also, Bob Costas has no power to take your guns away people…so chillax a bit!

  15. That last was aimed at FB.

  16. Michael says:

    Derek,

    I don’t record my messages for a number of reasons.
    1.The folks in my church interact with me and the text while I teach and that doesn’t make for a neatly packaged message.
    2. The message I bring is for the people I’m bringing it to…we want to hear what the Spirit is saying to our church on that Lords Day.
    3. Why listen to me when you can listen to Packer or Lloyd Jones on the same text?
    4. It would feed my inherent narcissism.

    Change the order as you see fit… 🙂

  17. Nonnie says:

    Number 10…beautiful!

    As for the football player….I am wondering how much the drugs/steriods, etc he was taking had an effect on his actions. I’ve seen and heard of some really crazy stuff being done by people on drugs that are used to increase muscle and strength.
    But then again, wondering if it was one of those, “If I can’t have you, no one else will” murders.
    Whatever it was, it was tragic and Satan robbed, killed and destroyed lives; and a baby is left without parents. So sad.

  18. London says:

    6. Listen for the whisper

  19. Em says:

    jdooley7, “The NFL has some serious questions to ask regarding the direction they’ve been going down…they’re basically training gladiators.” … true words, i think

    and it seems from here that the folks in the stands today are becoming the folks of the Colosseum also … some of the “real” football (soccer also) fans are a bit scary these days

  20. Michael says:

    Em…point well taken.

  21. Josh Hamrick says:

    A few thoughts, very little time.

    I started Hosea yesterday as well. Beautiful story. Some of that “Old Testament God” that is hard for us to stomach. I love it.

    Football is getting to the point where I feel a little guilty for watching it. No excuse for the bad guy, but there has been so much of this now that there is obviously an institutional problem.

    Me seeking God = prayer, bible study, worship, service…I usually find Him when there is nothing in it for me.

  22. Bob Sweat says:

    “Me seeking God = prayer, bible study, worship, service…I usually find Him when there is nothing in it for me.”

    Love that Josh!!

    Good morning Michael (even though its afternoon). Responding to #2. Been busy all day.

  23. Alex says:

    DT said, “Also, Bob Costas has no power to take your guns away people…so chillax a bit!”

    Roger that. “From my cold dead fingers” 😉

  24. filbertz says:

    guns are used to compensate for a lack of other vital skills.

  25. Alex says:

    filbertz said, “guns are used to compensate for a lack of other vital skills.”

    If the bad guy has a gun, there are no such thing as other skills, unless you’re Jesus Christ himself or maybe Superman

  26. what exactly are “vital skills” … that you can substitute a gun for? 😯

  27. filbertz says:

    Alex, of course, as a gun-dealer, you’ll play to that hand. The “bad guy” with the gun is compensating for a lack of skills, social or work, that would enable him to live responsibly and productively without having to invade your home or space to help himself to your stuff. You only choose to look at gun ownership from the vantage point of a potential victim, meeting “force” with force. The bad guy isn’t holding the gun to protect himself from you, it is to compensate for his lack of ability to come into your space and take your stuff by some other method…
    No rocket science here.

  28. filbertz says:

    Em,
    vital skills like communication, negotiation, work habits, cooperation, reliability, anger management…
    …just a sample off the top of my head. Wave a gun around, one doesn’t need those. Yet, our policemen, who are well-armed, are expected to utilize those skills despite having to deal with armed suspects…They don’t have the green-light to just blow ’em away. Nor do property owners…there must be imminent threat to justify self-defense. One cannot just blow ’em away because the person is in your garage, back yard, or house.

    The football player killed his girlfriend, but from what I read she would still be alive if there wasn’t a gun handy. He probably would have assaulted her, but two people are dead because a gun provides such immediacy and effectiveness in killing. Guns are much more lethal than any other weapon. He left himself no recourse once the trigger was pulled, he could not take back his anger or change his decision. There is a finality to gun violence that makes it so difficult to address. There are some vital skills missing when guns are deemed the solution.

  29. Ixtlan says:

    Good guys don’t murder the mother of their children…Amen… seen it happen before with the same stupid response.

    Guns don’t kill, people do.

    Gun control is being able to accurately hit your target.

    I have needed a gun in my home once to protect my family. I wasn’t home, my wife grabbed the shotgun and pumped it once, and the intruder ran out the door. End of confrontation. Cops didn’t get there fast enough to apprehend the intruder. God help us in the country when we no longer have the freedom to defend ourselves from evil.

  30. pardon ze interrupcion. says:

    So Filbertz. The Colonists lacked “other skills” in using guns at Lexington, Concord, ect? Lol.

  31. filbertz says:

    lxtlan,
    no one has intruded on your freedom…but the macho swagger many possess is only bloated when a pistol or rifle is in their hands. Don’t forget, hundreds lose their lives each year from accidental discharges of guns…God help those who have no one to defend them from the careless misuse of their pacifiers.

  32. Em says:

    you know on this gun issue? i just can’t see it as the lynch-pin in the violence of today … yes, criminals kill each other with them all the time and i concede that without their guns there would obviously be less collateral damage from gang drive-by shootings, how much i’m not sure; but are most of the other murders/murderers dependent on guns? i’m guessing that the football player probably would have killed the mother of his child irregardless, however, without a gun, he might be around to stand trial for it; banning guns would undoubtedly impact the suicide rate … then again, there’s always a bridge to jump off of or drive the car into … dunno

    we do need to educate our youth to admire and to adapt the high road in their maturing social skills

  33. filbertz says:

    Pardon Z I
    different conversation. Flip it around. The British were bullies because they were well-armed and had the authority of the king. The justifiability of revolt is always debatable, even when one’s patriotism is linked to it.

  34. Em says:

    one thing we do need to do … or maybe not – dunno … is separate insurrection and a call to arms from the call to the Christian Faith – i think we can take up arms and fight in justifiable circumstances, but we can’t wrap the action in a banner of Christian duty …

    now i’m through thinking for today 😆

  35. j2theperson says:

    ***”good guys” don’t murder the mother of their children.***

    Good guys don’t murder. Period.

    Instead of outlawing guns maybe we should outlaw professional sports.

  36. Alex says:

    Fil said “Alex, of course, as a gun-dealer, you’ll play to that hand. The “bad guy” with the gun is compensating for a lack of skills, social or work, that would enable him to live responsibly and productively without having to invade your home or space to help himself to your stuff. You only choose to look at gun ownership from the vantage point of a potential victim, meeting “force” with force. The bad guy isn’t holding the gun to protect himself from you, it is to compensate for his lack of ability to come into your space and take your stuff by some other method…
    No rocket science here.”

    Fil, your Position assumes much. You make the assumption that Anti-Gun Laws take the guns out of the bad guys hands…whereas in Mexico’s stark example…the Bad Guys gots the guns…it’s the good guys that don’t…and witness the carnage.

  37. Alex says:

    Gun Control Facts:

    Supreme Court lifts Gun Bans in Chicago and Washington DC: Violent Crime plummets.

    Britain institutes Gun Control in 1997. Crime skyrockets.

    Australia does a huge Gun Grab and institutes Gun Control: Crime goes up.

    Lott has the definitive book on the subject called “More Guns, Less Crime”. It’s a very powerful statistical analysis of the issue and shows how Legal Responsible Gun Ownership etc has a direct correlative relationship to lower crime.

  38. Alex says:

    I believe in the 2nd Amendment as a Human Right. My belief preceded my Career…much like a belief in God generally precedes a career as Pastor.

  39. j2theperson says:

    Besides, I thought protecting yourself from criminals was just a bonus. Isn’t the real reason the right to bear arms exists so that people can defend themselves from the government if it ever came to that?

  40. filbertz says:

    I’ve heard all that before Alex, the point remains–bad guys use guns to get what they want because they lack the skill set to get it by honest/responsible means. Guns provide a convenient short cut–it is called threat or intimidation. Rights are granted by authorities/governments and can be revoked by the same.

  41. Steve Wright says:

    Rights are granted by authorities/governments and can be revoked by the same.
    —————————–
    Not in this country they aren’t.

  42. Ixtlan says:

    wow filbertz….

    where do you live? The People’s Republic of ?

  43. Solomon Rodriguez says:

    J2ThePerson said:

    “Instead of outlawing guns maybe we should outlaw professional sports.”

    Over reaction Much?

  44. Solomon Rodriguez says:

    Where are all the professional athletes murdering people? Don’t get that logic

  45. filbertz says:

    Steve Wright
    Who then affords your rights in this country? When women were granted the “right” to vote, who provided it? When Blacks were granted equal protection status by the Civil Rights Act of 1964, who provided it? Who grants gays the right to marry?

    If the State grants rights, the State can revoke them.

    lxlative,
    I provided you respectful discourse and you respond with that crap…?

  46. j2theperson says:

    Solomon, I wasn’t being serious. I kind of think outlawing professional sports makes as much sense as outlawing guns because athletes seem to commit a ridiculous number of crimes. It seems like every time I open up a website some jerkoff athlete is doing something violent and illegal. Wikipedia actually has a page devoted to criminal athletes. You’d probably cut back on violent athletes if you simply outlawed sports.

  47. filbertz says:

    Jovan Belcher lacked the skill set to settle an argument with his girlfriend using words and apologies (as evidently he’d been out the night before with another woman), lacked the skill set to behave as a professional athlete who should have been home resting before a big game, lacked the skill set to control his temper, lacked the skill set to listen to the caring advice of both his mother and coach, but, by golly, he had mad gun skills because, “gun control is being able to accurately hit your target.” Yeah, he was two for two on that.

  48. Steve Wright says:

    When women were granted the “right” to vote, who provided it?
    Answer – The 19th Amendment

    When Blacks were granted equal protection status by the Civil Rights Act of 1964, who provided it?
    Answer – The Supreme Court’s ruling that the law was Constitutional

    As to homosexual marriage. The Supreme Court has not fully weighed in on that yet. I’ll get back to you when they do.

    Look filbertz, I know you recognize that no politician, duly elected, can decide to outlaw Constitutionally protected rights. I know you know that every politician, duly elected, swears an oath upon entering office that they will uphold the Constitution. And I know that you know that I know that obviously legislators legislate. But any legislation is subject to the Constitutionality test.

    At least here in this country.

  49. I don’t see guns as a problems. Now bullets are the thing that should be outlawed. 😉

  50. Solomon Rodriguez says:

    J2,

    I look at sports as a microcosm of society, in some cases athletes have superior discipline in others they lack the life skills due to not having to deal in the real world much of the time. Most football players can keep their violence on the field, some can’t as eveidenced by Jovan Belcher.

  51. Ixtlan says:

    your point, filbutz?

  52. Alex says:

    Fil said, “the point remains–bad guys use guns to get what they want because they lack the skill set to get it by honest/responsible means.”

    That’s a broad brush. Many bad guys use guns b/c they’re bad guys, not b/c they lack the skillset to make an honest living. Look at the NFL Player who was rich who shot his girlfriend. He certainly could have OJ Simpson’d her. He could have beat her to death with his bare hands. He chose a gun b/c that’s what he wanted to do.

    He certainly possessed the skillset to make money. Certainly had the skillset to kill w/o a gun etc.

    It’s about choice not the tool chosen.

    Good analogy is Nuclear Weapons. We’re OK with a Nation like Israel having nukes. We aren’t OK with a Nation like Iran having nukes. Why?

    Is it the nukes…or the person behind the trigger?

  53. Its always about the person behind the trigger, which is why we truest our military, our children, brothers & sisters, dads & moms who have enlisted, and sworn police officers.

    I get nervous when it’s my neighbor who simply has armament. 😉

  54. Alex says:

    The reality is, until you can guarantee me that no one else (including the bad guys) will have guns…then I want one too, just in case.

    Regarding: “Rights are granted by authorities/governments and can be revoked by the same”

    There are “human rights” that are considered ex-governmental. They are rights that supersede govt. and rules. The right to self defense is one of those basic Human Rights.

  55. Alex, a quick word of encouragement. Great exposé at your site about Set Free & CC’s role in it all. Praying for ya.

  56. Alex says:

    Thanks G! You rock. I appreciate our kindness toward me and how you’ve demonstrated forgiveness. For as much crap as you take sometimes for being the Emergent on here (crap I’ve flung your way often) you are one of the better examples in action.

  57. Alex says:

    examples of Christ-likeness in action, I meant to say

  58. ( |o )====::: says:

    Alex,
    Thx, bud
    Go hug your wife & kiddos!

  59. Alex says:

    Roger that G! 🙂

  60. Alex says:

    We’re watching “Chopped!” and my son is making garlic and cheese sandwiches in the kitchen right now LOL. He’s playing little Chef. The smell of fresh garlic is very pleasant to this Italiano 🙂

    Went over and hugged and kissed them all.

  61. Cricket says:

    threeeep threeep threeeep…

  62. ( |o )====::: says:

    It’s called “the holidays”…

    “Work, work, work…”

  63. Kevin H says:

    Since it’s so quiet around here with the exception of the chirping from the crickets, I thought I’d add a link for people to read:

    http://jaymcdermond.wordpress.com/2012/12/03/thinking-about-christianity-in-light-of-two-national-championships-and-vice-versa-12/

    I’m proud of my alma mater, Messiah College. The men’s soccer team just won their 9th Division III National Championship since 2000, and the women’s soccer team won their 5th Division III National Championship since 2005. But more so than winning, it’s how they carry themselves. This blog posting is from Dr. McDermond, a professor at the school. We spend a lot of time here discussing the hypocrisy of Christians. It’s nice to see a story of how someone sees the opposite in this case.

  64. kevinh15 says:

    G, not calling you a cricket. 🙂 I didn’t see your posting until after I posted mine.

  65. Em says:

    it is quiet here … i think the last cricket in my neck of the woods just got swept off my porch this morning …
    for the animal lovers – i’ve mentioned that i consider insomnia a call to prayer and i do so in my dark living room in my rocking chair in front of the glass doors that open onto a view of the valley and the north sky … last night my concentration was interrupted by a cat on his appointed rounds … he stopped with his nose to the glass, looked intently into the room for a while and then he turned around so that his gaze was the same as mine of the night – made himself comfortable in a little black bundle right at my feet (on the other side of the glass) watching something i couldn’t see and i went back to directing my prayers to Someone i couldn’t see

  66. Lutheran says:

    KevinH,

    Messiah College — do you come from an Anabaptist background?

    Also, did you take any courses from a prof. at Messiah, Crystal Downing? She’s written a fantastic book on postmodernism that I’m reading right now. By far,the best treatment I’ve seen so far written by a Christian.

    http://www.amazon.com/How-Postmodernism-Serves-Faith-Questioning/dp/0830827587/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1354737694&sr=8-2&keywords=crystal+downing

  67. Kevin H says:

    Lute,

    No, I don’t come from an Anabaptist background although Messiah certainly has its roots in that tradition and is still influenced by them to some degree. However, the student population at Messiah is made up of all different kinds of denominations and traditions. Although, due to its Anabaptist influences, the percentage of students coming from an Anabaptist background is probably higher at Messiah than at most other Christian colleges.

    I didn’t take any courses with Crystal Downing during my time there. I think she may have been there during my time there (’94-’98) as I recognize her name, but I can’t say for sure. I was an engineering major so most of my courses were in math, science, and of course, engineering. So for professors outside of those disciplines, I had classes with only a smaller percentage of them. But I’m glad that you enjoy her writing. I know there are some pretty sharp profs there.

  68. Lutheran says:

    Thanks, Kevin.

    One more question if you don’t mind — did Ron Sider teach there when you were there? I worked with him on a magazine back in the 1980s. Great guy.

  69. Cricket says:

    threeep threeeep threeeeep…

    (work, work, work) 😉

  70. Kevin H says:

    Lute,

    No problems with the questions. Don’t mind at all. I think Ron Sider pre-dated me quite a bit. Also, I think he primarily, if not completely, taught at the Philadelphia campus of Messiah College which I never attended during my time in school there. (Ironic, as I now live in Philly.) The Philadelphia campus of Messiah is actually located within Temple University. The Messiah students use Temple facilities and attend Temple classes, but do have a dormitory of their own on campus along with some of their own classes and other activities and organizations. It’s a unique arrangement.

  71. Lutheran says:

    Thanks, KevinH!

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