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  1. Jean says:

    Michael,

    In my opinion, I agree with you in large measure on the topic of social justice. But I feel like we need to clearly communicate what the Word teaches, because either side of the issue can distort the Gospel.

    (1) The vocation of the Church is to make disciples, and secondarily to care for the body of Christ, as we see in the offering brought to Jerusalem by Paul and in the early church by taking care of the widows.

    (2) The vocation of the Christian is to love his neighbor as himself. This is where alms giving and mercy services come in to play.

    It is the modern evangelical paradigm, which they took from the medieval Roman church, which says that if the “church” isn’t involved, then the action is not “Christian” or holy work. But this is certainly error. Christians working and serving in their vocations, as parents, citizens, workers, etc., are the ones who actually are doing holy work if they are doing it to the glory of the Lord.

    The other problem with the church usurping the role of the Christian in vocation is that a body of believers will rarely agree on who works of mercy should be carried out, because there is freedom in love and we all exercise that freedom a little differently. That is why there can be faithful Christians who are conservative, liberal or libertarian (within limits as to all of them).

  2. bob1 says:

    #8

    Here’s a ‘proven’ site that exposes fake news, conspiracy theories, purported “truths” shared via the Internet and social media, etc.

    http://www.snopes.com

  3. Michael says:

    Jean,

    I don’t draw that distinct of lines,but it’s a worthy point.

  4. Michael says:

    bob1,

    If you try to use snopes, the “conservatives” will tell you it’s a liberal front and ignore you.

  5. bob1 says:

    That’s their choice.

  6. Michael says:

    There is no such thing as a trusted source anymore…and that’s going to prove deadly…

  7. Erunner says:

    #6 That was sad to watch. I have no clue as to what drove him to that hate filled rant. He doesn’t represent the faith or missionaries for that matter just as you noted. At the same time I’ve watched as believers have broad brushed those they disagree with. It’s an ugly world we live in and unfortunately we all get caught up in it to one degree or another.

    #10 I don’t use Twitter but have been on Facebook for many years. It’s never been a place where I’ve looked for truth. It seems many believe FB isn’t such a great place and stay there for lack of another option. For that matter it seems the internet and newer technology are scaring a lot of people.

    bob 1… I’ve seen people say you can’t trust Snopes as it’s owned and controlled by George Soros. At times I just want to throw my hands up in the air….

  8. Michael says:

    Erunner,

    Good to see you back…we need your perspective.

  9. Cash says:

    http://www.factcheck.org is another good fact check site that people will ignore.

  10. Erunner says:

    That means a lot Michael. I don’t have the theological chops that populate this community but I hope to fit in oce again.

  11. Michael says:

    Erunner,
    I think you bring something beyond chops…we’re glad you’re back.

  12. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    #10 sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.

  13. Duane Arnold says:

    Michael

    # 1 – When you say that the Good News is only “sort of, kind of, maybe Good”… is it still Good News? A truncated Gospel may be no Gospel at all…

  14. Captain Kevin says:

    MacArthur got himself a new thing to hate on. His ratings must have been dipping.

  15. Captain Kevin says:

    Erunner!!!!! 🙂

  16. Steve says:

    I’m not a fan of John Mac. But do you have a link of what he has said recently that is so concerning? There are definite concerns about having a “social” only gospel or a “spiritually” only gospel and it maybe helpful to your viewers to understand the context.

  17. Steve says:

    Regarding #7. It’s even more frightening how many intelligent people will watch CNN or the evening news and believe their narrative hook line and sinker every time. Maybe conspiracies need a broader definition to include generally accepted fake news.

  18. Erunner says:

    Hey Captain!!

    Steve, it seems there are intelligent people watching Fox, CNN, and CNBC. These same people believe things all along the news spectrum. Then there are those who view none of these networks and prop up sources they do trust which then leads to more disagreement. As a result I think a lot of folks just don’t care much any more. They’re doing what they can just to get by in these difficult times. I think we’re past the point of what constitutes truth.

  19. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    I trust my local government only and I am putting them to the test even this morning as I count on them to haul away my trash.

  20. Steve says:

    Errunner, on rare occasions I would go to Alex Jones Infowars site. Believe it or not he had some legitimate things to say that no one else offered. Shame on the social media elites that have shadow banned him.

  21. Michael says:

    Shame on anyone who listens to someone who says Sandy Hook didn’t happen among a dozen other evil conspiracy lies.

  22. Steve says:

    Michael, I don’t believe him on the Sandy Hook shooting. However I don’t shame anyone for listening to him. Some not all of his stuff on the 911 attacks was compelling. I don’t shame viewers of NBC or CBS although sometimes the stories they deliberately get wrong hurt tons of people.

  23. Xenia says:

    Fox News’current purpose is to prop Trump up and keep him in office. Almost everything they report and opine on reflects this. CNN’s current goal is to expose Trump and get him out of office and everything they report and opine on reflects this. Having watched both networks, I find the Fox opinionators to be the most odious. I mean ODIOUS. But we quit watching CNN as well because it was all Trump all the time and even as much as I want to eject Trump from the White House, there is other news to be considered and CNN spends too much time on Trump while omitting other important issues. We downgraded our cable, therefore, and don’t get either of these networks. We get local news and weather. Nothing I can do about Trump and his followers. There’s plenty I can do for my own community so that is where I should but my efforts.

    I really feel sad when I see my relatives quoting nonsense from the right-wing whackadoodle groups, though. This just pushes me more to the left, and I don’t wanna be pushed to the left. I’m a conservative, for crying out loud!

  24. Xenia says:

    However I don’t shame anyone for listening to him.<<<<

    I do. He is an evil man and there is no excuse for a Christian to be taking in evil. It's just as bad as p0rnography.

  25. Steve says:

    Xenia,. I didn’t mean to offend anyone here. Obviously I have been judged harshly for very rarely seeing what a different opinion offers. This is a far cry from watching porn.

  26. bob1 says:

    It’s just as bad as p0rnography.

    I think believing someone who’s a proven liar, speculator, and hate
    merchant is just as evil as watching porn. It just as much corrodes the
    soul, IMHO. One of Satan’s names isn’t the “Father of Lies” for nothing!

  27. Em says:

    Discernment will overcome false information which can be accidental – most human reporting is admixture
    Tell me what can overcome observing pornography

  28. Steve says:

    Bob1,
    My point is unless you turn off your PC, your radio or your TV completely you will hear constant lies all the time. I am not Amish although I deeply admire this sect because they don’t get caught up in this. But rather I try to stay informed and make my own opinions best I can and that means getting input from a variety of sources even when I view them in distain.

  29. Jim says:

    How are we currently defining social justice? Asking for a friend…

  30. EricL says:

    Jim,
    I define social justice as the justice that happens to you for daring to insult Aunt Mildred’s ambrosia desert at the church social. In that scenario, social justice equals a swat on the rear in front of your snickering friends.

  31. Em says:

    Reading Matt 10:28 causing me to wonder just how much effort our Lord expects the Church to concentrate on society’s wrongs…. As individuals we have the good Samaritan example, but is the Church anywhere instructed to work for social justice – in light of eternity and man’s destiny, how do we prioritize?
    I think a political figure could/should honor the Christian community, but does the Christian community try to guide society or do we minister to its victims? pondering boundaries

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