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  1. Babylon’s Dread says:

    Yes! So many yeses on this one.

    Hazarding your life is laudable knowingly hazarding theirs is not.

    Wreckless Dread

  2. Em says:

    Since i still don’t have a satisfactory comprehension of how God will deal with those who have never been exposed to Biblical truths and the redemption message… I can’t judge the young adventurer Christian who died trying to give this isolated tribe the news that they had a Creator who loved them…
    Can we really say that bringing the Gospel to these sorry, isolated folk was wrong because we might also infest their flesh with disease?
    I guess.we could have prepared picture books, sanitized them and done an air drop…. dunno …?
    I don’t know, but God does… Grace is amazing and, i suspect, young Chau was well received in paradise… trusting God to take it from here

  3. Michael says:

    Em,

    The possibility isn’t infection, but extermination…this is a difficult question…

  4. Em says:

    Reading Kidd’s grounded thots on Michael’s first thought is something no one should overlook… IMNSHO

    Extinction? Well, since those tribesmen took Chau’s body and buried it there on their beach, that is now something to ponder also…. 😕

  5. Corby says:

    About John Chau, who went to school in my town and was friends with my friends, I can’t speak to wisdom or Lord-leading of him going to that island. If the Lord says do it, and it actually is the Lord, you do it. Scripture is full of people who do stupid and dangerous things because the Lord said to do it. But that isn’t my point in commenting here.

    My point, and maybe I will write this up on my own blog, I’m not sure, is this; this scenario is really highlighting the immense level of hypocrisy in the unbelieving world by way of “don’t force your views on others.” The UN Human Rights Commission and the UN Declaration of Human Rights overtly force its views on others. What if it came out that that little island culture was a rape culture? Would people be up in arms to go in and stop them from living their own culture because it is in conflict with ours? Isn’t that the imperialistic and arrogant Christian attitude people hate about us so much? What right do we have condemn Saudi Arabia for how they treat women, if we truly value letting cultures do their own thing?

    This line is invisible and movable depending on who is trying to enforce it. No one wants to seriously talk about who decides theses things and, more importantly, by what authority. Popularity as authority is like shifting sand. Within a hundred years in the past, homosexuality was agreed by most to be wrong, even apart from religious perspectives. Now, it’s a legally protected right. What if 100 years from now the popular vote is that it is wrong?

    Also, the amount of overt hate speech that was posted online about John and people who support him is shocking. My friend commented on the story on a local TV news channel’s facebook post, and people actually said that John deserved to die, they would have killed John themselves, my friend should go there next so that he would die. This is actual hate speech, inciting violence on someone else. These were millenials, older people, men, women, saying these things. I know I shouldn’t be shocked by anything online, but this was a local new channel post and people were freaking out with violent speech. Like they might as well have been members of Isis or something.

  6. Em says:

    Corby @ 11:49 elaborates on some of what Kidd raised in Michael’s link… We have an elite class of academics, media and, i susoect, behind the scenes manipulators of popular thought and, thus, mass behavior, that can only be described as evil – IMO

  7. Michael says:

    Corby,

    I confess that I have found some of the responses shocking…it could change missionary work and funding in the years ahead.

  8. DavidM says:

    Regarding #1, John Allen Chau: What troubled me about that tragic event is that he seemed to go in entirely on his own, in spite of the illegal nature of what he was doing and the extreme danger it held. It is one thing to “obey the Lord’ if He says to go. But, in such an extreme circumstance, it would have been wise to be connected to a sending organization from whom the young man could have received wise counsel and guidance. I’m sure there is a lot to the story that we don’t know, but it seemed to me to be a foolish thing to do. I feel for his family, and it saddens me that a zealous young believer has lost his life. It didn’t need to end this way. We have our opinions, but I cannot answer the question, “Was he a Christian martyr, a reckless fool, or both.” And, yes, we are to take the Gospel to dangerous, hostile places, but one needs to exercise caution and careful planning in so doing.

  9. Michael says:

    Well said, David.

  10. Em says:

    For me the answer to Michael’s question is clearly, “both.”
    The question i cannot answer is, did God send him?

    Pray for those who loved this bright young light in love with the Faith and pray for wisdom for the rest of us.. and maybe some forbearance? I can’t help but wonder what the ultimate outcome will be … Was this a wasted death? Let’s hope not

  11. bob1 says:

    I was thinking about the differences between the response to this man’s experience
    and comparing it to the 5 American missionaries killed by the Auca Indians in the
    1950s.

    Today, everybody has to have an opinion about everything, whether they’re qualified or not. I think in the 50s, it wasn’t much that way. Maybe that accounts
    for so much of the rancor here.

    Another difference between the men in the 50s is that it was done as a group.
    They were sent out by various missions groups. It really wasn’t a “lone wolf”
    venture.

  12. London says:

    #10 – Yep.

  13. Eric says:

    He surely must have been inspired by Bruce Olsen, who went lone wolf to Venezuela looking for the most feared indigenous tribe to bring Christ to them, breaking the usual rules of caution, finding a different tribe first and evangelising them… he also brought them medicine, translated the bible, advocated for their land rights.

  14. BrianD says:

    “3. In both of the above cases, the comments under the various online reports should give all of us who call ourselves Christians pause. There is a deep resentment of the faith by many on this country…when the political pendulum swings back (and it will, that’s what pendulums do) we may be in for real persecution…”

    You’re the first Christian leader I know of to say this publicly.

    Is it persecution, though, if you brought part of it on yourself by acting like a reckless jackass?

  15. Michael says:

    BrianD,

    You’re the first person to refer to me as a Christian leader… 🙂
    Whether we call it persecution or retribution it will have an impact on all of us who call ourselves Christians…whether we’ve been part of the political machinery or not…

  16. Linnea says:

    DavidM @ 12:41. Francis Schaeffer and his family went to Switzerland without any support of missionary organizations or churches but because God called them there. Many who were instrumental in the Jesus movement passed through L’Abri and became believers there, or grounded in a formerly loose faith. Bruce Olsen, Bruchko, did the same with the Motolone tribe. Jim Elliott, Nate Saint, et al also did this with the Huaorani people.

    I believe that if there is one person in a remote tribe who has an inkling of God, the Lord will move heaven and earth to bring the gospel to them.

  17. j2theperson says:

    What interests me about the Chau/Sentinelese situation is how basically the entire world seems to view the Sentinelese as being more akin to animals than humans. If the North Koreans had done what they did everyone would be outraged, but, as it stands, our reaction is more like what the reaction to Timothy Treadwell getting eaten by bears was than someone being brutally slaughtered by other human beings.

    What level of intelligence, accomplishment, or reason does a persons or people need to attain in order to be viewed as fully human instead of just advanced animals? Is it right for us to not be bothered by the fact that these people are horribly brutal and who knows how many human rights abuses they’ve perpetrated?

  18. DavidM says:

    Linnea, I cannot argue with your point regarding moving heaven and earth. However, moving one’s family to Switzerland is vastly different and far less dangerous than going solo to a forbidden island, where it is against the law to even approach the place. Did he know their language? Did he know the illegality of going there? Was he aware of the possibility of introducing diseases and/or viruses just by being there? Had he researched the tribe? He may have indeed been sent by God but he also may have been naive if not delusional about what he might accomplish there.

  19. filbertz says:

    I think his decisions/actions were fruit of the teaching he received about trusting/following God and discerning His will. those who were his mentors and teachers will share in the accountability for the mess–such is the warning for those who teach. On the one hand, I want to applaud his faith and audacity on behalf of the Kingdom, on the other, I’d like to slap him for the foolish manner with which he proceeded. Hard to applaud with only one hand.

  20. Em says:

    J2’s observation has been rattling around in the back of my mind…. while i am not an anthropologist,nor a believer in reincarnation, i can’t see the virtue in preserving this tribe as hostile, ignorant savages …?…
    I don’t think Adam and Eve were directed to defend their garden with bows and arrows?

  21. Jean says:

    Perhaps the fact that they killed the outsider demonstrates just how “human” they are. What is a hostile, ignorant savage? Western Civilization has got killing on a mass scale down to an art? And we’ve become experts at the exercise of that art.

    We have shows, clubs, ranges, etc. to demonstrate, sell and celebrate the latest killing instruments. We’re also the greatest (or if not the greatest in the top 3) exporter of killing machinery to the rest of the world, even where our customers are autocrats and hostile to Christianity and freedom! If this particular Indian tribe has not attained to Western “advancement,” is it not an advancement also in hostility, ignorance and savagery?

    I’m not opining on the facts of this particular murder. I don’t know the tribe or the victim. I mourn for the loss of his family. What I am calling attention to is our hubris in thinking that Western Civilization is the great exporter of wisdom, civilization and advancement to indigenous peoples.

  22. Em says:

    Jean, i cannot say amen to your 6:36 comment… Scripture is pretty clear that what you’ve lamented will continue till the end of time… The choice of weapons is not the issue…
    Is it best for this tribe to continue as they are now? I don’t think so, but then, while i love a good day hike, camping loses its charm pretty fast… Living out one’s life in the wind and the rain with nothing to do but forage and procreate? I suspect they’re not as healthy or privileged as some idealists think…
    God keeo

  23. Jean says:

    When Obama got elected, some people thought that if the tyrants over the middle eastern countries were deposed that an Arab spring would ensue that the masses would vote for Western style democracy and “modern” ways of living.

    We in the West **think** we are the enlightened ones.

    We can build things, dissect things, and kill things more efficiently than our ancestors. But where is the moral advancement? I believe St. Paul is still correct today:

    “None is righteous, no, not one;
    no one understands;
    no one seeks for God.
    All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;
    no one does good,
    not even one.”
    “Their throat is an open grave;
    they use their tongues to deceive.”
    “The venom of asps is under their lips.”
    “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.”
    “Their feet are swift to shed blood;
    in their paths are ruin and misery,
    and the way of peace they have not known.”
    “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”

  24. Em says:

    Wel, Jean, i guess i am privileged to live among more well intentioned people than you and Paul. 😏
    That said what you posted describes the commerce of the world, certainly our nation’s Congess, pretty well…
    Hopefully, there is still the hope of God’s salvation to offer. The disparaged treasure…

  25. mudman says:

    I guess I have to comment because a post about a young man who felt the passion and “call” to live dangerously for the name of Jesus, somehow devolved into a rant on guns in the USA.

    Personally I think we have forgotten about Jim Elliot and Nate Saint and how they died with similar desires. We may have also forgotten how the wife of the slain man went and moved with her children to live amongst the very men who killed her husband.

    Was this modern day young man trained, prepared and really ready to face the dangers of death? To me at least, he leaves a much better legacy than the hoards of youtube video producing daredevils that were his peers.

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