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  1. Kevin H says:

    Surprising that there hasn’t been any commentary here yet.

    Yes, there is, always has been, and always will be extreme evil in this world until Christ returns. We saw it in New Zealand a few days ago and it goes on more regularly than we are even ever aware of …..even in this day and age when we seemingly are instantly notified of so many different happenings across the world.

    The media plays a big role in making us aware of what they want us to be aware of. And what that awareness is depends on which media, left or right. We are made aware, and then we are left to determine how much is truth and how much is hyperbole, if not outright lies in what has been brought to our attention. Seemingly less and less people are concerned in determining that truth and more and more are interested in gobbling up whatever feeds their predetermined beliefs and desires. Thus the cycle becomes increasingly worse.

    And yes, there is definitely Muslim extremism to fear. It is not politically correct to say so, but Muslim extremism and terrorists account for far more terroristic killings than the categorization of any other group. The happenings in Nigeria is a prime example. It is shameful and wrong no matter what group does it and it does not discount in any way genuine concern we should have other groups. We are being disingenuous if we aim to minimize the trouble in other groups by pointing at the “Muslims” and just wanting to pin all or just about all blame on them. We are also being disingenuous if we can’t admit that Muslim extremism is responsible for by far the most amount of terroristic killings and terroristic activity in our current times.

  2. Kevin H says:

    As to point #7, yes, assimilation is an important issue. When we let people into our country we should not expect people to just completely drop their cultural distinctions, but at the same time, there needs to be some level of assimilation to American values and American ways of life. You can not have a stable or strong country if everyone just does their own thing or is allowed to completely undermine the established values and structure of the country. There needs to be efforts by both the accepting country and those coming in, to work at and find some level of assimilation.

    But is also understandable if the current focus is not speaking to assimilation. The first step of the process is determining how and who to allow in the country. And when there are big troubles there, it is only natural to place focus on that first step, as there cannot be an effective second step of assimilation if the first step is a big mess to begin with.

  3. Jean says:

    I prefer the term “melting pot” to assimilation. In a melting pot, the new is added to the old, making the whole entirely different. But it is by degree, since the old is the greater proportion of the whole. However, even though it is by degree, the whole is impacted and the new is additive to that whole. It is a recognition that immigrants add their threads into the fabric of America.

    From my little perch, I see immigrants adding a lot to America currently. They appreciate opportunity by availing themselves of it. They work hard to pull themselves up. Not all, but if you look at enrollment in advanced math, science and engineering, you will find a lot of immigrant sounding names. It concerns me that 3-4+ generation American youth had better up their game, or they will be left behind in their own country. Parents might stop bitching about immigrants and start parenting and educating their children.

  4. Kevin H says:

    Jean,

    I like your melting pot analogy and explanation and agree with it.

    I do also think there is an imbalance right now in regards to those who are overly concerned with immigrants (undocumented and even documented) coming into our country. I do believe that most immigrants are not troublemakers and contribute positively to our society. At the same time, there certainly can be examples pointed to of some immigrants who have little to no ambition to assimilate (or melt into the pot). Some just want to be left alone to be as they are, and while they are not dangerous, they may end up being a drag on our society because of their refusal to adapt. Others, such as those with some Muslim extremist tendencies or foreign gang associations, can be a danger, especially when they group together with others of like mind. If we had better means of assimilation, some of these concerns could potentially be reduced.

  5. Jean says:

    Kevin, you make some very good points.

    However, if we’re going to talk about assimilation, let’s include American citizens who want to dissimilate. Isn’t tribalism a movement opposed to assimilation? When someone on the blog says something to the effect, “I don’t recognize their God/country/or what have you,” isn’t that an acknowledgement that there is no assimilation even among non-immigrants?

    This is all to say that if assimilation is a good thing (and I personally think that a country cannot flourish without a foundation of unifying principles), then maybe we need to look at our own assimilation and what we have to repent of.

  6. Kevin H says:

    Jean,

    Yes, dissimilation is definitely a problem in our country. Greater than even the problems of those coming into our country who won’t assimilate. Tribalism is putting a great strain on our country, and the extremes on both ends only seem to be getting more aggressive, more public, more influential, and more extreme. Our country has been far, far, from perfect, but its commonly held ideals and values have served it well in creating and maintaining its strength while also manifesting itself in many acts of good and charity. The current dissimilation is pulling at the threads of this fabric of strength.

  7. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Why do we look at mass murders as the starting poi,t to discuss evil? These are rare occurrences.
    Funny how no one addresses men walking out on their families as evil even in light of the greater mass devastation it leaves behind.

  8. Michael says:

    “Funny how no one addresses men walking out on their families as evil even in light of the greater mass devastation it leaves behind.”

    I’ve addressed that at least a hundred times over the years.
    I addressed the mass murders as I had peoples attention to speak to other things in the moment.

  9. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    While I am at it, I think this “new” tribalism claim is fictitious and used to cause division. America has always had filled of different cultures and countries. Every city has it’s Little Italy, Little Tokyo, the Jewish district etc. where people tried to stay insulated from the greater community and maintain their tribal identity.
    America has always had tremendous divides by religious and political tribes and tossed barbs at each other by identities. These terms still survive – wop, kike, beaner, chink etc.
    Today’s white supremacy can’t hold a candle to the Jim Crowe days of the early to mid 20th century.
    It may not be ideal today, but it is no different than yesterday.

  10. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    I remember in the 50s my grandparents lived in the Fairfax district of Los Angeles (the Jewish district) and my grandmother would sit at the kitchen window and at the top of her lungs would yell at any little old German guy walking down the street, calling them Nazi and kraut. – I have no idea how she knew who was who, but she did. šŸ™‚

  11. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Michael, perhaps I had missed it. You have actually publicly called all guys who have abandoned their families as EVIL?
    Evil in a way that you have called for them to be shunned? (as I am sure you would a white supremacist)
    I know I make it intentional not to hang with guys who have broken and left their families.

  12. Michael says:

    “It may not be ideal today, but it is no different than yesterday.”
    It obviously evades you that this is an indictment of our society.
    I’ve submitted that Trump didn’t create these divisions, he simply gave license to what was already there…

  13. Michael says:

    I called it evil every time a pastor left his family for a trophy wife…every time…

  14. Em says:

    Is the “us and them” a part of the human psyche? I watched some footage of Chelsea Clinton with a young Muslim woman in her face berating her as the cause of the Christchurch massacre…. say what?
    All the things Michael is thinking this morning deserve thinking on… IMNSHO

    i learned a new term today…. But dial… My daughter was going thru airport security at 6 AM and her phone somehow dialed us, her son and her best friend… I know, it’s not new, but i’m up here in the mountains where we don’t get cell phone service and late to the party… How does a phone do that?

  15. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    How can you say Trump gave license? I gave the story of my grandmother – and this was while Trump was still in knickers.
    You never, pre Trump, called anyone a beaner?

  16. Michael says:

    MLD,

    I was raised in one of the whitest places on earth and where racism against Mexicans was part of the fiber of the community.
    I repented of that evil a lifetime ago…and it was a real repentance because it is truly evil…

  17. Michael says:

    Em,
    Sometimes a phone in your pocket will call the last number dialed if you put any pressure on it…

  18. Michael says:

    Back to the assimilation point…
    I do think we have an issue today concerning shared concepts of a national identity.
    What does it mean to be an American?

    I suspect that it used to mean something to most that was far more vital than it is today…

  19. Kevin H says:

    Trump has given license to the ugly underbelly of hate and racism in this country to confidently and publicly make themselves and their beliefs known as they try to influence others to their cause. This underbelly had previously been shamed from publicly displaying itself, also resulting in less and less people holding such beliefs. Now the opposite effect is happening. The emboldening of white nationalism/supremacy is the most obvious development of this as we see the public marches and more and more people holding to the superiority of white culture or not wanting few or no immigrants to come into our country or calling for segregation, etc. etc. But it also has emboldened the hatred of some extreme leftists groups to counter the hatred they see on the right and spew their hatred toward Trump and anybody they choose to associate with him.

  20. Em says:

    Hmmm… I carry a flip phone with a minimum service for safety when i’m out and about… Old fashioned has some merit

    Could it be that the Nebraska flood is not getting the coverage it should because we have a strategic AFB underwater there now? Joining in the prayers for the folk dealing with the flood

    FWIW… #3 does no one understand the whys of the Constitution today? If we do away with the electoral college, i think it will be the beginning of the end of the “united” states – the calls to revamp our form of government has its roots in evil … IMO, that is
    #5 – amen

    Love the mental picture of MLD’s granny hollering out her kitchen window at the nazis… Thanks for the smile

  21. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Kevin H, as if hate groups have a social conscience and care how society view their action. LOL, Trump gave permission so now they are free to hate.
    Check crime statistics for the past 20 yrs including school, church and synagogue shootings. I doubt you will find an increase. This reminds me of the survey I saw yesterday. Millennial claim the live under the most pressure and stress in anytime in history. How the Heck do they know what other generations have seen and lived. This is identical to this conversation.

    Well, it’s in the mid 80s here today – time for me to practice my white privilege and take the grandkids on the boat.

  22. Kevin H says:

    MLD,

    I am only speaking to the generation of which I have lived. I was born 8 years after the signing of the Civil Rights Act. During my lifetime I have witnessed in our culture the reduction of both publicly avowed and privately held beliefs of superiority over or hatred of or antagonism towards those of a different race/nationality/religion/sexual orientation/culture/etc. It had become increasingly more of a taboo to speak such beliefs in a public fashion. There is no question in my mind that over the last couple years these things have gone in reverse, from both sides.

  23. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Kevin, I am not busting you chops, but the “Trump gave people permission to hate again” is such a fiction.
    I can’t think of a time since your birth that hate has not been rampant. If I had the energy I would get for you the list of synagogue and Jewish cemetery desecrations in the 20 yrs prior to Trump. A very large number.
    How about cops killing blacks? That number may have gone down since Trump.

  24. Michael says:

    I don’t believe it’s fiction at all.
    Yes, the hate was there but social structures kept it quiet.
    Now, these people feel empowered.
    I see it in all aspects of society, including the church.

  25. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    The issue is who gets reported for hate. If it can be tied to Trump, it runs several 24 HR cycles.
    What if it is liberal? Well let’s not name the Somali Congress lady by name in our opposition.
    Better yet, how about the politico from the non Trump side who just said a couple of days ago “you can be human or you can be white – but you can’t be both.”
    Is that a leftist dog whistle to do away with the non human whites?

  26. Michael says:

    If it didn’t get reported, how did you hear about it?
    Both sides are empowered in their evil…but one side is running the country now…

  27. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Michael – when was it ever kept quiet. The past 20 years has been nothing but legislation to declare almost everything hate speech and or attach it to crimes to make hate crimes out of everything.
    This has not slowed anything down as hate crime numbers have continually grown year after year these past 25 yrs.
    Why would you need to pass laws for something that has already been subdued?

  28. Michael says:

    I have no idea what you’re trying to say.
    I hate the terms “hate” and “hate speech”with a passion…
    It about prejudice and discrimination and contempt for the other.
    it’s always been part of American life, but now it has the endorsement of the Presidency.
    The far left are a bunch of insipid losers too…

  29. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    I didn’t say it didn’t get reported – that is how I did find it. My question is isn’t that hate speech and a dog whistle to kill subhuman whites?
    That is what has not been reported it does not fit the fiction that Trump is to blame for everything.

  30. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Well there is absolutely no common ground when one side holds the delusion that Trump endorses prejudice and discrimination. You have swallowed the propaganda hook line and sinker.
    You are the male version of the Joy lady on The View. When the Covington kids thing blew up, Whoopi asked why the left always jumps in and buys the false narrative all the time. Joy, jumped right in saying “because we hate this president so much and want him out of office.”

    This is the fiction you have bought into.

  31. Michael says:

    MLD,
    I only have a measure of expertise on one topic, that being border issues.
    His prejudice against and contempt for those people is not a delusion but something that will be a shame on this country forever.
    The propaganda on this issue is on his side only…

  32. Em says:

    Which is worse, the quiet approach with the “sincere,” but false demeanor of an Obama or the up front bluster of a Trump? For my part, i look to see if i can discern their end game….

  33. Jean says:

    What has anyone ever evidenced as a “false demeanor” of Obama?

    On the other hand, calling what Trump says as “bluster” is insincere at best. He actually implements policies and champions legislation that weakens our nation. He is way beyond bluster.

    Moreover, he’s what in the business and ethical world is called a “self-dealer.” This means that he promotes public policy that enriches himself and his family economically and financially. This is just starting to come out and will continue to come out as evidence is gathered.

  34. Em says:

    @ 4:31
    Well, then Jean, you have something to look forward to…. šŸ˜‡
    I am glad you see the best in people like Obama… They are, it seems, your future

  35. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    I must chuckle here. The “bluster” from the left here is that there is no such thing as policy differences – everything is good or evil and if you support the opposite of me – you too are evil by association.

    There are good policy issues to handling the border exactly the way Trump is doing it, with strong support around the nation without it being labeled as evil, prejudice or discriminatory. But this is what is done by several here.

  36. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    The charge of “self dealer” are the funniest yet. The Clintons and the Obama’s came to DC as the ordinary man – Jimmy Stewart like – and both left town billionaires.

    Come now, you must join me in the laugh šŸ™‚

  37. Em says:

    I am still snagged on the definition of economical vs financial

    But i did think that most businesses did their best to promote their own interests, so i’m working on that one also….. ?

    Thinking, thinking thinking…. šŸ™†

  38. Mud Man says:

    There’s a phrase, “what you see is what you get.”

    I personally think the people of the USA got exactly what they saw or see in the various Presidents and elected officials over the years. To make overly bold statements about the persona seen by the public just seems disingenuous to me.

    In general the people of the USA approved (or ignored) of:

    President Clinton’s affairs
    President Obama’s “change” and “progress”
    President Trump’s, well he writes and says a lot and the majority seems to say meh.

    Now name one President who didn’t become a wealthy man. Actually I’m happy for their financial success. I wonder how they spend it?

    I vote my conscience and then hold on; that’s all I can do.

  39. Mud Man says:

    OK here’s my opinion on the “wall,”

    “Tear down this wall.”
    Jun 12, 1987

    “And the sign said anybody caught trespassin’ would be shot on sight
    So I jumped on the fence and-a yelled at the house
    “Hey! What gives you the right?”
    “To put up a fence to keep me out or to keep mother nature in”
    “If God was here he’d tell you to your face, man, you’re some kinda sinner”
    Five Man Electrical Band 1971.

    I can’t help but hear the calls for “security” and then on the other hand wonder why people knowingly hire illegal immigrants, breaking the law, while calling for a “wall” to be built.

    The wall says a lot about who we are as a Nation.

    Who are we keeping out or possibly in?

    Just some random thoughts.

    It’s all yours MLD.

  40. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Mud Man,
    Harry Truman did not become wealthy. He left office, hopped in his car and drove home.

    The point is, why do they become wealthy. In the case of Clinton and Obama it was really bribes paid post presidency for services rendered during their presidencies.
    Look at the deals cut by the Clinton Foundation. Bill filled the coffers from national “donors” and Hillary on the international front from her time as Sec. State.

    The Obama’s, zero to a billion in less than 24 months. It’s like Jesus on his post resurrection victory tour through hell – but instead of collecting souls, the Obama’s have been collecting the gold.

    Personally I don’t care. I just offer it as a reality check to those who toss out Trump is a self dealer.

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