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  1. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    I didn’t see anything about this in my church newsletter, so it must not be as big of a deal as the internet makes it out.

  2. Papias says:

    Amen to #8.

    I also have concerns about Kanye, specifically in light of 1 Timothy 3:6 in the context of qualifications of elders:
    “He must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil.”
    Seems like every celebrity who becomes a Christian is propped up as leader.
    It isn’t a matter of qualifications, since it’s the Holy Spirit who gifts and enables, but Scripture seems pretty clear that new converts pose a risk to themselves and anyone following them.

  3. Xenia says:

    I am not too familiar w/ Mr. West but I did see that his wife and children were recently baptized in the Armenian Orthodox Church. May God protect this little family. They seem to want to follow the narrow way of Christ but it will more difficult for them than most. They’ve lived in the cultural gutter for most of their lives and it will take some time before they look presentable. My advice to them would be to lay low and find some other line of work but that’s not usually how celebrities think about things, they usually make a beeline for the spotlight. Well, God bless them and may they prosper as they begin their lives in Christ.

  4. Randy Davis says:

    That’s a sad commentary on Christianity today. What a mess. A lot of “celebrity ” conversions have been rubbed out by eager exploiter pastors. Remember Eldridge Cleaver? He converted 1972 and he was exploited immediately. I think they had him speaking at the Southern Baptist Convention. He became disgusted with evangelicalism and became a Mormon.

  5. Dan from Georgia says:

    My $0.02…when these celebrities convert, I seriously wish someone would take them aside (by force as most of them just have to be in the spotlight) and basically pull them out of the spotlight for A FEW YEARS or more to get them grounded in the faith. Like Randy Davis said, we are too eager to put them up, exploit them, and say “now sing a song for US!” and then lambast them when they fail to live up to our every little jot and tittle of our sects beliefs.

  6. pstrmike says:

    ” it’s because celebrity conversions somehow affirm their own choice…”

    I think that is definitely what moves some people. I wonder if it isn’t due to evangelicalism’s ear that is attentive to the rhythms of the world that is blended with the rhythm of their religious experience?

    I don’t get Evangelicalism either. The things that the rank and file seem to value makes little sense to me as it often appears antithetical to the calling of Christian discipleship. I just wish I could get comfortable with the theology of the different alternatives…. In truth, I can’t.

  7. Michael says:

    Pstrmike,
    Well said…because I agree… 🙂

  8. Em says:

    Good thoughts here…. from Michael on down through the comments so far 🙂

    i recall that Young Life’s original approach was to go into the high schools, make friends with the “popular” kids, the leaders inviting them to the evening home evangelistic meetings… i have no idea how many rooted and grounded young people were redeemed from those meetings… i suspect quite a few… That began in the 1950s i think and was effectual for a season – for a season only, but can you imagine what would happen if a Christian evangelist tried to enter a high school today?

    #6 made me smile as we just had a serious windstorm and the lawn was covered in a blanket of maple leaves…. extrapolated and off target? i know….

  9. Em says:

    could be a wheat and tares thing… what happens when the tares outnumber the wheat?

  10. bob1 says:

    There seem to be a fair number of converts (individuals in the public eye)
    to evangelicalism that wind up leaving for more solid ground. Malcolm Muggeridge, Dylan. Hank Hanegraaff. Josh Harris (who at least for now isn’t involved in any church) come to mind.

  11. Eric says:

    Kanye is not just another celebrity convert. There are a few things that make his case interesting. I read the article by his pastor friend about the gigs they’ve been doing – Kanye lines himself up a performance gig and gets the pastor to preach, which sounds like a good use of star power for the gospel, but interesting that the star is organising it rather than the preacher. That is consistent with KW being not just a performer/celebrity but a producer & puller of strings. I wonder to what extent he is being taught by Christian leaders.

    Reading his Wikipedia entry (I knew little about him until recently) it seems like his life has flown in many different directions and we shouldn’t be surprised if 2019-20 is his Christian phase before he goes in another direction.

    Celebrity is toxic. We’ve seen it make a mess of church leaders. Common celebrities routinely have divorces, drug problems etc. The best we can hope for a Christian celebrity is that they remain Christian and not do anything stupid, maybe let their star fade. To be a Christian is to recognise Christ as the star and not one’s self.

  12. Em says:

    “Celebrity is toxic. We’ve seen it make a mess of church leaders. Common celebrities routinely have divorces, drug problems etc. The best we can hope for a Christian celebrity is that they remain Christian and not do anything stupid, maybe let their star fade. To be a Christian is to recognise Christ as the star and not one’s self.”

    worth repeating … IMHO… again 🙂

  13. Eric says:

    While a few Christian friends a celebrating that a celebrity is currently a public Christian publishing gospel-laden songs, this writer argues that star power is unlikely to help the Church in the long run:
    https://www.eternitynews.com.au/opinion/jesus-is-lord-and-the-danger-of-fame-adjacent-christianity/

  14. Babylon’s Dread says:

    “Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war.”
    ‭‭Revelation‬ ‭19:11

    Follow on Kanye – grace to you and peace from God our Father and from our Lord Jesus Christ.

  15. MM says:

    All I know is is says, “you will know them by their fruit.”

    Singing songs or giving interviews about Jesus is just the first part. Now will he and his family walk the talk.

    Or which ground did the seed fall on…

    Not really very complicated.

    And in the end none of my business.

  16. pslady says:

    #10….Speaks volumes

  17. JoelG says:

    I heartily second pslady… #10 is a beauty.

  18. ContextIsKey says:

    Matthew 7:15-16 (NKJV) “Beware of FALSE PROPHETS who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?”

    Emphasis added.

  19. Reuben says:

    Kanye, author of the song “Jesus Walks”, is an attention whore. He is rejected by his ENTIRE community of musicians for his hysterical MAGA stance, and then he dropped that, now it’s Jesus. People need not be any kind of excited about this conversion, he just needs to be in the headlines, and it worked.

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