Truth Wins Out

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  1. Em says:

    good news

  2. Alla hu-snackbar says:

    smile 🙂

  3. Nonnie says:

    So GFA has been called out for their robe and ring kissing, and money problems.

    Now I’d like to see men of reason call them out for the way they have treated women in their organization. Reading the testimonies from the former staff was really upsetting to me.

  4. Nonnie says:

    I forgot….Thank you Michael.

  5. Eagle says:

    Finally some good news! So grateful for Warren Throckmorton’s work. The church is blessed to have him.

  6. eddie dantes says:

    proverbs 24:17 — Do not rejoice when your enemy falls, and let not your heart be glad when he stumbles,

    That crowd needs prayer

  7. Tim - Doulos says:

    I’m sad the GFA leadership caused it to happen, but glad that the ECFA finally did what it did.

  8. Kevin H says:

    Michael, thanks for continuing to stick with this. The work that you and others and most especially Warren have done on this is paying off in accountability being brought to GFA.

    And yes, I totally agree that those who have supported GFA from the pulpit now, more so than ever, have a responsibility to let their congregations know what is going on with GFA.

  9. Kevin H says:

    The ECFA has a reputation of being soft with their members. It is rare that they terminate members for failure to comply to standards. In GFA’s case, it was not just one standard that they were found in failure to comply, but actually the majority of them. If this does not speak to how bad things are at GFA, I don’t know what would.

    And the other thing to keep in mind, the EFCA is addressing things only financial in nature. This does not even address all the other allegations of GFA of abuse of their staff and deceptive behavior towards their staff and donors alike. Among other wrongful activity. I believe it is a depp dark hole as to how thoroughly corrupt GFA is. I do not think the majority of the GFA staff are at fault. In fact. many of them are probably victims. The problems originate with K.P. and the responsibilities reside with K.P. and other top leaders and the board members who failed miserably in giving proper oversight.

  10. Michael says:

    I’ll tell you why this is huge.
    Bloggers face a huge credibility problem and are easily dismissed by people like these.
    Now the show is on the other foot.
    We have been vindicated and now GFA and its celebrity board have to prove that they are not guilty as charged.

  11. Michael says:

    The biggest Calvary Chapel cash cows haven’t stopped support yet.
    I’ll be doing the research and calling them out by name in a prominent fashion.
    I’m sick of this.

  12. Dustmyblues says:

    Great. We’ve been giving to GFA for years and now this? Our former Calvary Chapel church was (haven’t checked lately) a huge promoter of GFA with many visits from KP Yohannon and annual visits from Gayle Irwin. Aargh…I think I’m going to be sick.

  13. Michael says:

    Dustmyblues,

    Your former pastor will be one of the first I ask if they have dropped support.

  14. Linnea says:

    My question is– what did CC get out of promoting GFA? In the words of a former CCABQ board member, follow the money.

  15. Michael says:

    Linnea,
    Excellent question…

  16. Nonnie says:

    “My question is– what did CC get out of promoting GFA?”

    I believe that CC pastors/churches believed that GFA would use the Missions Money from their church with great efficiency. KP always made a point of how “western missionaries” were too costly and he could take that same amount of money and support several Indian missionaries. That was a key point in his talks and he always reminded them about how money to him would go a lot farther than supporting an American missionary being sent to another country.
    I believe many pastors and mission boards believed him and trusted him.

  17. Col46 says:

    I agree with #17, he did put an emphasis on the cost of western missionaries and I believe most CC pastors were just like the supporters – believing the gospel was being spread.

  18. Kevin H says:

    Nonnie,

    I believe you are right about most pastors. Maybe even all of them started out that way. However, what makes you wonder is that when allegations started to come out and build against GFA, why did some dig in their heels in support of GFA. Especially for some of those who were really in the know. Heck Skip is on the board and Damian Kyle chose to join it in the midst of all the allegations. I believe that some of pastors were learning of the allegations even before they started becoming public.

    For those who were/are in the know, the question then becomes did they continue to support GFA because of a stubborn loyalty, or at that point were they benefitting in some manner by staying supportive? I don’t know what that benefit would be, but it does make you wonder.

  19. Nonnie says:

    Kevin H, agreed

  20. Erunner says:

    Driving today I tuned in KWVE, the CC radio station just as a program with K.P. Yohannan was beginning. I don’t know if he asks for funds at the end of each broadcast but it would behoove those in charge to look at pulling this program from their lineup.

  21. ChainsBroken2x says:

    According to a source who would definately know, GFA has already provided a response to the items in question by ECFA. My question is besides board members, who else has been given these responses? My guess is that GFA is providing their response to main stream Christian media in hopes of using them as their marketing tool hoping they will bail them out of this mess and be able to keep their donors. Most likely they are blaming their lack of transparency on “400% increase in persecution” and “can’t share much more because of security reasons” It’s no secret that it is harder for missions groups and NGO’s to work in India and other non-Christian areas. GFA is not unique in this matter. Since they view themselves as the “elite” they may feel like they are exempt from the ECFA standards and they want to simply say that ECFA doesn’t understand international missions. What arrogance!! The web of deceit continues to spin and spin.

  22. Fisherman says:

    Arrogance – I agree. I would be interested to see what GFA is saying to the reasons ECFA terminated them.

  23. openeyes says:

    My personal opinion is that KP Yohannon has exaggerated the persecution aspect in India for his own gain. There are pockets of it, yes, but over all of India? No. Millions of Indians go to church to worship freely on Sunday with no problem. These millions are never taken into consideration but the few cases of persecution are blown up. His actions in India actually encourage non-believers to look down on Christianity and foreign money. Are we cautious working in India? Yes. Should we be very secretive about work? No.

    I know of two recent stories of persecution that was reported by outlets that were in error. One was two people being in the wrong place at the wrong time who got killed, had nothing to do with them being Christian, and the other was a 72 year old nun that got raped. It was reported that it was Hindu extremists and it turned out to be a Muslim Bangladeshi immigrant. The later story was never corrected by Indian Christians but it did stir up the Hindus by falsely accusing them. Most persecution stories are not fact checked or even followed up upon by Christians in India. They merely take a person’s word for it at face value. I believe that more time should be taken to really get the truth of these stories. They also should be followed up on later to see what legal outcomes are.

    Take KPY’s persecution words with a grain of salt. It really just suits his agenda. If he was so very concerned with persecution here in India he would not be so high profile.Bashing Hindus and the Indian government like KP does is not a good way to reach the lost in India. These are people we are called to serve. Why say negative things openly about those that need the Gospel? KP acts more like an Indian politician than a Gospel worker. The politicians love to get their followers all fired by making them believe their religion is in some sort of danger. This gets them to rally around their favorite politician. Most Indians are more attached to their religion than they are to the laws of the land. This should be respected when talking to them about Jesus.

    Those that do have safety concerns are more low key but they still carry on with their work. They are cautious, not secretive. Big difference and I think KP’s view was all part of the brainwashing. Just my opinion. Religious persecution happens across all faiths at some time in India. They have passed laws about stirring up other religious groups because of past history. Telling uneducated, village people they must die for Christ is just more ways to get photo opts and stories. These people have no clue what they are signing up for but they are brainwashed just like the American workers were brainwashed by KP. Keeping Americans and Indians from talking to each other is all part of the plan.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_in_India

  24. Steve Wright says:

    I have stated many times that KP’s use of persecution as the reason for some of his actions is wrong.

    That said, I take strong issue with the above poster and what looks like an attempt to question persecution in the general sense and what shows I believe an ignorance as to what actually happens on the ground.

    Again, I write as one who personally knows (and have taught, broken bread with) those in India who have suffered terrible for Christ.

    Please ignore what “laws” may or may not be on the books. Laws are meaningless when deliberately not enforced.

  25. Em says:

    praying that, as the house cleaning progresses, the Church will take care to see that the folks who ARE working for Christ and those who ARE receiving help over there in India are not left without support…

  26. Dustmyblues says:

    Along the lines of follow the money, I think there’s possibly a quid pro quo with many pastors sending their products to be marketed by GFA in India. Books, tapes and sermons among other things, translated into the local language.

  27. Steve Wright says:

    Highly unlikely, if for no other reason than the plethora of languages spoken there and the relatively low literacy rates. Plus English is the closest thing to a national language there is anyway. But in the villages and areas where Christianity is going to be more likely to have acceptance, English is rarely known. I spoke through at least one, often two, and in one larger more regional conference THREE translators.

    Posts 17 and 18 are far more likely to be the case.

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